While I won't share my CC info I can assure you My opinion was Not funded by Anything free not even a discount! If I believe in a product I am more than happy to share my experience. Both in the game thread (club?) of interest or the product topic thread. I will however also share if I do NOT like a product in both the same way! This product for Me was a great upgrade which I and my family enjoy. I doubt the owner of Pin Stadium can stop Anyone from posting positive Or negative feedback in any thread was my only point. Yes I do agree when I am not interested in something I do dislike when its the new Trending topic or they derail a topic thread to pitch but I try to respect that that is That individuals right to share how they feel in an open forum. When the Seller starts bombing sales pitches thats a Totally different story. From what I have seen, (though I haven't searched) Scott and PS only Responds to topics that inquire about his product. Rarely does he Start the topic other than his own. All good and I respect your opinion.

What makes you so sure? I haven't been comped and it's an unbelievable mod in my opinion.

I think when people are referring to spam, they're talking about this....

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/woz-fan-club-members-only?tu=pinstadium

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/acdc-premium-club?tu=pinstadium

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/dialed-in-owners-and-fans-club?tu=pinstadium

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/alien-pinball-official-game-thread?tu=pinstadium

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/the-lord-of-the-rings-journey-begins-members-club?tu=pinstadium

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/iron-man-owners-club?tu=pinstadium

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/rob-zombies-spook-show-international?tu=pinstadium

This shit goes on for days. I got tired of pasting them all. That is the definition of spam and it is seriously annoying.

Finally someone states the obvious. Thank you. It's absurd how this product is pushed by seller in every fricking thread.

This rendered pic was over the top IMO. Rendering a photo of what your product "might" look like in a game that hasn't even been released yet? Give it a rest dude. Pushing your wares all over this site is a turnoff.

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Why not just play with the lights on in the room then? All of these pictures it is pitch black with before and then after the playfield is completely illuminated. Sure the colours and what not are more visible, but then turn on the room lights and play. I wonder how many star trek owners bought these because their playfield was too dark, forgetting they have the black out mod installed

I got a second wind guys, here's some more.....

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/the-shadow-club?tu=pinstadium

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/aerosmith-owner-then-walk-this-way?tu=pinstadium

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/mmr-owners-club-all-things-mmr-discussed?tu=pinstadium

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/twd-club-only-walkers-not-welcome?tu=pinstadium

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/cactus-canyon-p-roc-project?tu=pinstadium

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/metallica-owners-thread?tu=pinstadium

Even the LIONMAN thread couldn't be spared, lol....

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/lionman?tu=pinstadium

This is ridiculous.

Your observations are fair though in half your examples a bit biased. In over half the examples if you thread up a few posts the seller is simply responding to someone questioning or showing off his product. Kind of like letting ringing the salesmen's door. I won't side an opinion if that is good or bad as then I would be pushing the product. Totally respect your position and opinion. Sadly if you dislike a product in an open forum all you really can do is skim past it just like opinions mine included... They have a pretty hot product and I don't totally fault the seller for letting the world know it's out there. The Block feature would be the best forum source for avoidance.

Cinci boys rolling deep.

It's not pinstadium threads, it's all threads. The shit is annoying and if you can blow me if you think I'm not going to mention it.

Do you have to remove those light strips every time you need to raise your playfield? If so, then I am never going to buy pinstadium. I don't really care for the way they wash out the playfield anyway and make everything look the same so nothing stands out anymore. The last pin I did a 100% led conversion was my NBA Fastbreak and it turned out great, could play it with no lights on perfectly, just picked a good combination of comet leds strategically placed. No need for pinstaduim. I agree that it seems like this product is getting spammed all over pinside, it's very annoying, enough to make me not want to buy it ever.

Please, do wing on over to the DI thread and check out his pre/post picture, AKA The only dark DI in existence.

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/dialed-in-owners-and-fans-club/page/21#post-4038843

bwa....so bad.

And spammed all over Facebook. Ugh. Totally put off.

Yes you do and believe they are held on via magnets. I got to see these in my friend's games this past weekend and not for me.

But it's not just Pinstadium threads - it's every fucking game thread. He's posting in the Dialed In thread and DI has some of the best, brightest lighting of any modern pin. He's also posting all over the JJP forums too. It's spam.

Well I don’t look at those threads. Sorry. Again. Put him on ignore. Takes two clicks. Pointless to bitch about it imo. Or maybe send a polite PM asking him to ton it down? That wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world either.

There’s a problem with this solution however. Even if you block him you still have to sift through post after post responding to his spam. Eliminating pinstadium posts does not eliminate the entire problem.

He should keep everything contained in one thread so people that are tired of constantly trying to locate their balls on their drab and dreary Dialed In playfield know where to look to correct it.

Okay I don’t know what to tell you then. Maybe try my PM idea? It’s not like Scott’s unapproachable or unreachable. I doubt he will act adversely to constructive criticism if delivered in a respectful manner.

Back on topic...buying this mod is literally a no brainer! Best mod ever for sure.

Just as pointless for you to complain aboot the complainers...but you know that. Guess what, we aren't the problem, his spamming is.

We don't need you to tell us anything Chuck, maybe you should mind your own on this one.

Companies need to have a dedicated thread for product to read or ignore.
It's not our responsibility to regulate/moderate every thread the next time a merry mod maker comes along.

Everyone knows when you take a picture of anything without the flash turned on the picture turns out like crap. Pins that look fine and perfectly well lit up in "person" will look dark and terrible when a picture is taken in the dark with the flash on the camera turned off. My MET Pro looks great in the dark when I play it, I can see everything perfectly and the lighting is great. If I take a picture with a good camera with the flash off I know it will look very dark in the photo. The problem is the manner in which these pictures are being taken. I'm not trying to slam the product in any way, just saying that the way the "before" pics are portrayed are misleading to me.

Only because it seems like the seller is getting lambbasted, you are correct. I have a MET Pro and no way does it need the PS lighting. In fact Many games don't need it. That doesn't however make it a bad product? Nor does it mean I or the hundreds of buyers are foolish for buying them? Yes he has pushed his product a Bit much beyond the comfort of the forum but it really is a great product for those game rooms like mine that have Some darker themed games and poor to no lighting that creates more glare than play. Yes I could buy $300 glass but this was my choice and it does work. For Me. Just an observation to prove my point, I have not seen a Single post of someone who Purchased and Used his product that didn't like it? Yes I Absolutely agree with Everyones point on him considering staying zoned in his product thread. No question. I think he just has a very useful (for some!) product that crosses over the Universal catagory and hasn't found a way to market it in a universal method. I'm actually a bit jealous I didn't think of it! Or Pinblades!! Seems so simple and for the right title they just fit. YMMV!

Just installed my new and first PinStadium light set, thought I would post my review. It took about 30mins only because I wasn't 100% clear on what to connect too for flasher. I pinged Scott by email and he replied within minutes and walked me thru it. Overall it was an easy install and easy to connect to wifi. There were a lot of preconfigured color/patterns to choose from. I chose pretty much a white and light yellow as my WoZ was close to unplayable in a dark room other that aiming for a colored light.

I am attaching before and after pictures. Taken with the glass on, no flash and on HD on using my iPhone 6.

Full disclosure I added the green at the back right and the red between the flippers a while back. I also added a few flood lights that I have turned off for the pictures.
Also JFYI I also have no affiliation with PinStadium whatsoever.

I bought the full package with GI and UV Glow flashers tied to the witch going up and down. The UV Glow is cool looking in hind sight I think a red flasher to match the smoke witch may have been a better choice but the UV still looks good. It is pretty bright and I must confess I doubt it would be a good choice for all pins but defiantly cool for the dark ones. It brought my WoZ back to life and I am grateful for that as it has sat unplayed for almost 2 years.

I will be buying a few more, the price was a little high for the full package, but not unreasonable as it seems custom designed boards with wifi integration and a custom made iOS app had to be built to support it. I'm in IT so I can appreciate how much R&D must have went into this.

For those on the fence I would say buy with confidence. Its a cool light set that is totally adjustable brightness and color.
Easy to install and breathes new life into dark games.

~Blair

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Looks great. Dam I love the witch Mod. Looks like the list is closed unfortunately. Does that tornado thing light up?

Your "before" picture proves my point though. "In person" the woz that I used to own never looked that dark. It's just the picture you took that makes it appear that it is darker than it actually is. My WOZ was so bright I had to go into the settings and turn down the brightness, on the maximum settings it was just too much for my eyes. Installing Pin Stadium on a WOZ would be total overkill, in my opinion. Lighting has to be balanced, too much bright ambient light washes everything out. I think people have to separate the photos from what it looks like in real life. In the end, it's all subjective, Pin Stadium is just not for me.

I took mine with a DSLR in manual mode so I could ensure fair and balanced conditions. But you have to be the only person I've ever heard say WOZ was too bright from the factory. I don't like my games super bright and have good control of the lighting in my game room but what was good for my other games still left WOZ too dark to see the ball reliably - and it's hard enough without being handicapped by that. Just look at how many people put lit Winkie targets in to add light to that upper part of the playfield! Multiple mods for putting LED strips on the apron and spots on the slings are common on this game as well so perhaps your pupils are extra large or your eyes are just super sensitive to light. I can accept the "it's not for me" and calling Scott out for over-promoting his product on this site but calling WOZ too bright, or even bright enough, makes me question your opinion.

I never had a problem seeing the balls on my WOZ, even in the dark. Any camera, no matter what it is, can only take a picture as good as the lighting conditions. I can tell that the picture was not taken with the flash on. Turn on the cameras flash and the picture would turn out completely different, that's all I'm saying. WOZ never looked too dark for me, not even in a pitch black room. It looked awesome. If I remember right, there were a lot of settings in the software to adjust the lighting in the game, I just felt it was too bright for me, but again it's subjective, everyone is different. I purchased the lighted winkie target light too, but I never installed it, I could see the drop target just fine. I just passed it along to the person that bought my game. People also told me STTNG was too dark, when I did the led conversion on that I felt the lighting was perfect! I think in most cases just adding a couple extra spotlights on a game is sufficient. I wouldn't install any product that I'd have to continuously remove to lift my playfield up, just a personal preference.

Just my opinion. I think Pinstadium Lights are great in alot of applications. I have taken the time to evaulate the benefits of installing these kits on a pin. In certain applications it was a huge improvement in both astetics and functionality. Perhaps I would not go as far as saying every game needs one unless the ambient lighting in the room is problematic. We are faced in many locations with this problem. Very low light room with a factory set dim pinball machine makes it hard for our customers to get immersed into the game. When we have pins on location many players are first timers. We need all the help we can get to draw new players to our games. This mod we have seen increase revenue and customer satisfaction out on location. That is a pretty big deal for us. Also I have taken the opportunity to install Pinstadium on some of my personal games and I must say with the proper lighting adjustment through the app it really adds something speacil to the playing experience. I have seen alot of postings promoting Pinstadium Products. As a business owner myself I know how challenging it is to sell a new product. I have had the opportunity to speak with Scott the owner on a few occasions and it is easy to see his passion for his product. He has spent a tremendous amount of time and money creating this lighting system. This is not a simple 2 strip led mod by far. As a manufacture of Amusement products I can look at this from a different perspective and confirm the research and development costs that must have occured to design this kit must have been outrageous. That said this product is not something that will be selling on store shelves in Wallmart anytime soon. All of the hard working Pinball parts guys spend a great deal of time and money for what they all know will never sell millions of units. This is a relatively small industry. Manufacuters of these types of products usually do not do this for the money they do it for the love of the hobby. If they can turn a profit on these items granted that is always a plus. But I believe a big part of why they do this is because they want to contribute to an industry they eat sleep and breath. Pinball!!!

Yes he posts alot but it is a great product and how else is he supposed to get his name out there? Spend countless advertising dollars you will never get back because the market is relatively small. He needs to post to share his product with the community. If he did not do this I would not have tried his product and in turn been a very happy customer.

Thank you Pinstadium for inventing a great product. It has brought me enjoyment in my home and extra revenue to my business.

Thank you
Jonathan
Amusement Services of America

Great news guys. Apparently Jersey Jack has been paying close attention to all of the criticism regarding the inexcusable lack of lighting in all of their games. They are now including one of these puppies with all game purchases going forward. They basically took the pinstadium idea to the next level here folks. It’s compatible with all of their games and only needs a software update to work on most new Sterns. The beauty is that you only need one.....and no, you do not need to remove the mod when lifting the playfield like some inferior products out there. It’s great for pins and most dark moments in your life.

Just take a look at this guys face. Like he’s just seeing his balls for the very first time.

This is next level stuff guys. Thoughts?

Oh, and please look for this same bloody post in every single owners/club thread in the coming days.

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Eh, I'm just going right to stadium lighting.

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I imagine Dialed In will look something like this then?.....Perfect!

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Well of course the flash would make it visible but I don't play with a flash on! The pictures I took are very representative of the lighting in my room with and without PS lights on. I can't speak for what others have done but I made sure that mine weren't exaggerated by the camera in any way. There aren't any settings to adjust lighting on WOZ either so you're memory is incorrect on that point.

You also don't play pinball looking through a camera, you play with your eyes which are much better at dealing with light than a camera

That's it? Wow. That's 20.00 right there.

If someone offered you $200 to build one, would you do it? $180 profit for you

I owned a woz for a long time. Those pics are not representative. Yes, you can adjust the brightness of the lighting in the settings, I did it.

This is the only point I was trying to make to people. Cameras make a pin look terrible when the picture is taken in the dark.

My friend Rick's pinball room has very bright ceiling lighting that illuminates the playfields nicely. Rick really doesn't need Pinstadiums. I deliberately went for a darker look in my game room, with only three small ceiling lights over the center aisle. Pinstadiums make a huge difference in my games. To me, the dimmer the lighting in a game room the bigger their benefit.

I used to like the incandescent lighting in my B/W games, but after I added Mustang premium NIB in 2014 it made every other game in the room look too dimly lit. After I changed almost all of my games over to LEDs the inserts were nice and bright, but the GI LEDs didn't really light up the playfield artwork on the games. Pinstadiums does. And its app lets you dial it up as much as you want to brighten up the playfield artwork, then maybe dial it back a bit to still have the game's flashers stand out (my classic B/W games have some great light shows during gameplay).

So are there different "models" to buy ? Im hearing $150 - $250 . How does that work ?

There seem to be options like flasher color & "G.I. Plug in."

Ok cool.... and what the hell are these options all about ? Scott ?

You simply choose your color of flasher (UV+Glow is our most popular) and they are come stealth mounted embedded next to the GI lights on our kits. This flasher option works on any machine.
0-$50

GI Plug-in option: This option is highly suggested (Pinside user recommended feature) as it provides full integration of the Pin Stadium lights with your pinball machine by allowing the machine to gain control of the GI portion of our lights to create very rich cinematic and theatrical effects as originally intended by the manufacturer.
$60

Thanks , ill have to check out their website a little more closely.

Very true, but when taking pictures with a good DSLR and lens you can definitely simulate what your eyes and brain perceive by comparing the output to what you are seeing with your eyes and adjusting the camera settings until they match or are at least very close. Using a flash for the purposes of this exercise would be completely counter-productive.

You know there's a custom control board with flasher and GI integration as well as Wi-Fi connectivity and an application that lets you fully control color and brightness, right? I think that's a little more than $20 right there.

Since I don't think WOZ needs extra lighting then why would I care??? Yes, I know everything about Pin Stadium, it's all over pinside, pops up everywhere you can't miss it

If you don't care about it then why are you posting in a thread about said product??

Sorry, I think you and I are talking about a different set of pictures and that's probably my fault. Mine are posted in the Pin Stadium product thread.

I was talking about the pics posted right above.

Yes, I realized that when I went back and looked at the posts and that was why I said it was probably my fault, my posts were referring to the pictures I posted not the ones you were talking about. I should have clarified that sooner.