#1 to who?

I own both and while JP is fantastic, it absolutely does not dethrone MM!!

I guess I need to go rate JP then. I really don't like the game, at all.

Yeah I guess I can see JP finally knocking MM off on here. Both are great games (although nowhere near 1,2 for me) and not even the JJP army can shit-post JP.

Edit to add that I hadn’t noticed DP moving to 3 (!) and I’m willing to die on that hill. That’s a top 5 game IMO.

JP shouldn’t even be top 10 I’ll try to correct that

MM is 1 always. JP is lame jam fest with no clear goal imo. GNR LE should be up there.

Hardbody still stuck posing at #356.
Crappy cabinet aside, what a travesty!

Agreed! It honestly plays a bit like a poorman's Black Knight; with the inlane save-flippers standing in for a magna-save. Lot's of fun working your way from station to station, working out all your muscles groups! Completely silly and bonkers. Only thing I don't like is that heavy-breathing before each ball.

JP isn’t even the best stern. Lotr is still king of the sterns 18 years and still on top. The top spot belongs to MM. I think TZ and AFM are top 5 games and long battle tested.

Another believer!!! Hardbody is criminally underrated (and it’s original version BMX is too) Hardbody is actually a shitload of fun. Add too that flexsave is waaaay more fun than Magnasave.

Oh I remember plenty of other #1s

I have no pony in this race, and as much as I like JP, it’s not MM. Enough said

Good grief...if you like JP, that's fine. But if you want to compare JP to MM, you are going to come up *WAY* short, *especially* in terms of artwork, for absolute freaking certain.

I’ll be the minority I guess and take JP over MM. MM felt to easy and I lost interest. It’s a great game but didn’t keep me coming back for more.

Dude, Jurassic is Elwins third place game IMO. It suffers from being a bit too difficult, but I'm not so good at pinball. the number ONE game should be Wonka or Iron Maiden. GNR LE might be fourth place behind TOTAN for the fun factor alone; forget about the code.

Sorry for dropping this Bomb, but JP is nowhere near as awesome as IMDN or AIQ, simple as that. I hear that Elwin's GODZILLA is going to be FAR better than all of those games, but let's wait and see

the Hog Man

Man, I couldn't disagree more. MM is so much more fun. JP is super overly dramatic; pretending to be a suspense theme without any movie assets or IP. It should've been Stern's DINOSAUR PARK instead of Jurassic Park. Without the assets, that is what it feels like. Nothing like the movies and nothing integrated intto the game from any of the movies either. There is NO Movie Moments which are meaningful to the player; It really needs that to pull a person in.

Medieval however, has all of the humor and crazy zany crap that any "medieval" theme should have. Tons of awesome features and fun code. Sure, its shallow as heck, but the fun theme integration, callouts, and PF design all make for a fantastic pinball. IMHO, monster bash is even better than JP; it's got so much CHARACTER, and that matters when you play to have fun and enjoy each game for the theme it was designed to be.

Best,
Hog Man

I don’t care that much about the ratings but yo me they should at least be timeless and independent of what came out this year. Going back and rerating anything doesn’t make sense IMO.

I’ve played so much MM I don’t really want to own one, and am a bit tired of it but it’s still deserving of a #1 spot despite my wanting to play and own other games. Everything was just done right on it. Most other pins I can find some things to nitpick about.

JP is nowhere near MM in fun factor to me.

Preach.

I think ts was right on the one aspect of great times for pinball. Lots of great games, both old and new. Just wishing for reasonable prices on games and spare parts, wouldn´t mind better quality either.

I just recently bought a new worg head for hobbit. It came in about a 100$, which is outrageous. I´ve seen more detailed and advanced plastics in happy meals.

A newb thread started by a non-newb.

Man, what's going on around here? Must be something in the water...

I get your point and agree that spare part prices in general are really high.

Your example is badly chosen though. You really can't compare the price on a worg head that might sell ~500 units in total with a McDonalds toy that is mass produced in many millions.

MMRoyal deserves its No1 spot. It is an all time classic. Stern s Jurassic Park has only been out for a few years. Who knows in 20 years time it may be in the No1 spot.

We have both games. I prefer MMr and my wife prefers JP. That is what the ratings are for, so you can have your say.

I tried to play JP, but only had to realize it has an empty playfield ala Stern's minimalistic approach, where less is less
The only exception was the dinosaur in the back, which was semicool.
Should not be a TOP-10 game IMO. Have to go and give ratings to that game.

EDIT: Actually, what made the game cooler is the user-led project that created new video/audiofiles for the game. JJP could learn something from it...

I think you have to keep in mind the fact that the "Top 100" list rates Deadpool above Twilight Zone. In other words, it's heavily biased towards newer games.
Even with that bias, MM still is at the top even though it was designed in 1997.
I'd like to see the same list of games rated 20 years from now. We've had 24 years to play MM and 28 years to play TZ and many of us are still not tired of them yet. Will the new games endure in the same way, both playwise and mechanically/electronically? Only time will tell!

Whaaaaa..... JP is empty?

AFM is better than MM

+1

JP is hard if you don’t play often. Serious theme too. MM is not as hard and has a lot of humor in it. TRex Mech always gave me issues. I traded my MMRL for JP and my JP for a MMR Royal. Don’t get me wrong the TRex mech is amazing, but there is something about blowing up castles. I don’t think I’ll buy a serious theme again. Bring on Big Trouble!

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I love how EMs have to have a separate top 100 kind of like Harleys have their own drag races. When you can’t compete overall, start your own exclusionary competition!

Not even close.

It´s all a matter of taste though. I prefer maiden to jp.
MM is a great game, alltough i consider it leaning way left.¨The best thing with MM is almost everybody thinks it´s fun and it´s straight forward enough to get the basic hang of first game, wich is a great introduktion.

If you´re just getting one game and want new people visiting having a chance to get charmed by pinball, it´s hard to think of a better game then MM.

I hope so. It could be the most overrated pinball game in history.

Yeah I said it. The old guard will disagree but it’s time for it to be replaced. It had one hell of a run!

One year in college there was a gameroom attached to my dorm with MM @ 5 plays for $2. It was obvious that game was something special compared to most other things I'd played growing up. I basically lived in that gameroom that year, and though I've loved other games since then, nothing quite hit everything so perfectly for me until Maiden showed up.

I routinely find myself saying that Maiden is the best contender to MM in the 20 years since. Like MM, the basic play and shots are intuitive. It's a blast to play without knowing any of the rules, but if you put the time in gets far deeper than MM ever did. Despite the depth, you can eventually learn almost all of it just by playing it a bunch following the callouts and other cues without reading a rulesheet or digging up a flowchart.

The big pain point compared to MM is the theme has less general appeal. Like any other band machine, it's appeal is increased/decreased based on your awareness and opinion of the band itself.

As for JP, it's def one I'd like to own, but only after I snag a maiden.

You got to be kidding me

First off, to each his own. However, I’ve never been able to get into JP and I’ve tried. Maybe it’s the theme or how the theme was treated, but it just doesn’t pull me in. I actually think it’s the third best Elwin game behind AIQ and IMDN.

What the actual F*ck?!?!?!?!

Deadpool at No.3 OF ALL TIME!?!?!?!?!

This hobby has finally jumped the shark.

Are people rating games before they know what makes a good game?
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Pinball is just so objective, what's a favourite of one, inevitably will be detested by another... but those refusing to place JP in the top 10 are kidding themselves. Personally I have JP at #1, and place AFM at #2. MM is incredible, but doesn't make my top #5. You can disagree... but you'd be wrong

Jp isn't even a top 10 Stern game imo besides AIQ I can't think of any Stern game that has rules that are a hot shit mess like jp.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!

If you had a room with 5 pins, one MM and the others brand new pins, most would spend more time on the newer games. I would. Doesn't mean one is better than the other but just means new games are a lot of fun.

I can’t believe Acdc Pre has slipped to 18.

Big Lebowski #15 !!?!?!?!!?

I don’t agree but I like your take anyway.

I didn’t like JP until I got deep into the rules.

I agree, sold my MM because i never played it. But still it's one of the best games made.