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I am just curious since it seems everyone in every thread is talking about how someone is going to sue someone else for doing something... examples, the nucore pirate version thread, the non ghosting WMS rom patcher, the stern firmware editor etc etc
I know some good examples like the takedown notice happy guy from gottlieb that has managed to help keep gottliebs fairly worthless
so is everyone here a lawyer or is everyone here just really trying to shoot everyone in the foot?
Quoted from Pinballdad:These posts are usually from the, "Shit starter" clan that hangs out around pinside. These folks are always ready to Pounce on a non-clan member for just about anything. Try to ignore them.
Nice collection by the way. I'm in St. Pete for awhile, wish I could drive down to check them out?
feel free, some are at the house, some are on location at an arcade down here, if you let me know ahead of time I can try and meet you there and we can play some games
shoot me a message
Quoted from lladnip:while your inviting people over can i come move in- i take little space, a closet will do- love FL this time of year.
LOL I would offer but I live in a small apartment full of pins 
Quoted from PW79:Where is Stern editor thread?
I can't find it & want an ACDC with Highway to Hell swapped out with something else.
http://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/acdc-display-and-modify-dot-matrix-images
and another question about nucore, a lot of people talk about how hard it was to license from B/W
but why license anything? as long as you dont use any B/W code or distribute the roms what can they possibly do to you?
you think MAME got permission from Atari/Data East/Bally/Williams/Gottlieb/Namco/etc etc?
or PinMAME got permission from B/W/DE/Sega/Stern/Gottlieb? I doubt it very much
Quoted from girloveswaffles:Not just code. The also own all their artwork and sound files.
ya but if you don't include the roms there is no art or sounds...
just like every other emulator MAME/PinMAME/console emulators etc etc
Quoted from awarner:I don't know much, but I know this: NuCore requires both RFM and SWE1 ROMs. Now you would just think, no problem, they are on pinball.com (aka Planetary Pinball). But those are just patches to the masked EPROMs inside the P2k prism card. You need those ROMs to even get started. It's apparent that NuCore had a deal with WMS/IPB/TPF to supply the ROMs via a redirect from the NuCore site to Pinball.com.
NuCore was dependent on the full ROM package being available to work. We don't know why NuCore was made to stop making kits, but it happened about the same time that Planetary Pinball took over the WMS rights from TPF. Coincidence or whatever it appears the events are related but I'm just guessing. For all we know IPB could have pulled out.
Pinbox stirred the pot. I think if NuCore gets produced again, it will sell. If it takes a long time to sell, people with dark machines will be desparate enough to search out the less than legal alternative.
My opinions are my own. My facts can be documented.
Al
I don't disagree with you, but again, MAME makes a piece of software that emulates arcade machines, where you get the roms is not their problem
if they make/distribute "nucore" without any roms and say "where you get the roms is your problem, feel free to read the masked roms from your legally owned PRISM board that belongs to your machine" then they would be in the clear
the fact that the roms are available from less legitimate sources on the internet is not the problem of the developer ex MAME
Quoted from girloveswaffles:Am I a Lawyer? No. But Common sense says you don't sell or freely distribute someone else's software or other copyrighted / patented / licensed products without permission.
but if nucore/B/W is not producing a product how are they being hurt?
if people can edit their stern roms to change the music or something, how is that Stern's concern?
thats like saying that cd player manufacturers are going to be concerned about people burning disks... no they don't care they already sold you the player (except once again for the gottlieb guy who just wants to pee in everyones cereal)
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