Been looking at for sale listings on this game for almost two years. I don't think I have ever seen one listed for lower than 4,500. I am sure sub 4k ones are out there, but that doesn't seem like an "all day long" kind of price. 1 out of 11 of the ones that come up in the market place is below 4k. Still, I think this game is a great value at even 4,500. Tons, to do, can be brutal, so it would stay a long time in most collections I am sure. Would love to get one at some point.