Wow, thats absolutley ridiculous.

Yeah I couldn't be happier, lots of crap means lots of stop and go would have killed the game.

This speaks volumes. Now I get it. Yellow brick road is more ur speed?

I can explain it. Who gives a shit? Is this what think about it? Buy a Scrabble board. Jesus man who cares what is in the game as long as its fun. My BK3 sits next to Maiden and yeah its pretty sparse in comparison but equally as fun so ur paying for fun not this BOM horseshit. I don't know what it cost to get the custom music but that was probably exspensive and well worth it, the game is amazing. Cool theme and great sound, fun and fast, probably my fav Stern.

So 60 old geezers who can't handle the speed or music of BK3 means its a flop?

Not sure where this dealer resides, but I have an idea.
Ad-Singlev03-DelBocaVista01 (resized).png

Or what, they are in threat of being dethroned by JJP? for my taste BK3 is just as fun well more so as theme matters than DI and a Pro costs quite a bit less. Might only be worth 4K to you but wheres this army of liked minded thinkers you seem to have as most people I know that buy from all manufacturers love the game.

JJP had to offer more for the money otherwise whats the point in going into competiton with Stern. Which they haven't even scratched the surface so I'm sorry ur probably a nice fella but the whole JJP being the top dog in terms of BOM and build quality blah blah blah sucks and if it was true after 4 games they would or should be in a much better position.

Isn't that 9K relative to the individual? Who decides what makes a pin worth 9K? Is it all BOM?

No its not

no there not

To you, why are u so bothered by this? you don't have to buy it. I don't nor will I ever judge a pinball machine based on materials. I said it before I haven't found a JJP game fun enough yet to buy and they are loaded but if I went by ur model then the hell will how much enjoyment it brings you just buy the game with the most crap. Ofcourse Stern would have to step it up if business was failing but thats not the case and its not as if JJP is a threat with this loaded BOM style approach.

To many people yes, is WOZ or JJPOTC or OKterfest worth that much. Not to me so but I don't care if other people buy it. What I see here is a few pinsiders who get irritated that people are enjoying the current Stern pins and its stopping Stern from making games in a way they want, well thats too bad and I much prefer open concept fast pinball, would not have enjoyed SW's half as much had JJP done it and made it a loaded stop and go fest. Stop worrying about how other people spend their money.

Well not much else to talk about when a great toy is lame to a few dickheads.

Wow what a suprise.

Ok. I like that.

In terms of BOM sure but fun? not so much and for me when it comes to a game its all about fun factor. nuff said.

Yes I am. For my taste its as if they made this pin custom for me. The God of War style animations, Thrash Metal soundtrack simple and fast with a cool theme, thats the honest truth. Couldn't care less if it sells like hotcakes or hardly at all, not even a minor concern that I'll take a loss upon resale and I never consider that when buying a pin. Me, I always tell the truth even when I lie.
tumblr_mc3bgephnT1rrvjloo1_500 (resized).png

Jesus man u are a broken record, a broken record of horseshit. The "final verdict" who cares how many pins sell? do u sell pinball machines? I don't thusly couldn't care less.

They did, to me anyway and thats all that matters. Do you believe JJPOTC or Wonka is a 6K to 9k value? I wouldn't pay 2K for either and not because the materials aren't there but they do nothing for me, theme wise or gameplay wise nothing. I mean I'm gald they were made for those who love them but just because the "value" or apparent value is there means jack squat.

Well I take that back I would buy it for 2K and flip for an 8K profit then buy a DP Pre.

No I think its the tedious repeating of the same crap over and over like a well oiled robotic machine. and yeah the shoes.

Yep, the sub forum checklist which for me now only includes Stern and All for general new release info. The Batch edit which is magical for termination of fluff threads that mean nothing to me and the fav option for quick access to important topics. Much happier, although I was pretty happy before.

Yeah it is, I debated and won. U just don't want to hear it as I never heard any response to my points.

This speaks volumes sir. I owned TSPP for quite a while and at that same price I'm taking BK3 all day long. Better theme for me, faster and more challenging gameplay, Music and SFX well nuff said. Now my view doesn't apply to urs and "everyone else" where somehow u know what they are thinking but u see thats the whole point, just because u think it does it make it so.

This same line again, let me tell ya I've played many EM's that brought no joy at all.

Wow, I'm all for video modes but pinball has never exceled in that field. Good video modes ok, what we have been given thus far, not so much.

Well we finally have reached a common ground. Love pinball but I've never been to a show nor have any desire to meet the designers.

Ahhh because they suck. Good day sir, I said good day.

I would crush you into a fine powder sir.

What? I did explain it. U go by BOM and resale value, I go by theme and fun factor. If WWonka was 4K as is I wouldn't buy it over an regurlar priced BK3 pro. Now I need you to talk me out of it lets just say. A theme I really like vs one that does nothing for me, gameplay that scratches me right where I itch and gameplay that for me is only great if I'm trying to jump start a vomit. Now I'm glad JJP made it, lots of folk love the theme and no doubt the gameplay so all good. What I surmise is that u think someone who buys anything that doesn't fall into ur justifiable value to dollar ratio is lying to themselves. Anyway lets debate.

U should read ur own posts more and if we go by up/down votes on comments seems you might be the dumb one fella. Not sure if u noticed but with the exception of a few JJP fanboys not too many pinsiders are agreeing with ur views on this. Point Hazoff.

Oh I'd show, and my outfit for that event would be the stuff of legend. I would wear a hat so large it would be wearing its own hat. Point Hazoff.

Yeah I would that wasn't the point, I would sell it for profit. Is the level ur playing on that you think I can't grasp the difficult concept u have put forth that buying an expensive item cheap and selling for big profit is the smart move? Point Hazoff

Rinse and repeat, more genius. Because Stern didn't put enough in ur mind into this game the value isn't there and its fact. Let me ask u this what is ur formula for value when it comes to pinball? Point Hazoff

Wow, ur making this real easy. I don't hate JJP hope to own one if they make something I like but up till now I haven't been able to get into any of the themes, which is important to me. Does that matter in terms of value? Point Hazoff

Who gives a shit. Point and match. I can't believe I just used scoring from tennis for this.

Its the value damn it, can't u see that? I mean its a fact Jack. Put a BKSORLE next to Wonka and its obvious isn't it. Wonka is better cause it has the value. I mean r u out of ur tree sir.

If it wasn't for pinheads like that this site would lose 90% of its appeal. Its my duty both here and in everyday life to rebutt and destroy the weak minded who tend to know less about the facts of their own side of the arguement they propose than I do and thats where the real fun begins, whether it be pinball or religion or politics, history, space, nature which am I well versed abroad its one of the great joys in life. Let them get away with nothing and they won't, not on my watch. Good times. watch and u will see he will regurgitate the same garbage over and over with nothing more to say, "Value isn't there and thats a fact" brilliant.

wasting resources? come on. what else is there to discuss, how to change something that can't be changed? Its was over a long time ago in this thread and that would have been a good time to stop reading, its gone in the only direction it could. The whole thread is shit. Is the toy lame, what other possible reason is there for this thread than for us well known jackasses to get into pissing contests? Look, me and you are about to have one. and I've been drinking alot of apple juice today. U will lose, don't worry its boring me now so I let u get back to those valuable resources here on pinside.
you-will-lose (resized).jpg

If by garbage u mean damn fun then I'm right with ya.