Dude, Jurassic is Elwins third place game IMO. It suffers from being a bit too difficult, but I'm not so good at pinball. the number ONE game should be Wonka or Iron Maiden. GNR LE might be fourth place behind TOTAN for the fun factor alone; forget about the code.

Sorry for dropping this Bomb, but JP is nowhere near as awesome as IMDN or AIQ, simple as that. I hear that Elwin's GODZILLA is going to be FAR better than all of those games, but let's wait and see

the Hog Man

Man, I couldn't disagree more. MM is so much more fun. JP is super overly dramatic; pretending to be a suspense theme without any movie assets or IP. It should've been Stern's DINOSAUR PARK instead of Jurassic Park. Without the assets, that is what it feels like. Nothing like the movies and nothing integrated intto the game from any of the movies either. There is NO Movie Moments which are meaningful to the player; It really needs that to pull a person in.

Medieval however, has all of the humor and crazy zany crap that any "medieval" theme should have. Tons of awesome features and fun code. Sure, its shallow as heck, but the fun theme integration, callouts, and PF design all make for a fantastic pinball. IMHO, monster bash is even better than JP; it's got so much CHARACTER, and that matters when you play to have fun and enjoy each game for the theme it was designed to be.

Best,
Hog Man

Does the majority of Pinsiders really believe that MM and MB are top five games? I think they're great games like we all do, but to rank them top ten seems to ignore and dismiss more recent titles which offer so much more. If the grading rubric truly is based on simplicity and addictiveness at the expense of long term lastability, code, modern art, modern sound packages, and game design principles which are based on the historical success of older games like bally williams titles from the 90s, then I guess most 90s games would be the obvious top ten choice.

Can't we all admit that modern releases are far more immersive, complex, and sometimes more unique (fewer fan layouts than 90s games) than older titles? I'm not sure it is reasonable to argue that 90s titles are better than modern games in that regard; they were produced to earn money on location by establishing quick, simple satisfaction in the player by rewarding simpler accomplishments. Those old titles did not need to be complex, deep, or lastable in a home collection. Modern games, however, are produced with a different approach, which emphasizes significantly more complexity, advanced sound and art, and far more appeal to home collectors for several reasons. There are more demographics to appeal to now, and that's resulted in far more consideration for lastability in a home collection. Modern games still kick butt on location, mostly based on appealing themes and plenty of quick rewards/hooks for the location player, but they far exceed older titles when it comes to lastability and advanced playfield designs which are favored by collectors.

The games have changed, mostly for the better. We should agree that there is far more to enjoy in modern games, strictly as to complexity and inclusive game experience when compared to 90s titles. older games feel dated by comparison, and very shallow. They're still great titles, don't get me wrong, but they are a sparse offering of pinball experience compared to newer releases. Evolution results in improvement, to our benefit. nobody is dogging older titles, but it seems obvious that they are/were seriously limited in what they offer due to market conditions and technology.

just my two cents

I get what you're saying, and I agree. I just didn't realize that most pinsiders and voters on the top games really honestly believed that newer games were not better than the older ones with basic fan layouts. Shallow rule set games with fan layouts are awesome, especially for a quick ten minute session before work. Looking at the big picture, it seems that more often than not people do prefer simpler games, but I have a hard time not playing Iron Maiden Premium and believing whole heartedly that it is a far better game than MM or MB, and other top ranked games. the sound, lights, and art, not to mention playfield variety of shots really resonates.

Perhaps it is the simple rules and fan layouts which most voters prefer, so MM, AFM, and MB are so widely regarded as top 10. Fan layouts are a bit too repetitive for me, but I still enjoy them. I just love the variety of shot depths, angles, and interesting ball paths which are created by a NON fan layout, so I vote accordingly.

I am with you on this. Bally williams games are super fun, but they're the ones having problems in my lineup most often. Well, I guess we need to account for the fact that they're 25-30 years old; they're bound to break eventually. maybe its an unfair comparison at the start.

I love the JJP build quality, and my IMDN premium is literally bulletproof (not literally LOL). never had any issues with them beyond a loose screw, and a bad factory magnet on wonka. perhaps I'm a lucky one on both games being trouble free, but i've seen all sorts of games on location and they're usually ready to rock, and never fail, including B/W, stern, CGC, AP, JJP, so operators are stoked.

someday I'll own an AP pin, then i'll get to see how quality they are. I've heard nothing but good things about their build quality.

I don't blame you friend. they're better than the older releases of the same layout!!!