Are your games "dialed in"

I disqualify Iron man as a buddy of mine got to do or die on his first handful of games. I think anyone with tspp & Lotr in their lineup has a good chance of unseating you. You certainly have me beat, though.

Don't forget about non wiz mode games that will kick you in the junk. I would say an ultimate mix of wiz/non wiz would be tspp, Lotr, tfle, bsd & Flash Gordon.

Hardest to believe you only have Stern. Try BK2K, you will only last for moments.

Nope Sorry , Because the hardest game to get to the wizard mode is Stern Indiana Jones .

Not even close. Many of the early Bally games would frequently burn a whole game with 3 straight STDMs. It would be hard to get a game over a minute long. Some of the 60s Gottlieb games like Oklahoma had center drain areas three times as wide as what we have now. Brian B has a collection of those Bally games in fantastic condition that is way harder than yours. I've also seen a couple of Gottlieb collections that would give you nightmares and yet you still want to play them for hours on end. I will give you this; Your collection is a lot harder than mine.

Or how bout the EM machines that a single tilt would end the game?

Bye Bye dime!

Yes: X-Men.

8 Hero Modes
7 Villain Modes
Integrated combo system
4 multiball modes, not including wizard modes
3 wizard modes
customizable mode stacking

...and all of that is with the current unfinished code, so it's not even finished (IF it ever will, lol). I've played TAV, and with the current XM code, TAV seems shallow. I'm sure I'll take sh!t for bringing up the love/hate XM, but I had to point it out that TAV is nowhere close to as deep as XM currently is, even with gaping holes in the unfinished code.

And if you think those games are hard, I'd like to see how many plays it would take you just to get three ball multiball on Fireball, or how many times you could actually hit the ball with the flippers during one play. Lol.

Tfa..maybe you need to buy my ToM....it doesn't get much easier than this game to get to the wizard mode.

OK, you got me!

Do or Die multi ball is different than just Do or Die...

I know of nobody that has ever got to Do or Die multi ball.

DoD MB is unobtainable really...

Awesome collection man!

I think it is very important to have games that are hard and have as deep rules as possible when it comes to a small collection which you intend to play every day. I currently have ES and FT. FT is kicking my ass to get to super jackpots I like the when there is stuff to do on pin and have multiple strategies to go for. Hope to get more deeper pins in the future.

sorry but any collection not including a FT is not hard

Gotcha, I was going on what he said, have no idea which of those he got to. Permission to remove head from arse approved?

I thumbs downed TFA because he thinks early ss games were only built to drain balls and earn money. That's a piss poor reason to exclude them. Just say you want to exclude them but that isn't all they are about.

No offense, TFA, we get along 90+% of the time.

yeah DoD multi ball is stupid hard to get to.. if not impossible

And CSI is ridiculously hard to complete too...

Only have three at the moment, TSPP, lotr and avpro....xmen pro coming next week. I can't beat any of them. Sold my two easiest games, TAF and HS2. I've found I get bored on games I can beat or are too shallow. TAF and hs2 are great games, don't get me wrong, just not great in small collections. Only problem with harder games is ball times can be long, but who can complain with playing lotr for 30-60 mins. Took me 25 mins to hit 210 mil on AV and about 45 mins to hit 145 mil on TSPP.

I might get easier games, but not for more than 2k. Was thinking about dr dude for less that 1500 as possibly being good to add. It's free on pinball arcade now, have to say I really like it.

No early ss games are harder.

Meh, if you enjoy the challenge then there is no problem

I hate games that I can beat on my first game with no knowledge of the rules

I like pills

hardest DMD... I'll stick with Williams games:
#1 BSD
#2 SHADOW
maybe not third, but hard: FT

We could split this up into four categories, since it can be hard to compare games decades apart:

1) electromechs
2) solid state pre-DMD
3) DMD up to and including Pinball 2000
4) after Pinball 2000: modern Stern and JJP

Since most of my experience is in category 2, I'll mention: Black Knight 2000 (as previously mentioned) and Pinbot-- which loves to throw the ball from the pop bumpers down the left outlane, and that shot to advance planets is as far over on the right as it can get, which makes it fiendishly difficult to advance planets all the way to the Sun.

For category 3, what about Star Trek: The Next Generation? I remember that one being a nasty drain monster.

No BabyPac eh? That has got to be the hardest pin ever to complete.

I guess BK2k and Fireball aren't DMDs, are they? Must have missed that when I chimed in. But while I'm here I will mention that I also played Fireball when I was 10, at Carter bowl in Anaheim. For me, a kid with little money, this was a special occasion game, as your ball could drain as fast as your dime. But this was no gimmick machine, this pin was (and still is) special. It had and has a combination of features that did not re-appear until many years later, and set the wheels in motion for the "difficult" games that you are now having such a hard time with now. As far as DMDs are concerned- congrats on your "hard" collection.

Bsd: is there even a wizard mode? It's easier to stack all 3 Mb and get 30 mil jackpots than to beat any of the games on his list

Shadow: this game is hard when you first get it, but not so bad once you figure it out and dial it in. The key is theist orbit, hold right upper flipper for bounce in mode start. I've been to final battle several times and beaten the first wave once (it just keeps restarting). I don't think shadow is anywhere near in the league of the listed games for wizard more difficulty.

Come to think of it, none of the BW games are that hard. I don't think there are any that I own that I haven't beaten at least once. Unless you count joining the cirqus 4 times in one game as the way to beat CV.

Sttng with default outlanes on stock settings might be about the hardest one I can think of in the BW Dmd line. (Mine has extended outlanes and kickback is set to easy)

Maybe 1 in every 50 games you can stack all 3 multi's.....yeah right! I have yet to see anyone walk up to my machine and immediately pull this off...maybe after playing it all night. It doesn't need a wizard mode...that's why it's always featured in most major tournaments.

BSD has the shortest ball time of any dmd i've played.

Avengers is freaking hard. Love it for that, real satisfaction doing the hard shots.

I would buy an OJ Simpson pinball machine

I have never been to Encore mode in ACDC and don't know if I ever will...hard!

TSPP and Shadow are tough pins, but I love them for that.

Wizard Mode
In order from left to right

Valinor, Nope...... / Alien Invasion, Only on 5 ball setting so far / LITZ, a handful of times

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TFLE is easy.

Is he wearing gloves, and holding a knife ?

I was just playing around. I havent had any quality time on TF unfortunately. If I did you know Id have it licked in no time!

There are TONS of games with a deeper ruleset. Harder shots? I don't know, a few, maybe. I'd call them clunky shots, not hard shots though.

I would add RBION to any difficult list. Actually having to complete all modes makes the game super hard, plus getting all super jackpots gives another wizard mode.

To me, difficult and repetitive are two different things. IJ4 and TF are not as difficult as they are insanely repetitive, you have to make the exact same shots 100+ times...which is not fun.