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Is stern evil????

By TwoHeartedMale

5 years ago


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    “Is stern evil???”

    • Yea, that wasnt cool guys. 76 votes
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    • Nope, stern can do no wrong. 30 votes
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    • Hear no evil, see no evil. Its pinball baby! 83 votes
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    #175 5 years ago

    Stern isn't evil. They aren't trying to be evil, but they house some huge egos in that company. They can be mean, petty, vindictive, and ruthless, but it's all just sprouting from bloated egos, not a desire to just outright do harm. And it's not all of them, not even most of them, but a few of them with influence that really make some calls that can make dealing with them awful. Here are a few things they do that can piss people off and get threads like this going. None of this is rumor, it's all substantiated, so before blindly defending any of it, know that it's all real.

    They aggressively buy up licenses purely to deny others the chance to use them. Call it good business or whatever, but it's obviously going to rub some people the wrong way, but it's fully in their rights to do it. Most companies that could afford to hold a license portfolio would probably do the same.

    They fine distributors and partners for being critical of Stern. If a distributor is upset by anything, and they say, "man, working with Stern can be hard sometimes" online, they can draw a fine for that, especially if Gary is aware of it.

    They threaten people. This is probably the closest thing they do to what someone can call evil, I guess. But they'll reach out and make direct threats to you or to those connected to you. It's some serious poor man's mafia garbage, but they do it. Make some comments they don't like, and it won't be too long before Jared is sent to reach out to you to let you know you're in danger of being blacklisted by the company. They'll say that they want to review your content before publishing, just to make sure it's cool with them. They might even call an employer and ask that you be fired. Oh wait, they did do that. Not sure if they still do, but they have.

    They strong arm part suppliers to pressure them not to do business with other pinball companies. They'll threaten to pull orders if the supplier is caught dealing with another company. Again, this is within their rights. Lots of companies ask for or demand exclusivity, especially in manufacturing. Like chasing licenses, it's going to irritate other industry members, but that's not really of any concern of the common pinball player.

    On the other hand, they're getting better. Putting Zach Sharpe over marketing and pushing Jody off stream has helped their image. Zach is cool, has a good sense of humor, and doesn't fly off the handle and start making threats on live streams to fight people. That's been a great move towards being a more thoughtful company in many ways.

    While Stern continually pushes the envelope on cost cutting in materials and QC, they do try hard to make things right when stuff goes wrong. When they need to help a customer who has a warranty claim, they do genuinely worry about making them happy.

    Stern has also increased their support of events, charities, and the pinball community as a whole. Just look at prizes over the past couple of years from major events and it's common to see that Stern supported the event. Their partnering with Marco and other large distributors to get A TON of games to shows has been a real help to event attendees who don't want to wait 45 minutes to play the latest release.

    You can weigh out the pros and cons of Stern being the top dog in the pinball world. But however you weigh it out, calling them evil is definitely way too far. Jokes aside, Stern is getting better in some ways, but there are always going to be rough edges when the egos come into play.

    #212 5 years ago
    Quoted from underlord:

    Well Spooky better not blabbermouth about any Jaws licensing when going that route.

    With Spooky, they had already been declaring it a dream theme well before they were a pinball company. Their podcast predates their manufacturing by quite a bit. Ever since they started making games, they've kept quiet about what they're licensing to build a game.

    #217 5 years ago
    Quoted from soren:

    So, the new movie is a bit of the problem for Spooky. Sure it would have been nice for them, had they landed the license, with some general Godzilla buzz. But, I still assume they would have themed off the Japanese movies. Maybe even the old ones only.

    Those are separate licenses, I believe.

    #225 5 years ago
    Quoted from fosaisu:

    One question here:
    Is there any evidence that Stern, having paid good money for the Godzilla rights, doesn't intend to make it? And if so, will someone please tell the rest of us what it is already?!?
    Unless what everyone means is that Stern's planning a pin based on the new Godzilla movie and is covering their bases so that a competing Godzilla project doesn't pop up, in which case that seems like a reasonable business move and not particularly scandalous.

    It's fine to buy a license, but to barge in on someone else's meeting is extremely disrespectful and unprofessional. But hey, "that guy" has never been too concerned with being anything other than a jerk.

    #249 5 years ago
    Quoted from BudManPinFan:

    It’s a bunch of sensational posts with zero evidence to back them made by people with axes to grind and zero understanding of how business works. I do feel bad for Charlie that he didn’t get the license since it was a dream theme for him, but he’s not the only one that’s ever lost out on a license. If Stern see’s value in a license and think they may want to produce it in the future they have every right to try and obtain it, even if another company has previously expressed interest. With the number of new companies making pinball machines, Stern has probably decided they need to be more aggressive going after desirable licenses.

    You literally don't know a thing, so stop claiming others don't. Stern doesn't have the cleanest hands.

    Ugh, fine...let's just get it out there. Most of Stern Pinball is fantastic. But Jody Dankberg. Yes, JODY DANKBERG OF STERN PINBALL, is a total jackass and the industry would be a better place without him. He's an egotistical jerkwad. He's the main source for the hate Stern pinball catches behind the scenes, and he was a big part of the sour attitude fans had for Stern for years.

    Gary can be rough and he can let his ego get out of control as well, but Jody is the real bad apple. Sucks that he can't be rooted out. Yeah, I know you see this Jody. Hi, buddy. You're awful. You know you deserve to hear this. You know it better than most anybody. But we know too.

    Edit: Google keywords to make sure when he's googling himself he sees it: jody dankberg, jody pinball, jody stern, jody dankberg pinball stern, stern pinball jody dankberg, jody dankberg jerk

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    #267 5 years ago
    Quoted from zucot:

    Those that are in the know understand the challenges behind the scenes. Every one of these machines that comes out has been built on the blood, sweat, and tears of a small army of people.

    Those that aren’t love to run their mouth on Pinside.

    I know things firsthand. Do you? No? Then quit it with the accusations. Liking a pinball machine doesn't give you any special insight.

    #270 5 years ago

    It should not be ignored that people are much, much happier with Stern today than a couple of years ago. A lot has improved.

    #280 5 years ago
    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    Also, LPs are way cooler than cassettes.

    Both are impractical. Both companies are making them available in digital form, thank goodness.

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