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Well I was gonna keep it a secret, but since you asked nicely:
Yes, stern is blacklisting people. And if you aren’t nice, YOU could be next!!!
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Quoted from Krupps4:If Stern isn’t taking any of these alleged actions, I’m surprised they haven’t mentioned anything or issued some kind of statement. Seems like the obvious thing to do, but I’m not in the line of work that would make those types of decisions.
Are you out of your mind?
You don’t respond to stupid “when did you stop beating your wife” questions.
If stern issued a statement refuting every moronic allegation made against them on pinside they’d have to bring in about 20 communications consultants.
Quoted from porkcarrot:I have no idea what is going on with this, and it sounds like most people really don't. Which goes back to my original point that this is all speculation and no one has provided any proof that Stern had anything to do with anything.
It's complete bullshit with zero evidence but people think Stern should be issuing a press release to combat it.
I kinda thought fewer podcasts was better but now I don't know. Before, you had one guy telling everybody what to think and a couple thousand people here just followed whatever he said and it became their opinion. Now, the inmates are running the asylum and everybody is coming up with their own crazy horseshit. So instead of one line of opinions/conspiracies, we got a whole clearinghouse.
As a social experiment it's pretty fascinating.
Quoted from TreyBo69:To be fair to Stern, they should have those pre-announcement conferences calls with their distributors. It's a professional courtesy and a good business practice because the distributors need to know what they're about to sell, because their customers will be calling instantly.
What I think is a mistake is having that call a few days before the actual announcement. It could be done in the morning and the announcement posted that afternoon. That way the leaks are minimized and a bunch of people aren't trying to dissect and draw false conclusions based on low res photos.
This is the way they've always done it because it's the way they've always done it.
If they really want to end the leaks they should really stop. I don't see what antiquated purpose this practice serves any more. Thanks to my pal CJ for convincing me of this.
Quoted from Deez:Yeah. Directly from Stern.
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Stern wants launch parties to be IFPA.
What's the problem? Competitive pinball players want to attend IFPA events, not bootleg non-IFPA events, and there's only so many launch parties to go around. Allowing non IFPA events to be "Stern Army" endorsed dilutes the brand.
Quoted from skink91:Wait... antIFPA... antIFA?? Antifa??
Lmao !
Quoted from Deez:The issue is that Stern is missing a segment of the fan base that doesn't enjoy playing with hyper competitive players. I wouldn't call playing pinball for fun bootleg. Isn't that the whole point of the game? To have fun?
You can’t have fun without having a launch party or being a private in the Stern Army?
You don’t need stern’s approval to have a “launch party.” Yeah you may not get a few translites but nobody really wants those anyway.
I have a Star Wars one I’ll be happy to send you for your next launch party.
Quoted from DS_Nadine:I don't assume that I'm being intentionally lied to.
And again, while I notarially certify that you're the most bitter person on the interwebz, you're usually right.
But it's funny how you yourself are "bittering" all over the place, but yet always seem to run to Sterns defense if someone else is.
(While the gist is still right, as always, but your attitude changes. )
Didn’t mean to piss in your sauerkraut...but this seems really unfair! The masses are seeing black ops from stern and I’m the “bitter” one?
Come on Pal I’m happy as a fuckin’ clam compared to this grumpy ass lot!
Bitter must mean something else in Germany. I had Bitterballen in Belgium and it was vile!
Quoted from majicman110:So what about stern not wanting people to stream their games after they are released and out on location?
What about it?
That’s a bullshit rumor you made up and are spreading. Just start a podcast or YouTube pinball hot take channel. You are good at it, I can tell.
Quoted from Pinballer67:A certain company is angry and cares enough to directly come after people.
You think this is some random marketing guy making these decisions?
88 Pinsiders participating in this thread. Let's do a loose estimate and say multiply by 10 the number who are reading/lurking and don't want to post.
How many machines does this company sell? Soft sales, probably a few hundred. Hard sales, maybe a few thousand.
Many operators are offline or struggling in the current health crisis (and almost certainly more lockdowns of arcades to come with Wave 2, 3, etc). This leaves the HUO market as the current Golden Goose as it were.
Do the math: 900 readers of this thread is a significant chunk of the Target Market.
IMO, these moves restricting content and banning criticism in the media stink of generally declining sales to me. The timing of these moves, coinciding with the general collapse of Operator purchases of machines is uncanny. IMO, somebody with some power is concerned about sales and is scapegoating particular individuals because they believe these individuals are the cause of these decreased sales.
This is misguided and is just leading to decreasing customer loyalty and goodwill in the community.
We are not stupid. We know what's going on.
Pinsider autoerotic revenge porn fantasy math. We see this every stern bash thread.
“Well if you look at X, and multiply it by Y, then you get Z! AND THATS SERIOUSLY BAD NEWS for stern!!!”
So yes, once again, for the 789th time, Stern will be bankrupt in a month. If only they hadn’t dared to cross Cary Hardy!!
Quoted from majicman110:That cant be true! How does this video exist? I swear i just heard crazylevi claim that it was a bullshit rumor that i made up. Pretty sure this video isn't real.
Sorry. I will go back to starting my youtube channel and or podcast now
(I'm really good at it)
You don’t know what “evidence” means.
None has been provided.
You are simply spreading made up rumors based upon zero credible evidence.
Please start your YouTube channel. There is clearly an insatiable appetite around here for this kind of nonsense.
Quoted from majicman110:Ah but you don't know that it 100% isn't true, so to call it a "made up rumor" isn't correct either.
It is a rumor. That is the definition. If we know it is either made up or true, it ia rumor anymore.
Please go on a quest to have all rumors removed from pinside
Enjoy your 15 minutes of pinside Fame.
A “when did Stern stop beating its wife” thread is the easiest pop on pinside. But the glory fades. And you will soon feel the cruel emptiness of this reality!
Quoted from NPO:I was considering selling my Scared Stiff til I read all of this. Man, B/W for life.
Eight pages of talkie-talk, and here it is: Stern aint changing a DAMN thing until you people STOP buying new games.
Simple as that. NOTHING is changing - QC, internet tactics, social media influences - NOTHING - until this community locks down.
And that shit sure as fuck ain't happening anytime soon based on the TMNT threads, JJP circle-jerks and R&M selling out a year in advance.
I look at all of this and wonder who is more to blame: the drugee (this community needing its fix) or the dealer (Stern).
If only this were in podcast or YouTube hot take form maybe it would help change some attitudes but I’m sorry it’s just a lowly pinside post I’m gonna have to disregard this and order a Black Knight SOR.
Quoted from Hazoff:Smart move. Get the pro. Its an amazing game.
It rules!!!!
God bless Stern for continuing to crank out these top level machines one after another.
It’s almost as if they’ve been at this for decades!
Quoted from TreyBo69:That one doesn’t bother me nearly as much as the UV kit.
Mostly because it was clearly planned from the beginning, seemingly scrapped, and then brought back for an extra fee. That and the upside down is an iconic part of the show and it’s a very underwhelming implemented feature in the base game.
I still haven’t gotten over ghosting!!!
I love these rolling stern grievance threads. They really clear the air.
Quoted from TreyBo69:We get it, you love Stern and what they do.
“We get it” posts have no effect on me.
Sorry dude.
Now, let us explore the topic of dimpling...we can’t afford to let that get lost in this rolling grievance thread.
My take: I don’t like it!
Quoted from Darscot:The comparison to you and Sterns complete inability to understand feedback is good comedy. Birds of a feather and all that.
We get it dude. You all hate stern!
We get its are a two-Way street.
What you don’t seem to get is how awful most of the “feedback” here is. If stern “understood” all of the useless feedback it gets here, they’d be out of business in a week.
We get it. You all want stern bankrupt. We get it!!!
Quoted from Darscot:Ah the good old fall back of false equivalence and ranting hyperbole. Throw in some random "air quotes" and you are checking all the boxes of being in an indefensible position.
We get it. You are an expert.
Like when you told us stern hiring more software people wouldn’t help them get more code done. And then they hired more code people and more code got done.
We get it!!
What’s the point of this thread again? I don’t get it.
Quoted from Darscot:Ah if only you could understand the difference to trying to discuss a path to success and improvement and wishing failure. Please I would love to hear your expertise when it comes to software engineering. You can keep yelling that I am an expert like its in some way an insult or negative.
I’m not sure what a rolling List of off-repeated stern grievances has to do with whether or not stern is blacklisting people. Seems like whenever stern is brought up, the “path” leads to the same tired nonsense.
I don’t get it. You guys never get tired of repeating these grievance lists?
The fact that you guys only have ONE worn out playbook - regardless of what’s being discussed - is what invites mockery.
Do you get it?
Quoted from TreyBo69:The purpose is to discuss Stern and how they deal with leaks.
I'll admit, I shouldn't have gone off the Stranger Things UV kit tangent in that one post. But you've gone off on way more tangents and have dismissed a ton of interesting conversation. All to put in your two cents that you don't like the conversation or find it interesting, but can't be bothered to write anything meaningful to that extent...yet you still have the addiction to chime in regardless.
Yes, I have an addiction to responding to posts on a message board, where the point is to read and respond to other messages.
I think I get it now.
Man that Star Wars topper. What a ripoff, am I right?
Quoted from fosaisu:Are you suggesting that Levi's secretly in on the great Stern boycott?!?
How else are we supposed to get them to stop producing the cheapest (by far) commercially available full-featured pinball machines with the most popular themes, 5-7 times a year, for all of us to enjoy?
Someone has to flip the script here! BOYCOTT!
Hope I don't end up on the black list.
Quoted from iceman44:Stern just keeps making great games and selling the shit out of em Levi
I know.
AND IT MAKES ME SO GODDAMMM MAD!!
Why can't they be like the other 20 pinball companies and release 1 game every 1.5 years collectively?!
Quoted from SLCpunk2113:Remember when this thread was about how Cary Hardy threw a tantrum about things he made up in his head and then once his paranoia subsided he admitted it wasn’t real and asked for the thread to end but then all his fan boys pivoted to bitching about stern for three more pages. Pinside sure is cool.
Remember those splitting Aerosmith cabinets?
WHY DO YOU HATE US STERN?!?!
Asking for a friend: is there a merit badge for contributing to Stern Rolling Grievance greatest hits threads?
Quoted from DS_Nadine:You mastered the art of selective reading.
Look if you have nothing to contribute please do not post.
Surely you have some stern QC or pricing grievance completely unrelated to imaginary Stern blacklists that you can offer?
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Stern really needs to blacklist some of you guys or this “dimpling” thing might become common knowledge!
Quoted from iceman44:What? Stern isn’t setting up a Chop zone for pinball
It‘s Really insane what resonates to some people here as potentially smart business decisions.
If pinside ran stern they’d be outta business in a month!
Also, blacklist!
Quoted from Dr-pin:So, maybe they should focus more on buissness decisions and less on who get to say what on pods etc?
Nice! Brought it back to the original post! Well done.
(Again I hate to remind you tho there’s 0.0 evidence that stern gives a shit about podcasts or has done anything to harm podcasters or “blacklist” then. It’s all paranoid fantasy and this thread contains no evidence or substance, and the OPs 15 minutes of stern-bashing fame is over)
Quoted from DNO:Remember, he doesn't have any Sterns, except that awesome Metallica, and half-million worth of B/W and remakes.
Where exactly are the 75-100 awesome games?
BTW, just sold a Ghostbusters, had to add $700 and got a brand new TMNT. GB looked great after making $10k+ on route, but yeah, shoulda bought another Medieval remake cause I'm afraid of the clearcoat boogeyman!
Another satisfied custy
Without stern the pinball industry would be dead.
Blacklist!
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