Why does it matter if he doesn't like it and you do? People can like different things.

Great toy!

Poll should read “Yes” or ‘NO WAY!’

With the flail on one side and the shield on the other...I think it's pretty cool actually.

If you want to complain aboot no shot depth/variety in the layout maybe but that BK...he's alright in my book.

Layout is pretty boring and incredibly right flipper dominant, but the toy is great. Looks cool, spinning flail, shield that moves up, down & kicks back. What more do you want, a real peacock feather? It has that too!

the BK3 toy has no arms and no legs.

all right, we'll call it a draw.
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I never said I hate it. I’ve said it’s lacking and disappointing given how barren the rest of the game is. And that a majority of the people I have discussed it with have similar feelings.
I have also said that I think the game is fun.

The Black Knight pinball is lame overall. But if we're talking about toys I'm like what toys, you get two plastic see thru images and that it... worst effort I've ever seen by ANY pinball company. I predict this game will be selling for about $3500 to 4k within 12 months because what radom person just wanting a pinball game in their basement would pick this thing?

They want a themed pinball game, and this is just weak! They should have made this game the second coming of MM, but instead they gave us the cheapest game they could possibly make. If you ask me Stern is going downhill and fast...

There are too many pinball companies right now, and if Deep Root does something amazing, people are going to get super picky, which is a good thing honestly. Stern can and should step up their game because what is Beatles, or Munsters, total let down, which is why no one wants to buy one.

I don’t get it, Black Knight is one of the only toys which is so interactive with the ball!

Two ball paths can be blocked, the ball can be accelerated or whacked backed towards also by the flail...

I can’t name many games with one toy that has so much influence on the gameplay?!

And this is why I have posted in several different threads about the matter. I want to be part of a growing voice of pinball enthusiasts to help dissuade Stern from continuing down their current path. If I wasn’t such a big fan of Stern’s I wouldn’t be talking about this.

I disagree that the Black Knight interacts with the ball at all. The standup target in front of the Knight interacts, as well as the completely detached shield and flail. The black Knight just sits there. The flail and the shield in no way feel like they are a part of the Knight himself. Obviously this is my personal opinion.

The BOM on my 3rd place trophy would rival the Black Knight.

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Stern has conditioned us to accept these barren games. People are literally creaming thier pants over the feather that's on the helmet and The pinball podcasters literally cant shill this game enough. The black knight looks like it came from five below. I'm literally scratching my head how someone can look at the prem/le playfield and say this is worth $7.5-9k

great toy on an average pinball

This.

If they had just put the FP2 ramp in the left shot instead of the VUK and had it loop behind the BK to drop down the right orbit for a loopable shot, the Pro would be a lot better to play and look at. Right now the toy and rules are awesome, haven’t played the Prem, but the Pro is just a vanilla layout.

Competition is good for Stern (and thus, good for pinball, and good for us). I guarantee they still wouldn't have LCD screens in their games if not for WOZ.

It is my hope that Black Knight SOR goes down as the last of the "Street Level" Stern games.

Wow, thats absolutley ridiculous.

I think they could have done more with it.

It is a well implemented toy

I think the knight toy is pretty cool. It's for one very interactive with the moving metal flail, moving shield and two it's a molded toy that also lights up. As far as toys go it's one of Stern's most interactive toys to date.

My main issue with the game is that there's very little else on the pro, the premium upper playfield looks odd with a giant chunk of metal as a ball lock, the constant heavy rock music can become mind numbing, and there doesn't appear to be a lot of modes.

Yeah I couldn't be happier, lots of crap means lots of stop and go would have killed the game.

This speaks volumes. Now I get it. Yellow brick road is more ur speed?

Why does stern and everyone else seem to call it a flail?

-A flail is a weapon consisting of a striking head attached to a handle by a flexible rope, strap, or chain.

Shouldn’t it be called a double sided mace?

Think it is more lame to ask the question.

I agree with this part of your statement.

I always walk away with the feeling the Toy's head should move in some way, it would really pull in the movement of the arms and create a better illusion.

I think when you call a simple magnet a 'toy' that's closer to lame. The BK is interesting looking, upon first glance someone would see it and think it was worth dropping some coin to see what it does. At the same time it's a simple mechanical design, which for a manufacturer translates into relatively inexpensive to manufacture and support.

So it balances the tightrope nicely. There's something there for the player and something for the business. So in that sense no, I don't think the toy is lame, I think it's smart.

I think its a step up! A Fine toy, with Good use of it in Game Play!

With that, however, I do wish there was more toys on the playfield for my taste, but enjoy the game well enough
to play outside of my home, at the Lounge.

I dont see the staying power in my home collection.

The toy is awesome the pin is not.

Steve stated he wanted more movement of the Knight, but the required mechanics versus the Knight's size was a no go.

Fascinating!

Can you give me a summary? Thanks!

It's a fantastic toy it has a great sculpt and interacts with ball windshield two very cool ways the shield and flail.

Thank you so many JJP fans seem to think a game loaded with magnets is a game loaded with toys

LAME? No.

Could be better? YES! But "could be better" applies to just about all toys on Sterns over the past several years IMO.

I dont know why people complain of the music, I think its awesome.. rock on.

Why are "awesome" and "lame" the only two choices? For me, it's somewhere in between.

I got super bored playing the pinball, but as far as a toy goes, I thought the black knight was super cool. Highly detailed, interactive, aggressive, great implementation IMO.

I'll take an interactive toy that has two separate interactive functions over another rehashed bash toy with a magnet any day of the week. The BK toy is cool in my book.

I'm loving the game. I purchased the premium. We shall see how long it lasts but early indications are that I'm keeping this for a long time. The toy itself is really well done. There are multiple interactions with the ball. Kids walk up and love to see the Knight. On top of the interactions you have the voice of the knight that interacts with you as well. I'm trying to think of a toy that interacts with you more than this one, but can't. Some games have multiple toys that together interact with you more, but for a single toy, I think its done very well. My biggest gripe is that I use the right flipper way more than the left. Whether you think that game is barren or not, this game is just plain fun to play. To each their own. I like it.

This toy rocks. I cant think of a single stern toy in the last 5 years that's beats this one. Am I wrong?

Aerosmith toy box and Munsters lower playfield are both good in my eyes

I don't dislike it, but lets be real here... it's a lit doll with color changing LED's and a fancy feather thingy holding a spinning motor.

Let's be real here, it's a box with balls in it.

Let's face it, Thing is a just motorized metal slab with a magnet attached and some window dressing to make it look like a hand!

Let's be real, rudy is just a bunch of solenoids thrown together on a metal frame with plastic in front to make it look like a mechanical man

Let's be real, everybody hates everything here and nobody will ever be happy with anything.

I hate pinball

You've come to the right place baby!

It's gonna suck when Deep Root starts churning out the most awesome stuff ever and we have nothing to bitch about any more.

Hey I've heard things aboot them from them.