The reason I buy games are primarily because of the designer and code

Lyman and Keith are bank. Only pins I will ever buy now at release

For me the JJP hype train is back on track with Potc. Years of not desiring TH or DI had left me a bit cranky

There is a reason why Potc is so well received, the THEME has much more mass appeal, hence more sales, and Eric has done a fantastic job engineering an awesome layout

In today’s pinball world, at these prices, you have to check ALL the boxes

I have no desire to own a Toy Story but MUCH better theme than TH or DI so it’s possible

Why i would be interested in Willy Wonka? Partly because I have a blast playing the hugely successful slot machines along with my wife

If JJP ever gets Bond or Harry Potter or some other blockbuster current adult theme they could break some sales records!

It matters when you only do one a year versus 3 or 4

less than 20% of my original order of CE are unspoken for. Once people get a chance to see and play PotC at upcoming shows, I think they will be gone quickly. I haven't advertised it because I don't feel the need to.

The game speaks for itself. Besides that, how many JJP distributors are already advertising here? I have been putting my attention into getting new people into pinball. I recently did a booth (10x20) at a home remodel show here in Madison, WI and was amazes in how many people we so excited to see pinballs again. I had multiple people tell me that i had the best booth at the show. While I love pinside (and I do) there is no sense in all the distributors fighting over the same fish (you guys are fish in case you didn't know

Hope to see many of you over the course of the next couple months. I will for sure be at TPF and MGC. Still up in the air about RMPS.

Had zero interest in POTC but watching that video, I couldn't help be impressed by the engineering and coding. Want to try it now.

Also hope it's true JJP have the license for GnR.

QFT

Pipebomb

This is a good point.

Sounds a little like "I never noticed gas prices are increasing, since I always get $25 worth of fuel"

Not counting beer...

JJP creates high end pinball machines that are very well made. Are they expensive?? Yes. Are they marketed to the causal fan/collectors? No. They know their market and don’t cut corners. Every JJP machine I’ve played looks and plays amazing. It’s a premium experience

With those play numbers, NIB games didn't make financial sense at $4k either. So either you get some other benefit from owning games (like convenience and cheap beer costs) or you should save your quarters and play on location instead!

I'm jonesing hard for a new game and DI is on my radar. Can afford DI, but having hard time justifying the price.

If you have to justify the price, you can't really afford it. Every penny is in the machine. No corners cut. Just ignore the idiotic headphone jack placement at your knees.

Uh, wrong. I can easily afford it. I just don't know if it's worth it. ok, champ.

Get a huo used one for around 7500-8....

Most likely what I will do. You selling yours? I'll swing by Saturday with $$.

Good luck with that. There is literally ONE for sale around here, and it ain't going for 8...

Geez, man, I think he meant "it's worth it"; if you look at the machine you can see where every penny went. This isn't a wallet-waving contest

Lol i am not ... live jjp games and eventually its all i will own

There have been a few for around 8k... stll alot but better than 9k lol

We'll have an LE up for 7800 soon.

Some of the corners around the scoops have been cutting Clear Coat actually.

Not with the real Cliffies they're shipping with now, they haven't.

So are they going to reimburse us for the Cliffy's we had to buy?

Vireland, what's your opinion on cliffies and what do you think about the placement of the headphone jack?

Hold on a sec, I'll make a graph...

I don't agree with this way of looking at things.

I agree with this.

If you look at pins from a purely monetary perspective in terms of whether you are saving money over playing on location, no pin would be worth it. I play my pins a lot, and still probably only have about 2,000 plays on each of the newer ones (WOZ and Star Trek). There's no way I would break even over playing on location. The purpose of buying a pin is not to break even or save money, it is to have the convenience and pleasure of having one in your home, well maintained, and available to play whenever the moment strikes. It is to be able to have friends over and play with them (and see some salivate at your collection ). It is to fully get to know a pin and understand the rules. We pay for these benefits. All I was saying is that the incremental cost of selling one pin and buying another is affordable to me, and I'm willing to do it from time to time to get a fresh experience with a new pin. I'm not happy that prices are so high, but once I'm bought in, I'm largely bought in.

When you price it the way they do, you need to have "complexity" and "longevity", not "simplicity" as some would say.

You can't get tired of a $10k game in a hurry.

And as far as "location pinball" goes. The deeper it is, the more quarters you drop into the pin to get there.

Pay more, get more, that simple.

The kiddie school one time location players don't matter.

You really hate that. May I ask why? I think it's just fine there.

Because unless you have monkey arms, it's out of easy reach, especially compared to the WoZ/Hobbit placement right in the coin door. Also, on location it's TERRIBLE because it's the perfect height for little kids that like to play with buttons or jam whatever food or snot they have in convenient holes. It's a solution for a problem that didn't exist and is objectively less player friendly than the coin door placement they had.

But really, in 2018 why do we have physical jacks at all? Why not Bluetooth headphone connections?

Solution: Get the standard edition

We just don't have the courage.

Thanks for the explanation; as a home owner, I really hadn't considered the location operation aspects. And, I _do_ have what my wife refers to as cartoonishly long arms.

I have owned a number of different pins over the past 30 years and JJP makes the best I have seen. But, Chicago Gaming is a close second. If you consider the totality of JJP's product (game build, design, customer support, and associated products like the best manuals in the industry), I believe that JJP is fairly priced when compared to other manufacturers. Do I wish JJP's prices were lower? of course I do. I also think that they are really starting to gouge on the pricing of their LE's and CE's. I mean, the LE's and CE's are not that much different to justify the pricing differentials. But, all manufacturers are doing the same thing and charging whatever the market will bear. And, it is a 'hot market'. It is a given that other companies such Stern make some fun games but their products just are not up to the 'mark' of JPP and CGC. I think Stern, for example, needs to really improve its products and become competitive on both a product quality and price level. I really hoped they do and can exert some competition back into the pinball market place. Until they do, however, my "next pin" will be either a MBR or POTC. Admittedly, it will tough to absorb the price shock that will undoubtedly accompany that purchase. I try to rationalize my pinball purchases by telling myself that I buy my games as 'keepers' and so I am willing to invest a bit more to ensure that I will be getting a quality product. So far that is working but who knows for how much longer?

The value-add extras of the LE make that impossible with JJP. They have the most fairly-priced LEs out there with actual things you want.

It's a solution to the problem of the custom coin door costing 10x as much as a stock one, and also it prevented the use of a bill acceptor. It's in the lower left side of the cabinet because that's the only place it wasn't in the way of something else.

I mean, I've mentioned this to you multiple times and you just refuse to see that there's a perfectly reasonable explanation for why the headphone jack is where it is. You're like a dog with a bone on that one.

There is NO WAY, none, ZERO - that coin door cost 10x more with the headphone jack cut out of it. Total BS. If they got that quote it's time to cut that supplier loose. I've done a lot of manufacturing in China, and that just didn't happen in any reasonable scenario. A coin door from China is something like $40 (no idea what their quantities are, but it could be even less if they order a lot and warehouse it). You're saying that adding a jack cutout (we're not talking about the electronics, that's needed regardless of where the jack is placed) makes it $400? No. Nu-uh. If the cost of the jack placement coming in at 10x as much is the reason they ditched it, they need to get a new supply chain manager, they've failed at their job.

And the new cabinet jack placement objectively sucks for user convenience and on location with terrible kids that it's the perfect height for.

Low volume, and it's more custom than just the headphone cutout. But hey, you know better than them, clearly. I look forward to your new coin door design that costs the same as a regular door.

Even 1000 isn't THAT low volume, and given that Hobbit and WoZ are still using the better headphone placement in the door, they're clearly still buying them. Plus, the kicker is that they sold and are still selling those machines for LESS money with the "10x more expensive coin doors." Plus, Jack indicated in direct conversation I had with him last year that the headphone placement was what Pat wanted when I asked WHY it was moved to that god-awful placement. His response to my question about why Pat moved it - he simply shrugged (then I think he said something about Pat getting what he wants, but I'm not 100% sure on that part of the conversation, it was almost a year ago). From the horse's mouth, so cost was not the issue - it was Pat's design CHOICE.

And if cost were the issue (it's not - debunked above) for the coin door, then it SHOULD be a simple cutout for the headphone jack plate in the coin door instead of all those tiny holes drilled in the door for the lights, etc. Then that plate can be assembled in a separate universal process that works across all their machines. Plug that preassembled plate into the coin door receptacle above the lock and viola!

Hey, sure, I'll freelance design and manufacturing setup with my Chinese peeps for JJP, but I'm not doing it for free. And besides, JJP has an engineering team, so why is that even NECESSARY?

Call it what you want but 2500 of a pinball machine isn’t “limited”

Neither is 1000 or 500 for that matter

Calling my Afmrle limited is ridiculous, along with my Wozecle

I call it the truth ! ridiculous

This guy gets it.

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I hope a toy story le is not 10k, my son is excited for it next year.....that kind of money i am out...i have a woz and di...time will tell

There's a brief shot of it on one of the reveal videos. It's the Black Pearl ship in a giant bottle with the ocean and the ship (bottle?) gently rocks back and forth. Pretty neat, but the AfM LE one is still the best so far, hands down.

Top of my head

Radcals 400
Powdercoating around 500
plus Barnacles. lets say another 250
Topper...400? 500?

Not staring at Johnny Depp - priceless

I must be in the minority in that I prefer the look of the LE to the CE. No barnacles or the schlong faced dude to look at.

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The topper is just like the bottled Black Pearl from the last two movies including moving sea and lightning effects that make it looks like it storms inside. It tops the AFMLE topper for me personally (pun intended).

Good point. Too bad there isn't a Keira Knightley version of the playfield.