Is it normal to have a new PF have planking?

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Is it normal to have a new PF have planking?


By Fordiesel69

12 months ago



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    #1 12 months ago

    When helping with the unboxing of a friends new stern, I noticed the plywood texture is very easily seen thru the artwork and clear coat. Almost how an old planked EM looks when it is worn thru but of course it is brand new so no wear has occured.

    Is this OK to leave alone and in a home use only it should be good, or is there a quality issue that may need addressed?

    I will try to get some pics to post when I go over tonight to update the game code, and of course get his permission to post further details.

    #2 12 months ago

    Can you feel the texture of the planking with your finger nail or is it smooth?

    A NIB game absolutely should not have true planking where the wood grain is raising and expanding.

    Got pics?

    #3 12 months ago

    It's not OK in my house and my complaining to Stern fell on deaf ears. Eventually sold the game at a loss because it really bothered me. Same issue is present with a couple of new AFM Remake's that I've seen.

    #4 12 months ago

    I'll have to look at my met pro pf, but I think you can see some wood texture.

    #5 12 months ago

    I have seen this before, but it is not present on my last 2 NIB purchases this past year. I know a pinside member posted about his NIB AC/DC Pro Vault that had this visual on his playfield. I do not believe it is planking, but can certainly understand why people would be upset about it.

    #6 12 months ago

    Yes you can feel the texture with a finger nail. The surface is not bothersome cosmetically, I was wondering if the durability would be an issue.

    #7 12 months ago

    This is an industry standard now. You will see this condition in a lot of NIB games from CGC and Stern. I have seen many. It seems to bother some and not others. I personally feel that if you lay down 8k on a NIB game and open the box and notice this, you should put it back in the box and send it back to the dealer!

    #8 12 months ago
    Quoted from Fordiesel69:

    Yes you can feel the texture with a finger nail. The surface is not bothersome cosmetically, I was wondering if the durability would be an issue.

    It depends on who you talk to... I guess we will see in 10 years...

    #9 12 months ago
    Quoted from Fordiesel69:

    Yes you can feel the texture with a finger nail. The surface is not bothersome cosmetically, I was wondering if the durability would be an issue.

    If you can feel the texture, it likely will wear unevenly and be an issue long-term. There's lots of crappier playfield wood being used nowadays with more pronounced grain. They like to call the effect "ribbing" but it's really more like planking-lite. Planking is usually the result of environmental conditions with the wood expanding and contracting from humidity changes. The new "ribbing" effect on current playfields is there from the start and usually not due to environmental conditions after the fact.

    It seems like more aggressively sanding the PF blanks pre-screen and clearcoat would substantially reduce or eliminate these problems, but that's just a guess. I have no idea how this became acceptable to populate and ship.

    #10 12 months ago
    Quoted from Fordiesel69:

    Yes you can feel the texture with a finger nail. The surface is not bothersome cosmetically, I was wondering if the durability would be an issue.

    I've seen some new pfs where you could see the wood grain slightly, but never one where you could feel it through the clear. Sounds like it'll wear

    #11 12 months ago

    I've seen the planking on several NIB Sterns in the past. I recall seeing ALOT of BBH with planking. Same was true on first run IM. I haven't seen it on recent Sterns, but there was a period where it seemed to be an issue.

    #12 12 months ago

    planking? or wavy clear?

    #13 12 months ago
    Quoted from TKDalumni:

    planking? or wavy clear?

    It's wood grain.

    #14 12 months ago

    I had the same thing on my CPR gold fathom Playfield. I paid to have it sanded and recleared. Ribbing is a good word for it, it looks light a light plank through the whole field, my restorer said it was an issue with the drying of their clear. It clearly wasn't in the screen and only in the clearcoat.

    #15 12 months ago
    Quoted from nikpinball:

    I had the same thing on my CPR gold fathom Playfield. I paid to have it sanded and recleared. Ribbing is a good word for it, it looks light a light plank through the whole field, my restorer said it was an issue with the drying of their clear. It clearly wasn't in the screen and only in the clearcoat.

    This is what I'm thinking it is...would help to see a pic.

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    #16 12 months ago

    If it's a stern it's normal. 2 kiss LEs set up in my distributors showroom were like this.
    My iron man vault was slightly woodgrain.

    My friends metallica pro led was like this as well.

    Just crap, send it back or get a replacement if you can. But more than likely it's on par with what Stern deems acceptable.

    I stopped buying after GB for all the QC issues for this and other quality reasons.

    It's sad when a 20+ year old routed pin cleaned up has a nicer playfield than a freshly opened NIB.

    #17 12 months ago

    If it was not for the sales tax to pay i think everyone should buy New out of Box and give these games a good inspection before you pay .Manufacturers will then up the QC when they get a bunch of sub par games sitting around nobody wants to pay for ,just my 2 cents

    #18 12 months ago
    Quoted from plowpusher:

    If it was not for the sales tax to pay i think everyone should buy New out of Box and give these games a good inspection before you pay .Manufacturers will then up the QC when they get a bunch of sub par games sitting around nobody wants to pay for ,just my 2 cents

    Amen! Well said.

    #19 12 months ago
    Quoted from erak:

    It's sad when a 20+ year old routed pin cleaned up has a nicer playfield than a freshly opened NIB

    Its not sad, Its an abomination!

    #20 12 months ago

    Pictures!

    #21 12 months ago

    Cpr playfield. You can see the grain through the clear. In fact, you can see the veneer seams prominently as well. This one was sanded and recleared. BE414F2C-143B-4295-A401-C44E2D44786F (resized).jpeg494919F2-C59E-4E04-AE83-1054B5E9C2A2 (resized).jpegA54AF87C-B423-4D84-B5BE-312C74EEEF47 (resized).jpeg1D861FE4-B8CD-4F29-BECD-0DEC5239D817 (resized).jpeg05474974-7A16-4216-BDF5-53DBBE57D050 (resized).jpeg

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    #22 12 months ago

    Here is a quote from someone who knows his stuff!

    'There are 2 effects on pf's.
    The first I call ribbed. It is on most sterns and IPB. IT is caused
    from the wood not being fully cured when it was printed and cleared.
    The ribbed look takes a couple of months to show up. It is simply
    cheap wood, that is not dry. ( I was a cabinet maker for 15 years)
    The other effect is planking. This is the actual cracking of the paint
    and clear. Your finger nails will get stuck in planking, not ribbing.
    All of my IPB pf's are ribbed for the most part, and my CPR BK is
    ribbed really bad. I have examined hundreds, maybe thousands of pf's
    and not one bally williams pf has the ribbed effect.
    There ya go kids. You would be suprised how many people confuse the 2.
    Both suck!
    ron kruzman'

    #23 12 months ago

    Thanks Ron really appreciate what you do for the hobby. Is this “ribbing” acceptable for a NIB game today in your opinion?

    #24 12 months ago
    Quoted from Shapeshifter:

    cheap wood, that is not dry

    This is the important part. Basically the crappier PF wood that's caused the epidemic of ribbed playfields is more semi-hidden cost reductions.

    #25 12 months ago

    I think we need a new word to describe this situation. RIB-GATE

    #26 12 months ago

    So people are complaining that wood looks like...wood? I hope vid1900 will share his opinion here.

    #27 12 months ago

    Not exactly. When your clear coat wood you make it look like plastic. The problem is the plastic looks like wood.

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    #28 12 months ago

    Man I just don’t know what you guys are going on about. I’ve owned several newer sterns and played hundreds and I’ve never noticed any of what you are discussing.

    I think it’s a combo of better eyesight and looking too hard for problems. Everybody wants to be the one to discover the next “ghosting.”

    #29 12 months ago

    I tend to agree. Minor ribbing wouldn’t bother me too much since it is usually only noticeable if you are actively searching for it, and I doubt it will cause long term problems. Probably a variant since wood is an organic product. Ghosting, on the other hand, would bother me since it is unsightly and can definitely cause premature playfield wear.

    #30 12 months ago

    You heard Kruz Ribbed Play fields SUCK!
    Good enough for me...

    #31 12 months ago

    Buying a pf these days is like condom shopping; do you want ribbed, dimpled, or extra thin?

    #32 12 months ago

    Here's our replacement sw playfield

    Pretty much all the inserts are raised also

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    #33 12 months ago
    Quoted from Monster_Bash:

    Here's our replacement sw playfield
    Pretty much all the inserts are raised also

    Yikes! Now that would bother me. Forget what I said above since I obviously am wrong about this.

    #34 12 months ago

    Daaaaamnnnn......

    #35 12 months ago

    That's a Stern for you. Don't get me started again about the wonderful wood Stern uses for their cabinets and playfields.

    #36 12 months ago

    Whether this is acceptable or not to people is a personal thing, but one thing it is not is isolated. This is a common playfield finish that is not considered an error or a reason to send back a new machine. Many thousands of machines have PFs like this. Sure, avoid it if you want when buying used, but expect it in one out of every four at least new machines, and it has been like that for years.

    #37 12 months ago

    Hey Spooky owners... having playfield issues???

    #38 12 months ago
    Quoted from Skins:

    Cpr playfield. You can see the grain through the clear. In fact, you can see the veneer seams prominently as well. This one was sanded and recleared.

    That looks like ribbing on your new stern playfield.

    It shouldnt affect game play, clearcoat is pretty hard stuff, but it might collect dirt like ball tracking.
    I would try to buff down the worst parts and lay down some wax on it if you cant get a resolution.
    It might be ok after that.

    Not all commercial playfields are perfect but mostly they wear ok and settle down after a couple thousand plays.

    Framed wall art is another story.

    #39 12 months ago
    Quoted from notime2play:

    That's a Stern for you. Don't get me started again about the wonderful wood Stern uses for their cabinets and playfields.

    Yeah my worse luck was CGC AFMr it was planking not ribbing.

    #40 12 months ago

    JJP owners any issues? Mine were both great!

    #41 12 months ago
    Quoted from Onwallst:

    Yeah my worse luck was CGC AFMr it was planking not ribbing.

    Did you send in a ticket or contact the distributor?

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    #42 12 months ago

    Here we go again. Can we just wait a few days and let stern update their manuals to say planking is normal on pfs next to the ghosting is normal text.

    #43 12 months ago
    Quoted from Eskaybee:

    Here we go again. Can we just wait a few days and let stern update their manuals to say planking is normal on pfs next to the ghosting is normal text.

    I think ghosting is a problem as the clear hasnt bonded to the inserts. It will ultimately shatter and crater off.
    I would replace the playfield for ghosting.

    For ribbing, you never know it could shrink down after awhile with the ball rolling on it. My car clear took a year to finally cure to rock hard.

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    #44 12 months ago
    Quoted from Eskaybee:

    Here we go again. Can we just wait a few days and let stern update their manuals to say planking is normal on pfs next to the ghosting is normal text.

    Page 2, Paragraph 4

    “Your playfield may have the appearance of 2003 Bea Arthur’s skin. This is normal.”

    #45 12 months ago
    Quoted from Onwallst:

    JJP owners any issues? Mine were both great!

    Chipping on Dialed In, but I haven't seen ribbing on any of their playfields.

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    #46 12 months ago
    Quoted from Eskaybee:

    Here we go again. Can we just wait a few days and let stern update their manuals to say planking is normal on pfs next to the ghosting is normal text.

    Here we go again?

    This has been going for years and “thousands of machines” and nobody has noticed or cared.

    My guess is that playfield looks and plays fine when your eyeball isn’t 3 inches away from the wood with bright light shining directly on it.

    #47 12 months ago

    Ribbed for your pleasure

    #48 12 months ago
    Quoted from Eskaybee:

    Here we go again. Can we just wait a few days and let stern update their manuals to say planking is normal on pfs next to the ghosting is normal text.

    I was told that the ghosting and chipping is mostly due to the clearcoat being too hot (of a reaction for the curing), and that using slower cure gives better results. They're using fast clear curing and it's causing the chipping and ghosting problems seen in the last 4 or 5 years.

    #49 12 months ago

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    #50 12 months ago
    Quoted from vireland:

    Chipping on Dialed In, but I haven't seen ribbing on any of their playfields.

    Its’s impossible to see any playfield defects in normal play, because the game is so dark. I really can’t believe they’re still using the same lighting system as they did in WoZ.

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