I hope not. It needs a lot of work if they do. One of the most overrated games out there. Rarity is the only thing driving the prices.

Better question would be are they ever going to finish the code to the game...or release any other polishing their other games

They should. I mean, his hobby is all about supply and demand. If you have a hit that's wanted, you don't have to worry about coming up with a whole new theme and concept and game. Just dig in, update the code that everyone wants, get them made and start selling them. All profit for JJP. It's a no brainer for them, like Stern's Vault Editions. Mho.

That inventory list is completely out of date by years. With that being said I hope JJP runs Pirates again and finally completes the code for the game.

Yup, not sure what has happened to code updates at JJP. Stern has taken the lead from JJP in terms of cranking out code updates. It's been over a year since JJP has released a public code update beyond a few smaller post launch updates for Toy Story.

I visited JJP 2 weeks ago and talked to Eric about pirates, they obviously keep things close to the chest, but he said that JJP is obviously aware of the demand and they are very keen on remaking Pirates.

The issue is not parts or materials, it’s the licensor. Disney is not easy to work with, that’s why Stern Star Wars is ugly as hell. That art was required by Disney, and they had like a shitload of certified “Star Wars” artists working on it.

Hopefully JJP can find space between their incredibly long production timelines to rerun POTC and Disney works with them to make it happen. It is a fantastic game, top 3 out of JJP.

(Not speaking on behalf of anyone, hopefully this isn’t misconstrued in any way)

It’s not. The game is junk as is. Needs to be polished for sure. If they take what you have said to heart and release an update, they will have a good game on their hands to rerelease.

POC can be great if JJP just polished the code.

Is anyone still buying JJP games? Those bastards don’t ever finish code. They can kick rocks.

You forgot about their playfield issues

No playfield issues with ts4. Mine is holding up on route. Highest earner with 12 others.

Also, 28 pages of the same question discussed in this thread:

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/will-jjp-make-more-potc#post-5052392

Speaking for myself - I love playing my Pirates. Such a great vibe and one of my favorite games!

Oof, that’s a stretch. Personally, I think it’s the worst JJP machine I’ve played. So clumsy.

JJP will not make this game ever again, just as they announced. It’s been way too much of a nightmare for them just trying to service the existing 1k. Many break down all the time. When they were released, no one wanted them according to JJP. They sat in warehouses for eons. Then JJP announced no more were being made, causing some collectors to finally become interested. They have no monetary motivation to work on a troubled game like POTC, with further code updates. On top of it all, it’s mb after mb, with not much of a difference between any of the character selections. Very boring game at best after 100 plays in and it’s a poor shooting game too. Ball meanders all over the place. One of JJPs worst designs.

I haven't gotten the chance to play this game as much as I'd like, but I've studied the code a lot and I think it's brilliant. The playfield is great too, of course. I'd like it if they remade it, finished the code, and added achievements through scorbit. Failing that, at least release the beta code that streamers have!

If they only could get the triple spinning disc working properly, but it won't happen.

Your timelines are too short given their track record.

JJP finally got things right with Toy Story 4 but does have a history of playfield issues affecting early builds. Below are the playfield issues by game to the best of my knowledge after buying all of their pins over the past 10 years.

Lesson: If possible make playfields like those on Hobbit (likely a no today sadly as there's been a move from silkscreen to digital printing), remove artwork around posts (Stern has done this as well), and as a customer wait 6 months before buying to prevent issues with early builds.

1. WOZ: Very early Bader made playfields didn't have mylar installed between the pops, in front of the back drop target, and around the State Fair pop bumper which caused playfield wear down to the wood in some cases. JJP later released mylar kits for games which prevented the wear (should have been installed at the factory), and eventually switched playfield manufactures (Bader to Micro). Sticker kits were offered to some owners where the playfield had worn down to the wood.

2. Hobbit: The only JJP game not to suffer from playfield issues across any build, easily the best playfield JJP ever made IMO. Hobbit may have been the last silkscreened Micro playfield that JJP used. Artwork is removed around pretty much every single post, something JJP later stopped doing for a while.

3. Dialed In: Early Dialed In's suffered from chipping at the SIM card and phone scoops, initial games didn't have protectors at these area. Later builds had JJP factory protectors installed which didn't work great, think they eventually switched to official Cliffy protectors for those two areas?

4. Pirates: Early build games suffered from severe pooling / chipping around posts, later builds didn't appear to be as affected

5. Wonka: Same as above, early build games suffered from pooling / chipping around posts. Final build games came with washers installed around troublesome posts to prevent the issue.

6. Guns and Roses: Same as Wonka with early build games suffering the most from pooling / chipping, including many CE builds. Starting in June / July of 2021 games started shipping with washers and a different type of posts in troublesome areas to prevent the issue.

7. Toy Story 4: No playfield issues reported, washers installed from factory (possibly using same post combo as GNR), and artwork finally removed again around many posts.

Only the CE playfield, please!

Seems like this game had a black cloud over its head since release. From the outrage of three disc vs two to part shortages, warranty issues, the list goes on and on. I think it is a decent game but not great. Seems like JJP lost their shorts on that one-I still think it is one of the most stunning games visually.

Interesting. Did you play a Pirates on route or in a home collection?

I've owned five JJP games and played all but Toy Story 4. I think they're all great games and fun to play (especially at home), but if I could only have one, it would be Pirates.

I see the same usual suspects bashing this game in every thread and giving eachother thumbs ups. This is the best JJP, imo, and one of my favorite games overall despite me being meh on the theme. It still plays like a JJP and some people just can't get past that. Aside from that, I'm not sure what more you could want from a widebody pinball except for the needed code update that everyone is aware of at this point. Pirates is something special.

IDK why companies just don't simply lay down full plexiglass playfield protectors at the factory. Use clear playfield washer protectors under every post that touches the playfield, then lay down the plexi plafield protector. Then assemble the playfield. Do that and playfields will stay pristine for decades and thousands of plays. And if your playfield protector should become scratched, marred, cracked or just hazey and dull, or whatever else you can think of, it can be changed out with a new one. Sure that's a pain and a bunch of work, but at least it can be done and your playfield will stay day 1 factory new.

Don't talk about cost either. These factories could score major bulk order deals on 1/8th inch thick, super clear plexi glass sheets. Then, have the machine that routes out the playfield wood do the same to the plexi. How much could it cost them per each machine... $25 or $30? They don't even have to charge more for a machine to do it. Why? Cause it will save them tons of money on having to deral with playfield issues under the warranty and worst case scenarios where they have to replace playfields like JJP has had to do in many cases. It should behoove them to do this. And if not... add $100 dollars to a machines cost. It's well worth it.

Idk, seems like a no brainer to me.

Ok, straight up: that is a terrible statement. Comparing JJPOTC to MM is like comparing quality between Walmart clothing to Tom Ford suits.

100% this. The theme integration is excellent - it took a LOT for me to finally sell mine.. and 4+ years of no code updates finally exhausted me. I don’t know what is going on at JJP but I was hoping for an astonishing overhaul like Keith and Ted (I feel like I’m forgetting someone) did on Hobbit. Despite some of the best mechs ever, in any game, the code never materialized. Seems like there’s a greater chance of Stern doing a Spike 2 LOTR than this ever appearing again.

Maybe it’s just me but I don’t like Playfield protectors (insert sex with condom analogy) IMHO games don’t play quite the same with a protector and there are other things like the playfield art isn’t as sharp ect. I guess it’s like my grandmas old couch, the thing was pristine after 20 years because of the plastic protector but I never wanted to sit on it because it wasn’t comfortable (Couch analogy). I Would rather have a comfortable couch that I enjoyed using for 20 years and wore out than one that lasted forever because I didn’t want to sit on it.
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Peyper did that.

Dust and dirt gets under the plexiglass and acts like sandpaper.

LTG : )

Yep, and even with Hobbit it took 2 years for them to deliver the overhaul. You'd think JJP should be embarrassed about their inability to deliver reasonably timely code updates on games, especially when they average over a year between new releases.

But at this point it's pretty apparent they just don't care to prioritize it. They take the sales money and move on.

And it's not like the code in their games is so amazing at release that they really don't need updates. Hobbit and Wonka got their really big needed changes, and both took over 2 years to happen. And both GnR (over 2 years old now) and POTC (over 4 years old) are still in need of updates but as usual it's radio silence from the JJP code department.

I was told by two credible sources that the game won't be reproduced for two reasons- cost to manufacture is too high, and cost for the Disney licensure has gotten too great. Of course who knows what the future holds but I wouldn't hold my breath.

Makes sense why they don't bother, why would they? heck they sell thousands of the last couple games with nowhere near the playfield features that POTC offered. It's a great game but with pinballl hotter than ever, seems like they would rather crank out lessor games at a lower cost.

They do need to finish the code at least!!

I'm not sure why the method Williams used on Slugfest never caught on long term. They had a wood PF with a thick (at least 3/16) plexi top covering the whole thing and attached to it. No way for dirt to get in. To this day, any Slugfest you find will have a perfect PF. Just needs a good buff/wax. I imagine it would play differently, though.

We all have friends and a little inside knowledge.
There is no way in hell this game will ever, ever, be remade.
We all can dream, there are just better dreams to hope for.
JJP has way to much on their plate right now.
A game coming soon, and 3 more in development that will take 2 to 3 years to produce.
So a Pirates in 2027 isn't going to happen.

My Bally Elektra still looks amazing from factory with the plexy cover over main level.
Somehow it really worked for this pin.