Quoted from xsvtoys:

I don’t think a lot of people realize the scale of the state. So many people from other states are always worried I am about to burn up. As bad as it all is right now, all of that is about as far away as if your were living in NY and there was a fire in Maine.
There is a huge diversity as far as what it’s like in different areas. Southern California is different than Northern California. Central California is more different. Even in just SoCal you can live at the beach, in the desert, in the mountains, and everything in between.
In NorCal SF is different from San Jose, which is different from the valley, and so on. Go north from SF/Sacramento and you still have hundreds and hundreds of miles of wide open land.
SoCal is basically a complete desert with far too many people living there, all stealing the water from NorCal (in NorCal people’s’ minds). In SoCal it isn’t unusual to have zero rain over a span of 8 months. In the northernmost part of the state, annual rainfall approaches 50 inches.
There are forests that stretch forever. There is all of Yosemite and Mammoth. There are hundreds of miles of Pacific Ocean coastline.
There are some really really nice places to live, depending on what you like. My preference if I could get there would be Central a California, north of Santa Barbara in the San Luis Obispo area. That is a totally different living vibe than being in crowded SoCal.
So, it it worth it? If you can afford the overpriced real estate to get where you would like to be, maybe so. The weather is ridiculously and consistently good. There are tons of things to do. Some things are expensive, but not everything. Most people, in general, are nice. There is a lot of diversity and always has been, and it seems to be no big issue for everyone to get along.
The biggest downsides? First and foremost, water. It is a major limiting factor, and that probably can’t be improved much. Continual expansion of population only makes this worse.
Second? The absolute dumbest and worst group of politicians on the face of the earth. In the end you get what you vote for, so I suppose this is what most of the people want. If you are a business owner, an entrepreneur, a hard worker, or anyone who actually makes a contribution to society, the levels of government control and taxation are onerous. Everyday citizens have basically no rights or protections, and criminals are well-loved and allowed to do whatever they want with no punishment. This is the main reason many people leave.
My final note. At least among people that I generally come across, by far the number one topic of discussion is this: where can we go to get the hell out of here???!

Quoted from beelzeboob:

And btw...you do know this whole argument is ridiculous, right? There are advantages and disadvantages to living everywhere. You pick what's important to you and go where you want to go. It's all personal preference and what kind of taxes you can actually afford.

Quoted from IdahoRealtor:

I'll be honest. It's mentally taxing for Conservatives living in the Bay Area and LA.

Quoted from canea:

Are there still Californians in California? Pretty sure they all moved to Wyoming and bought up everything this summer. They brought the smoke with them, too.
I'm hoping to reverse immigrate and live in NorCal someday.

Quoted from japespin:

Left the Bay Area and moved to Vegas a little over a year ago. The Bay will always have a place in my heart, and I do miss my family and friends back there, but you couldn't get me to move back. My mortgage payment is cut in half, for a brand new home that's almost 1000 square feet larger. I don't have to sit in traffic just to drive 2 miles. No state tax. Lower property tax. Lower everything.
Mind you, Vegas has it's issues as well (what city doesn't), but the good far outweighs the bad, for us at least.

Quoted from Pinthetic:

left 3 1/2 years ago. Live just north of Chattanooga. It's an amazing place, green and most are really nice. Unfortunately may go back to California as that is where all our friends and family are.
Cons moving back.
1. Couldn't have a yard sale without thieves. I have video of teamwork thieves and even using their kids to steal or cause distractions.
2. Trash everywhere along the roads. Dirty diapers in parking lots. More graffiti than I have seen anywhere else. Hwy 101 and 25 are just garbage.
3. Fires and bad air during them. Not good for those with lung issues.
4. Taxes and permit fees are ridiculous.
5. Crime. When I worked for Verizon the thieves would steal the copper wire from the backup generators over in the Valley. Vandalism higher. Empty houses ransacked while up for sale. Leave your car on the side of the road for a few hours to arrange towing and come back to find all the windows smashed.
6. Corner beggars 100x more than anywhere else I have been.
7. Everything is in Spanish anymore. I had awesome Spanish friends there that never tried to shove that down your throat and were very respectful but that is no longer the case with the recent generation and influx of illegals.
8. Water issues.
9. Utility rolling blackouts. Getting back up generator permits cost has skyrocketed because they know they can bleed you because of it.
10. Home Depot and Lowe's parking lots full of those looking for day cash jobs. Don't see that here.
11. HOA and CCR rules are like buying a home and giving all your rights to the committee. I'll plant the tree I want thank you.
12. Forget going to Oakland. Do I really have to spell it out.
13. San Francisco has turned into a cesspool unless you like feces and urine. So sad. Can't visit there safe anymore.
14. LA...no thanks.
15. Gang activity is high.
16. Seems the drug activity is higher. Everywhere has the problem but CA seems worse. Maybe because it is a known gateway.
17. Gas prices. I paid $1.87 today here.
18. Bullying in schools. Not tolerated here. It's dealt with quickly. Parents here will beat your ass.
19. The only flags normally seen are the American flag and state flags unless you are watching the protesters on the news. The Confederate flag is rarely seen here although I originally thought you might see it more. Mostly at the battlefield parks. An occasional one shows up on the back of a truck or motorcycle. In CA Mexican flags are everywhere.
20. Because of the economy there everyone is pinching every penny they can. Here they offer to give you a beverage to go at no extra cost.
21. I could on. Especially when it comes to manners.
Pros.
1. Family is there. Miss them.
2 Friends are there. Miss them.
3. Less humidity. July and August here suck.
4. Depending on where you are most things you desire are only a couple hours drive.
5. Best Mexican food I have ever had. The Mexicans that work here in restaurants I think are impostors. Everything is shredded and blah.
6. Pinball Shows there are really fun. Awesome guys and gals.
7. Ranch fixathons at Paicines with all the guys.
8. My Dads grave is in Reno and I miss stopping by.
9. The ocean.
10. Santa Cruz mountains.
11. Favorite Italian restaurants are in the San Jose area.
12. Highway 80 from Roseville to Reno. Best drive anywhere.
It would not be until 2022 but its possible. Probably somewhere around highway 49 or 50.

Quoted from metallik:

Significant reason why both taxes and property values in CA are f*cked.

Quoted from merccat:

I wouldn’t count on that staying a whole lot longer. There are groups currently actively looking to dismantle Prop 13. It will start with businesses but won’t end there.
For those not familiar, the concept of Prop 13 is that they can only increase our assessed value for property tax by a limited percentage per year as long as you own the property (a sale resets the assessment). It allows homeowners to retain some stability and not be forced to sell their home due to suddenly no longer being able to afford the property tax for no fault of their own. It also allows businesses to project out with confidence that expense. One of the few tax statutes we have that actually makes sense.

Quoted from Pinthetic:

Salinas, Alisal, Hollister. Did not have the luxury of living in Carmel. Where I lived they took out the long lot single homes that were built before 1950 and put in apartments. Crammed all those families in them. Alisal became a nightmare. Look it up. Very sad.

Quoted from metallik:

Unequal tax burden when some properties aren't taxes at their true value. If the tax break passes to the next owner, the unequal burden continues... if it's revoked upon sale, the existing owner has less incentive to sell which pushes values higher. Shouldn't grandfather crazy low tax rates. If the government is efficient, the overall tax cost shouldn't rise much if all property is taxed at same rate.

Quoted from metallik:

You just proved my point... you're not selling because of prop13. It breaks the market. The bit about dying there was fluff, but the real result is the bidding wars you mention on the few properties that do come to market, crazy high prices overall and crazy high taxes on some but not all people.
I also agree that repealing it now would break the market even more... y'all are stuck with it. My original comment that it screwed up the market stands true. The fact Sacramento is incompetent isn't really a factor, prop13 was a citizen petition, was it not?

Quoted from IdahoRealtor:

I'm actually flying to ID in 2 weeks to scope out eagle, meridian, boise for potential relocation.

Quoted from jamesmc:

Neighbors surrounding me paid in the high 200,000s on my street in 1980s. Next to them person paid 1.2 million. This is how it works. We are closer to high end than low end. We have to make more money just to keep up with the Jones's who bought 30 plus years before me. Funny to me. People who live elsewhere complaining about living here. Because people living elsewhere who moved here helped create this mess.

Quoted from merccat:

And that allows your dad to stay in his home that I’m sure was completely affordable when he bought it and wouldn’t necessarily be today. Such a difference is short term though as at some point your dad will want to downsize or move on and the house will be sold. Now the new owners will be paying the full amount whereas the folks who bought today will have the “cheap” tax assuming they stay. And the cycle will repeat.

Quoted from chad:

No way I would live there. Some good people taking up residence, but to me that state is like a wound that spreads throughout the rest of the .USA.

Quoted from merccat:

I think this is one of the bigger factors in the market over the last decade or two.
It goes like this:
- Most people shop based on a monthly payment they can afford.
- There are two factors that determine that payment: a) how much you spend on a house and b) how much your interest rate is.
- You slash the interest rate and suddenly all the buyers across the entire market can afford more, a lot more actually. Depending on where they started in the market at minimum 75k more and probably on average about 150k more while keeping the exact same monthly payment.
- If all the buyers in the market can suddenly afford to spend 150k more without impacting their original budget.... well the market will react accordingly. Is that good or bad? The money is getting spent either way: it depends on who you would rather get it... the bank and their stockholders or the property owners/sellers.
- Here in CA the effect is amplified because we restrict new home construction and have area where there is literally no more space to build at all (SF).
Granted oversimplified and not the only factor but I think it is a significant one that people should be conscious of whether you are a buyer or a seller.

Quoted from Wickerman2:

This post and it’s upvote ratio tells you everything you need to know about pinside’s demographics. Right wingers on here whine all day about perceived political grievances when they make up 80% of pinside members. Projection.

Quoted from jeffro01:

Really? Come on... I haven't been around here a long time but I've been around long enough to know Pinside is absolutely anything but a liberal enclave. That doesn't make pinside bad and it doesn't make its membership bad either, it's just a fact. Trying to argue otherwise is intellectually dishonest at best.
Some of the themes in this thread are appalling and have absolutely zero fucking place on this forum. Period. I'd love to say more but I won't, this isn't the time or place and I wish some of you took that into consideration before you started typing.
Jeff

Quoted from fosaisu:

Utah, Idaho, and Nevada I get. But how do Californians do when they get to Texas? You'd think the god-awful humidity would kill 'em off within a season or two.

Quoted from Darkwing:

Knowledge shared by a guy I met in California... There are a million reasons to leave California, but the weather isn’t one of them

Quoted from tracelifter:

Actually my place in northern Az. Williams gets quite cold in the winter at 6,700 ft. it gets a bit more snow than my place here in Lake Arrowhead at 5,700 ft.
The snow is colder and drier in Az. but other than that basically the same weather.
It is 76 in Williams right now, 76 in Arrowhead.
Williams averages 74 inches of snow per year. The US average is 28 inches of snow per year.
Arrowhead gets less, 40-50 inches and it melts faster.

Quoted from tracelifter:

Not true.
We have basements here just not as many as back east/midwest.
My house has a basement and I would never live in a slab on grade home.
I grew up in one and they are hard on your back and knees.
Most homes up here have either a build up or a basement.

Quoted from JohnnyPinball007:

More like 12-18 months.

That can get expensive. In the Atlanta area even you get some crazy tree huggers that even though you have all the permits and the right to take down some trees, you may have to pay off duty police to arrest people trying to handcuff themselves to trees.
Trust me, I am in the construction trade, and I know a lot of crazy things you can run into.
With that said, I wish you the best of luck!
I hope everything goes 100% problem free and on budget for you!
BUT, if you go ahead and plan for every single thing to take twice as long, and cost twice as much...well, if things actually go as planned you will always be very happy.
BUT, if you stay a tad concerned about it, you will get by better if a problem/s happens.

Quoted from romulusx:

My midwestern woman is ok with Folgers and me every morning She would rather spend money on pins!
Coffee $108 per year
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Quoted from merccat:

This mornings air in the Valley... joy.
All the smoke is reducing our temps by about 10 degrees, so.... yay?
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Quoted from woody76:

OMG, Folgers is awful. I spend well over $108 per month for coffee. One thing I can't skimp on is coffee.

Quoted from woody76:

Then why are people fleeing CA and NY for places like TN and TX? In my neighborhood, the last 4 houses sold the new owners are from - 2 CA, 1 NY, and 1 OR. My mom just sold her house yesterday, guess what? NY native leaving the cesspool was his exact words. If you like it then do your thing, but the stats do not lie.

Quoted from GeekedOnPinball:

We have people leaving for sure.... but we also have plenty coming into the state. I live in Northern California less than an hour north of the Golden Gate Bridge. Our area is having crazy home price inflation from the people in the city coming to live here. We had a bad fire in 2017 and lost 5500 homes and only about half of those have been rebuilt. We haven't seen a mass exodus of people but have had a few people leave. Most of them were close to retirement and sold their expensive homes to move to another lower cost of living state for retirement. It's a plan I hear from a lot of people and have heard for years. You pay off your 1 million dollar plus bay area home and move to Texas, Utah, Tennessee, etc and pay cash for a house and the rest goes into your retirement savings. I've only known a couple people who left outside of this type of move.

Quoted from Elvishasleft:

really? the whole state is on a fault line and no Californians care?
I didnt get concerned because of the news.. I did because I went and looked at the aftermath of Northridge and was not far when it happened at 4 am or whatever it was. Google some pics of the highway system after that and then remind me that no one cared?
It wasnt even "the big one" and its still one of the costliest natural disasters in history.
All it took for me was one long talk with someone who studies these things for a living and I was done.

Quoted from Elvishasleft:

OK Ill clarify... any part of California I would live in is on a fault line or close enough.

Quoted from marlboroman:

As a child I was mesmerized by California..wooow the Golden State if only my parents can move there please please please... 40 years later how the narrative has changed ... Not even as a layover or connecting flight would I set foot in that pathetic State !

Quoted from marlboroman:

And the great State of Florida...

Quoted from QuickSilverShelby:

You'll have to forgive him. He's French. Low on manners and high on himself.
QSS

Quoted from marlboroman:

I guess you figured it out after 12 times

Quoted from marlboroman:

I actually was being truthful and nice calling the state of California Pathetic! Anyone can prove me otherwise with their welcomed opinion.

Quoted from romulusx:

I think California is a great state,with so much natural beauty.I think the problem is some of the political viewpoints that come from the politicians.It’s called the left coast for more then its orientation.Oregon has a lot of the same left views and look at it now.

Quoted from marlboroman:

Whatever ... defender her all you want facts are facts it’s a Bankrupt state! I could go on and on and on and on ...but I’ll stop here.

Quoted from usandthem:

I always hear about this mass exodus from California (strange to hear since the population keeps going up). You can't get a 1000 sq. foot ranch in the San Fernando valley near the 101 for under 800K. Must be desirable to a whole lot of people despite all of the Texas hype.
California is paradise. That's why so many people flock to it and why it is so expensive. The midwest is flyover country for a reason. I know. I live there.

Quoted from Steve_in_Escalon:

Dont forget, the Central Valley is more conservative than the Bay Area too.

Quoted from underlord:

Superglue it ya pansy. I’ve done much worse and kept working. You nine fingered snowflakes...

Quoted from Blitzburgh99:

Shouldn’t the California folks be powered down to conserve energy per the governor? How are all you guys/gals on pinside right now?

Quoted from zaphX:

Absolutely true. CA is paradise and the jobs are substantially better. The housing is the real bummer though. Pay 10x what it’s worth everywhere else.

Quoted from underlord:

I’ve patched up a broken toe with plaster of Paris, , broken rib with tightly wound bandages, glued my forehead back together at work. New Hampshire healthcare at its finest.
Sorry about the fires over there. That’s scary shit.

Quoted from zaphX:

I left a 2004 1940sq ft house that I bought new for 155k.
I rented a 1958 1722sq ft house until the owner decided to sell and offered it to me for 1.5M. I declined.
So for me it was around 10x more for a smaller and much less nice house.
When you start looking at 1.5M homes in Texas, the numbers change and you're probably looking at 4x for a comparable CA home.

Quoted from marlboroman:

do you think I give a shit what you think? Its obvious truth hurts for you.

Quoted from romulusx:

Maybe you can explain the continued violence and why your at it explain this wimp Mayor Wheeler

Quoted from marlboroman:

What a sad attempt to write/speak French you are waaaaay off. You know nothing about Montréal over taxed just like Cali, garbage, urine everywhere just like shit hole San Fransisco, potholes the size of a toilet bowl, <edited> careful what you wish for california !

Quoted from marlboroman:

I like that little disclaimer "my area"...lol In general California has gone down the tubes and I never had to continue trashing it nor proving it, just have a look at the posts from californians before this one and it says it all... uhh maybe 15% of it. The smart ones understood it and are fleeing to Texas.

Quoted from IdahoRealtor:

On vacation in ID right now. Mighty tempted to move here.

Quoted from Blitzburgh99:

Is that what makes the drivers so horrible? They love clogging up the passing lane. Gotta drive like Frogger to get anywhere in decent time.

Quoted from QuickSilverShelby:

You might want to read this: https://www.propublica.org/article/they-know-how-to-prevent-megafires-why-wont-anybody-listen?utm_source=pocket-newtab
Excellent article.
QSS

Quoted from wtuttle:

Funny when a guy, norcalrealtor, is "on vacation" ie: "climate refugee" but still disputes what's happening. Hope Idaho is treating you well.

Quoted from Elvishasleft:

Its not underwater but it has flooding issues that are just getting worse... I dont live there and even I know that.
Not to mention its on something like seven different fault lines so frankly does have a really good shot of being underwater someday.
If not from climate change then from earthquake.
I wouldnt expect someone selling real estate in the area to exactly promote these ideas of course.

Quoted from IdahoRealtor:

Shouldn't San Francisco be underwater by now according to Al Gore? You call it science. I call it politically driven scare-science which has been debunked many times.

You are quite presumptive and full of yourself.
Firstly, not in ID due to the fires. This trip has been planned for months.
Secondly, of course our corrupt, lying, teflon, scumbag governor is blaming the fires on "Climate Change." If you take him as an honest, stand-up guy I've got a bridge I can sell you. We have long-term forest mismagement, and little Antifa shits running around lighting new fires left and right, which the leftist media tried very strongly to suppress at first as it undermined the Climate Change narrative, and the "peaceful protestor" narrative. This wildfire arson is a type of alternative warfare that is truly evil and sickening.
But please do carry on as if you know better what's actually happening in my home state. You won't catch me talking out of my ass about Canada.

Quoted from Elvishasleft:

You are referring to the general earthquakes that happen all the time...
I am referring to the once every 200 years variety (now projected to be every 100 years and overdue) where all your building codes etc wont mean a thing.
I generally take geologists words for this in the same way I would if my doctor said I had a tumor... they study these things all day and I dont.
But I get it.. I liked living there too and its easier to just cross your fingers.

Quoted from metallik:

Miami is the city threatened most by rising seas, not SF.

Quoted from stumptown:

For someone who claims to be wise to propaganda you sure bit on a potent example of it if you believe "Antifa" is setting forest fires. Post your sources, we need some comedy in these dark times.

Quoted from stumptown:

Try harder next time.

Most people don't want to burn the places they live. What do you imagine the motive is here?

Quoted from stumptown:Easy. There isn't any.
Scary radicals setting fires intentionally in the woods for political reasons isn't a thing outside of hysterical Facebook threads.
No one wants a goddamn wildfire to torch half of their state, displace hundreds of thousands of people, and make the air poison for weeks.

Quoted from metallik:

It's overall much lower in elevation than SF, and it's impossible to protect with levees and dikes because the seawater will seep through the porous limestone ground instead and must be pumped out. Some areas already have serious issues with water levels at high tide.
One of many articles on the subject: https://www.businessinsider.com/miami-floods-sea-level-rise-solutions-2018-4

Quoted from metallik:

The vast majority of protesters are and were peaceful people carrying signs and ravaging nothing. Just as the vast majority of police are good and professional people who aren't racist and don't shoot citizens without proper cause.
The individuals on both sides who paint everyone with wide brushes suck and are a significant part of the problem.

Quoted from metallik:

"We" being your town? Google shows pleasanton to be over 300' above sea level, so yea, not happening to you anytime soon.

This is where you should dig your head out of the sand and do research, so you can debate from a place of knowledge instead of ignorance. You would then realize it wasn't poor planning or bad levee design; but actual *measured* sea level rise causing issues for Miami.
Or, you can continue to argue points you're "not sure" about. Up to you, but an educated populance tends to elect better leaders. Just sayin.

I agree this is 100% crap and should never have happened; neither the initial ambush nor the verbal abuse afterward. Again shows there's shitty people on both sides.

Quoted from tracelifter:

I live in a forest, evacuated for The Old Fire, and I stayed during The Slide Fire.
I went to a meeting sponsored by the forestry and the biologist told me after the meeting "The bark beetles are not going to wait while while we fight SOFA, Nature Conservancy and Sierra Club in court for 3-10 years".
It isn't "global warming" it's brainwashed fools who won't hear the science and lose their shit when they hear "old growth".
From 2003, they didn't listen then and now we are living the nightmare I was told about.
"Finally, each summer many wildland fire fighters lose their
life. In the days just prior to a hearing in Congressman
Walden's posted in Oregon last month, several battle weary fire
fighters lost their life while returning home late one evening
from fighting a wildfire. These are the tragic human and
environmental consequences of the West's forest health crisis.
Clearly, this disaster status quo is no longer acceptable.
That is why the House of Representatives passed the
bipartisan Healthy Forests Restoration Act earlier this summer.
This bipartisan bill would streamline the cumbersome
bureaucratic procedures that currently force many projects like
those desperately needed here in San Bernardino to endure a
decision making process that usually takes between three and 5
years. The slow-moving process is the primary reason that
Federal foresters treat only about 2 million of the 190 million
acres of forest lands at unnatural risk of wildfire each year.
When catastrophe is imminent, such a glacial decision making
process is wholly unacceptable. Our bipartisan legislation
takes a balance and thoughtful approach to fixing this
obviously broken process".
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CHRG-108hhrg89420/html/CHRG-108hhrg89420.htm

Quoted from stumptown:

Easy. There isn't any.
Scary radicals setting fires intentionally in the woods for political reasons isn't a thing outside of hysterical Facebook threads.
No one wants a goddamn wildfire to torch half of their state, displace hundreds of thousands of people, and make the air poison for weeks.

Quoted from fosaisu:

I wasn't saying that arsonists aren't responsible for some of these fires. Sadly that happens every year, alongside lighting strikes, carelessly tossed cigarettes, and untended campfires. Probably been that way since the dawn of time, but certainly over the course of my lifetime there seem to be wildfire arson reports every summer.
But you weren't just saying that arsonists started some of the fires, you were suggesting that left-wing anarchists are starting fires for political purposes. I don't see evidence of that in the two links you provided. Looked like a meth-head (politics unspecified) and a lady with a solid case of crazy-face (politics unspecified). I'm not saying it's impossible, a relatively small number of anarchist wing-nuts have cause a fair amount of property damage in America's cities this summer. But I am asking if your connection of wildfire arson to the anarchists is based on fact or speculation.

Quoted from fosaisu:

Who is denying any of that? I'm asking if there are documented cases of one or more of these idiots setting a fire for political purposes, which is what I thought norcalrealtor was saying in the first place.

Quoted from The_Dude_Abides:

Let’s remember Political discourse is not allowed on Pinside. Please respect that going forward in this thread.

Quoted from xsvtoys:

No new cars with combustion engines to be sold, not all cars with combustion engines banned. Which means I’ll get a shiny new 2034 combustion engine car which should be good for 10-15 years. After that I’ll be dead anyway.

Quoted from IdahoRealtor:

The school board president of our district just said last night he will likely keep the schools closed for the entire school year. So, distance learning all year. Are you kidding me? The school year just started.
The CA Teachers Association and the school boards are basically locking arms and refusing to go back to work. Apparently these assholes have deemed themselves non-essential and do not care about the kids, who are suffering big time. And don't get me started on the indoctrination.
Just one of the countless gripes I have with CA.

Quoted from frisbez:

I literally just said that the teachers I know at least are having to work longer hours to do distance learning. So yes, of course they are essential. I don't know why folks have decided that somehow teachers stopped working when they went to distance learning when the opposite is actually true.
It's clear that you and other posters in this thread aren't interested in reality but just want to bash teachers. I'm not going to waste any more time.

Quoted from metallik:

Ya think?

Teachers are already back to work, many working longer hours to deal with the new reality
Absolutely ridiculous of you to expect them to risk their lives just because you dislike distance learning. Typical "conservative" attitude.. fuck everyone else, fuck the risks they're taking; I'm entitled to what I want now.
If y'all's kids are suffering so much, why don't YOU as the kids' PARENTS do something about it instead of dumping it on the schools? Get with parents of your kids friends and arrange outings so they can still be social while being safe. You got that wonderful CA weather, take your kids out to enjoy it! You want to dump your problems on the government (schools) while at the same time whining about government-funded anything... some of y'all have zero shame LOL

Quoted from metallik:

Maybe the mods recognize legit questions when they see 'em? I wasn't not nice, I wasn't political. I do want to know why he doesn't seem to give a flying F about the safety of his kid's teachers. "Oh, the gas station attendants are also working?" Yes, they are. Enjoy the fact you don't have to choose between risking your life and feeding your family.