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Is MM about to be dethroned as #1?

By Damonator

3 months ago


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#201 71 days ago

I'm not a fan of Mando.

#202 71 days ago
Quoted from rai:

I'm not a fan of Mando.

Well, stick around and you’ll get to see it plummet.

I own a premium. I like it a lot. I haven’t rated it yet but I don’t believe it’s the top pin of all time. It’s not even the top pin I own IMO.

Still…I don’t think it’s right for a ton of old, salty pinballers to ride in on their white horses and destroy the rating to get the top 100 back to where they deem it rightfully should be.

And that’s about to happen.

#203 71 days ago
Quoted from pudluther:

Well, stick around and you’ll get to see it plummet.
I own a premium. I like it a lot. I haven’t rated it yet but I don’t believe it’s the top pin of all time. It’s not even the top pin I own IMO.
Still…I don’t think it’s right for a ton of old, salty pinballers to ride in on their white horses and destroy the rating to get the top 100 back to where they deem it rightfully should be.
And that’s about to happen.

If you think about it, it brings balance to the force. You've got a bunch of turds rating this 10, and counter turds will rate it 1 because of it. A perfectly balanced ecosystem.

#204 71 days ago
Quoted from SuperPinball:

I think Mandalorian LE will briefly take the #1 spot, then get knocked back by pinsiders that want to keep the games they have in their collection ranked higher. We have seen this scenario play out many times. It would be cool to see Brian Eddy beat his own game from #1 with another one he designed albeit briefly though.

Looks like you were on the money.

#205 71 days ago

Man, this thread has some very serious deja vu to it.

The names of the games change, but the criticisms of the rating system remain the same as they were forever ago.

#206 71 days ago

If the goal of the rating system is to drive site engagement, it works flawlessly!

#207 71 days ago

If more people play and rate POTC, it is possible.

#208 71 days ago
Quoted from dts:

It doesn't matter, as the ratings self regulate over time. New releases go to the top, then drop down when more votes even things out. Seems like Star Wars was number one for a time as well. Besides, if I paid too much attention to the list, I wouldn't own some of my favorite games.

The ratings would be overall more accurate if they were never inflated to begin with. Look at my wishlist and current collection, there is no correlation to the top 100 list. Im only broaching the subject to try to make the top 100 list more accurate, not because I have an emotional attachment to games I like getting on the top 100 list.

#209 70 days ago
Quoted from Knxwledge:

The ratings would be overall more accurate if they were never inflated to begin with. Look at my wishlist and current collection, there is no correlation to the top 100 list. Im only broaching the subject to try to make the top 100 list more accurate, not because I have an emotional attachment to games I like getting on the top 100 list.

If people were honest and rated games as they genuinely liked and played them, the ratings system would be great.

Reality is people rate their own games high. This is then countered by people that have never played the games giving really low ratings. I think the rating system is fine, I would just like to see a game needing 100 ratings before it is listed in the top 100. Then the top 10% and bottom 10% of ratings removed giving a much better average overall. Just my opinion.

#210 70 days ago
Quoted from 80sMan:

Seems the Top 100 is more subjective than ever before. Played several games of Scared Stiff last night, the art is beautiful, the gameplay so easy to understand, amazing toys.. can't see how 30 games are ahead of it?!

I owned SS for many years and I could easily put 50 games ahead of it. It's too easy and repetitive.

Everyone has different ideas what makes a great game. Obsessing over the top 100 is just silly.

#211 70 days ago

Mando being number 1 proves the point that the theme matters. It a decent game but no way this game deserves the # 1 spot. I'm Only guessing it's the little green guy people are voting so high for. Maybe the top 100 should be broken down to top 100 game play,top 100 theme,top 100 rule set ect.

It's the Force telling the weak minded pinheads "You don't like other games" "vote high for the green guy" "The green guys game is the best in the world"

#212 70 days ago
Quoted from Crumbalimb:

Mando being number 1 proves the point that the theme matters. It a decent game but no way this game deserves the # 1 spot. I'm Only guessing it's the little green guy people are voting so high for. Maybe the top 100 should be broken down to top 100 game play,top 100 theme,top 100 rule set ect.
It's the Force telling the weak minded pinheads "You don't like other games" "vote high for the green guy" "The green guys game is the best in the world"

If people set their weighted ranking properly I imagine it would fix some of it too.

Theme and art are like the last two I care about if the game, toys and other resources (audio, video) work well and the game plays great.

#213 70 days ago
Quoted from Knxwledge:

The ratings would be overall more accurate if they were never inflated to begin with. Look at my wishlist and current collection, there is no correlation to the top 100 list. Im only broaching the subject to try to make the top 100 list more accurate, not because I have an emotional attachment to games I like getting on the top 100 list.

Lists are never truly in stone. I personally always use it as more of a guide of generalities.

Sentimentality, playing styles, artistic preferences, and themes weigh heavy on most people's decisions, of course.

Whether MM is truly #1 or not is extremely subjective. I think what it does well is...well... everything. I can think of pins with better lighting, better callouts, better toys, etc....but it's hard to think of one that does it ALL at such a high level. I feel that it just appeals greatly to such a wide group of people.

#214 70 days ago
Quoted from Crumbalimb:

Mando being number 1 proves the point that the theme matters. It a decent game but no way this game deserves the # 1 spot. I'm Only guessing it's the little green guy people are voting so high for. Maybe the top 100 should be broken down to top 100 game play,top 100 theme,top 100 rule set ect.
It's the Force telling the weak minded pinheads "You don't like other games" "vote high for the green guy" "The green guys game is the best in the world"

I’ll have some of what you’re smoking.

#215 70 days ago
Quoted from Daditude:

Lists are never truly in stone. I personally always use it as more of a guide of generalities.
Sentimentality, playing styles, artistic preferences, and themes weigh heavy on most people's decisions, of course.
Whether MM is truly #1 or not is extremely subjective. I think what it does well is...well... everything. I can think of pins with better lighting, better callouts, better toys, etc....but it's hard to think of one that does it ALL at such a high level. I feel that it just appeals greatly to such a wide group of people.

I totally agree, you can't remove all of people's biases from the ratings list, but there are some that can be mitigated. I think this initial hyping up of new releases is one of those biases that can be mitigated.

#216 70 days ago
Quoted from Knxwledge:

I totally agree, you can't remove all of people's biases from the ratings list, but there are some that can be mitigated. I think this initial hyping up of new releases is one of those biases that can be mitigated.

I agree. We have discussed it some and we may bring it up again soon. A minimum # of ratings seems to be the best policy...although it would cut out all of the fun discourse that comes with discussing it! Lol

#217 70 days ago
Quoted from OldSchoolBlood:

If more people play and rate POTC, it is possible.

How many games would you guess it takes to like POTC? JJP specifically.

Does it matter which character you select to be?

#218 70 days ago
Quoted from JohnTTwo:

How many games would you guess it takes to like POTC? JJP specifically.
Does it matter which character you select to be?

A number of people like it right away, but I think it takes a lot of games to really get the hang of it. Tia Dalma is a good strategy, to choose the chapters within a movie and increase the chances of making the wizard modes. Mine sits next to TZ, but for me TZ is much more fun.

#219 66 days ago

14 and 23 now.

Clarification:
14 is Mando
23 is RM

#220 66 days ago
Quoted from altan:

14 and 23 now.

Wow - Mando dropped from #1 to #14 in only a week.

MM regains the throne!

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#221 66 days ago

Just as predicted

#222 66 days ago

All is right in the world once again.

#223 66 days ago

It’s not a prediction, it’s clockwork. Do you think all the people that gave Mando LE a 6 have played an LE?

#224 66 days ago

Ratings over time with a basic linear fit regression. IMDN was was picked as the third game because I like it and wanted to see.

Created to satisfy my own curiosity. Raw numbers should be accurate but no validation were applied.

Anyone using these to try to prove a point is insane, but don't let that stop you!

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#225 65 days ago
Quoted from Damonator:

Wow - Mando dropped from #1 to #14 in only a week.
MM regains the throne!
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That shows you how easily the ratings can be manipulated by owners and people that have never played the game. As more people rate the game it should eventually work itself out.

#226 65 days ago
Quoted from pinballaddicted:

That shows you how easily the ratings can be manipulated by owners and people that have never played the game. As more people rate the game it should eventually work itself out.

What's crazier to me is why people even care. Rate the games honestly and let the list be the list. I won't rate Mando until I can play it.

The whole reason for this thread was just a reminder for people to keep their ratings up to date in light of all the recent great titles.

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#227 64 days ago
Quoted from Damonator:

The whole reason for this thread was just a reminder for people to keep their ratings up to date in light of all the recent great titles.

Thank you for the reminder about old ratings. I've been changing some to reflect code updates and more playtime on titles. Still a few to go.

IMHO no new game should be included in the ratings until its a year or more from the initial owners recieving theirs. Have to give time for people to actually play it and for the code to mature some.

#228 63 days ago
Quoted from Damonator:

What's crazier to me is why people even care. Rate the games honestly and let the list be the list. I won't rate Mando until I can play it.
The whole reason for this thread was just a reminder for people to keep their ratings up to date in light of all the recent great titles.

That is the idea of the ratings system. You rate the games how you like them. For me, I just love TWD and ACDC. I think they are the best games of all time. Put all the ratings together and you have an idea of what games are the most popular.

I cannot understand why some people care so much about the ratings and do what they can to manipulate them. This hobby is about you and what you like and everybody is different. The sooner some people understand this, the better the hobby will be for them.

#229 63 days ago

In a fair and just world LOTR would be #1.

Best mix of rules, theme integration, layout etc etc... maybe gets docked a bit for artwork.

The only pin I never get sick of playing.

#230 63 days ago

And so Mando drops down into obscurity where it will soon be forgotten. The cream always rises to the top, but MM shouldn't be number 1. TZ is the rightful owner of this crown. MM gameplay get's boring very quickly, once you figure out the whole game is the same thing over and over again.

But TZ, holy moly, what a game. Every other game cowers in it's shadow.

Having said that, in my own true and honest review, I did rate MM higher than TZ. MM has better audio, better art, better lighting....which just bumps it ahead...damn.

#231 63 days ago
Quoted from JohnTTwo:

How many games would you guess it takes to like POTC? JJP specifically.
Does it matter which character you select to be?

POTC is similar to when TZ came out. It has so much packed into it people most likely will be overwelmed what to do at first. Put in some time and you start to learn the rules and what to do. I would say 10+ games and you will start to appreciate what it has to offer. You are constantly learning new things on this because the code is so deep. Picking your character makes a huge difference and let's you change up your strategy for that game. Brilliant game, especially in a home setting.

#232 63 days ago
Quoted from Elvishasleft:

In a fair and just world LOTR would be #1.
Best mix of rules, theme integration, layout etc etc... maybe gets docked a bit for artwork.
The only pin I never get sick of playing.

It's amazing how sick I got of playing it when every game turned into a half hour slog through the same 3 multiballs and 6 modes. I never did get to Valinor, but I must've had TABA at least 10 or 15 times in less than 6 months of playing 4-5 games a week.

I still think it's one of the best...just not one of the best for me to own.

#233 61 days ago

Was just thinking...

With how people vote, CCr will be number one in two days.

#234 60 days ago

What’s the trajectory of Deadpool and jp? Seems like Deadpool has been moving up, maybe that will be the first to take #1 and not because it’s a debut to the ranking list.

#235 60 days ago
Quoted from altan:

Was just thinking...
With how people vote, CCr will be number one in two days.

Lots of noobs now, more coming in all the time. They’ve got the resources to buy nib and trust me, they’re gonna want to influence others and, probably unintentionally(?), want the top 100 to reflect that every time now. I agree, should be a time extension on every nib title. Time to settle and hopefully level out these spikes.

I visited Pinside in 2007, saw top 100 and was like, yeah, ok. List was similar to what it is today. That’s true title grit and popularity. Can’t manipulate that away.

Robin can let us know the changes he’s thinking of?

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#236 60 days ago

I’ve never bought a pin based on Pinsides top whatever list. With that said, I don’t own a MM as it’s not the greatest pin IMO. It’s fun but gets old hitting a Castle that takes up 1/3 the PF. How could you possibly miss hitting that thing.

#237 60 days ago
Quoted from thechakapakuni:

I’ve never bought a pin based on Pinsides top whatever list. With that said, I don’t own a MM as it’s not the greatest pin IMO. It’s fun but gets old hitting a Castle that takes up 1/3 the PF. How could you possibly miss hitting that thing.

So you get to the wizard mode every time you play it?

#238 60 days ago
Quoted from thechakapakuni:

I’ve never bought a pin based on Pinsides top whatever list

Agree - but I’ve *not* bought pins based on the list.

You know - an opportunity to buy that title that you don’t hear much about - and you start looking through the top 100….top 200…top 300….and then find it on the last page.

#239 60 days ago

In general the list is pretty accurate. Especially below the the top 20, the prices correlate pretty close, higher ranked games cost more money.

#240 59 days ago
Quoted from thechakapakuni:

With that said, I don’t own a MM as it’s not the greatest pin IMO. It’s fun....

Doesn't seem like it

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#241 59 days ago
Quoted from TheLaw:

Doesn't seem like it [quoted image]

that's super lame.

#242 59 days ago
Quoted from TheLaw:

Doesn't seem like it [quoted image]

Par for the course:

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#243 59 days ago

Haven’t you all heard of binary voting? Well, 1’s and 10’s.

That pinsider is a strong proponent.

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#244 59 days ago
Quoted from TheLaw:

Doesn't seem like it [quoted image]

Those ratings are generous

#245 59 days ago

Just look to Marketplace. More wanted ads than selling…fairly consistently. I played MM on location in the 90’s and my first thought then, even when playing a filthy version was I’m gonna own this title someday.

Just a very balanced game.

#246 59 days ago
Quoted from underlord:

I played MM on location in the 90’s . . . Just a very balanced game.

It is. And the callouts and dots are great. The voice actor for the wizard is deadly. Fun game with a crazy great toy and humour. The powerball and clever use of magnets for shots puts TZ slightly ahead imho, but just slightly.

#247 59 days ago

No changes in the top 9 spots this week - but DP has narrowed the gap on JP to 0.001! I smell Dino blood!

Looks like LOTR jumped back into the top 10 knocking out AIQ.

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#248 58 days ago

MM is the best game ever in the same sense that vanilla is the best Ice cream flavor.

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