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Is everyone in Pinside a lawyer?


By flecom

6 years ago



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    #51 6 years ago
    Quoted from Hwawonyu:

    Not a lawyer but I have needed and used them on several occasions to which I was very grateful ; )

    That's good to hear.

    One reason that so many people dislike attorneys is that even if you need one, it means that you are in a bad situation at the time.

    #52 6 years ago
    Quoted from hassanchop:

    i don't know that story. care to tell us?

    This will tell you everything you need to know: http://www.ipdb.org/gottlieb_cease.html

    #53 6 years ago
    Quoted from RobT:

    it means that you are in a bad situation at the time.

    Best time to like and have a lawyer if you ask me.

    Edit: Allegedly

    #54 6 years ago

    One came in pretty handy for me once.

    #55 6 years ago
    Quoted from RobT:

    One reason that so many people dislike attorneys is that even if you need one, it means that you are in a bad situation at the time.

    That, and they cost lots of money.

    #56 6 years ago

    Justice is always for sale to the highest bidder

    Its America!

    Work, earn, save & buy your way out of almost anything!

    I cant believe how cheap integrity is to diffuse.

    If I get a ticket for speeding & offer the cop $250 to let me go its bribery. If I go to court & give the county $250 its like it never happened lol.

    Same seems true for a bajillion other offenses, ask Wall Street!

    #57 6 years ago
    Quoted from PW79:

    Justice is always for sale to the highest bidder
    Its America!
    Work, earn, save & buy your way out of almost anything!
    I cant believe how cheap integrity is to diffuse.
    If I get a ticket for speeding & offer the cop $250 to let me go its bribery. If I go to court & give the county $250 its like it never happened lol.
    Same seems true for a bajillion other offenses, ask Wall Street!

    Depending on the state you're speeding in and the state you reside in; paying the COuNty could result in a driving record entry meaning it is better to pay the bribe if your insurance rates will go too high.

    Some states do not report back to your home state. They simply are generating revenue & profits; Read: Ohio and Pennsylvania. However, Pennsylvania has a pact with Maryland where they do recipricate driving records. PA does not with other states for some reason nor does Ohio. I *may* have some experience with the speeding enforcement divisions inthes states. I'll never forget when the Ohio Trooper was standing in the middle of the freeway as I crested a hill motioning me to pull over; When he came up to my car he said: "91 in a 55 by aircraft". All I did was pay my fine (on the spot, Visa and MC accepted) and there was no entry on my driving record.

    #58 6 years ago
    Quoted from o-din:

    That, and they cost lots of money.

    Not necessarily. Depending on the type of case, you might not have to pay a dime up front as they will take the case on a Contingency Fee basis. You don't prevail in the suit, you don't pay.

    #59 6 years ago
    Quoted from RobT:

    You don't prevail in the suit, you don't pay.

    Then I'm glad I've found a good lawyer, if I should ever need one.

    #60 6 years ago

    Where is Stern editor thread?

    I can't find it & want an ACDC with Highway to Hell swapped out with something else.

    #61 6 years ago
    Quoted from o-din:

    Then I'm glad I've found a good lawyer, if I should ever need one.

    #62 6 years ago

    I actually have been defended by an actual literal lawyer.

    #63 6 years ago
    Quoted from MrBally:

    This will tell you everything you need to know: http://www.ipdb.org/gottlieb_cease.html

    ahhh... so that's why there's no gottlieb manuals up there

    #64 6 years ago
    Quoted from lladnip:

    while your inviting people over can i come move in- i take little space, a closet will do- love FL this time of year.

    LOL I would offer but I live in a small apartment full of pins

    Quoted from PW79:

    Where is Stern editor thread?
    I can't find it & want an ACDC with Highway to Hell swapped out with something else.

    http://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/acdc-display-and-modify-dot-matrix-images

    and another question about nucore, a lot of people talk about how hard it was to license from B/W

    but why license anything? as long as you dont use any B/W code or distribute the roms what can they possibly do to you?

    you think MAME got permission from Atari/Data East/Bally/Williams/Gottlieb/Namco/etc etc?

    or PinMAME got permission from B/W/DE/Sega/Stern/Gottlieb? I doubt it very much

    #65 6 years ago
    Quoted from flecom:

    LOL I would offer but I live in a small apartment full of pins

    http://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/acdc-display-and-modify-dot-matrix-images
    and another question about nucore, a lot of people talk about how hard it was to license from B/W
    but why license anything? as long as you dont use any B/W code or distribute the roms what can they possibly do to you?
    you think MAME got permission from Atari/Data East/Bally/Williams/Gottlieb/Namco/etc etc?
    or PinMAME got permission from B/W/DE/Sega/Stern/Gottlieb? I doubt it very much

    Not just code. The also own all their artwork and sound files.

    #66 6 years ago
    Quoted from PW79:

    Justice is always for sale to the highest bidder
    Its America!
    Work, earn, save & buy your way out of almost anything!

    Lawyers can't erase bad facts. They can try to limit the exposure, but no amount of money will get you out of a bad case. Money will pretty much never buy you a sure thing.

    The cost of doing business is unfortunate. Lawyers these days are built for high dollar problems. Unless you've got $5000 to $10,000 minimum in controversy it's usually not worth the expense (unless you've got an attorney's fee provision in your contract, other argument for fees, and a defendant with deep pockets). A lawyer can't even really afford to put maximum effort into a case unless 10s or 100s of thousands of dollars are at stake, or serious crimial reprocussions.

    For something like a speeding ticket, it's insane to hire a lawyer. If you want to try to get out of something like that, show up in court and ask about taking a defensive driving course in instead of the conviction. Community service can sometimes work too. The worst case scenario is that you pay a fine, which is less than the cost of a lawyer. If its going to make your insurance go banannas or something, then it could be worth the expense, but that can be a close call as well.

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    #67 6 years ago
    Quoted from gambit3113:

    There are at least 4 other attorneys that I know of on these boards - most are very active posters. TigerLaw is even a mod.

    TigerLaw spends so much time on here, he is either perpetrating or really suck at what he does.

    I know that his football team sucks. Roll Tide!

    #68 6 years ago
    Quoted from girloveswaffles:

    Not just code. The also own all their artwork and sound files.

    ya but if you don't include the roms there is no art or sounds...

    just like every other emulator MAME/PinMAME/console emulators etc etc

    #69 6 years ago
    Quoted from Skypilot:

    What do you get when you put 50 lawyers in a room with 50 lesbians?
    One hundred people who don't do dick.

    That's the best lawyer joke I have heard in a long time. I fell out of my chair laughing.

    #70 6 years ago

    Most of the lawyers here are probably at least as good as this guy.

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    #71 6 years ago

    Everyone on the internet is a lawyer, not just pinside. You didnt know?

    #72 6 years ago

    IANAFDBL

    F'enDirtBag

    j/k..

    really, I am one.

    #73 6 years ago

    so how many of the lawyers here are IP attorneys?

    #74 6 years ago
    Quoted from flecom:

    LOL I would offer but I live in a small apartment full of pins

    http://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/acdc-display-and-modify-dot-matrix-images
    and another question about nucore, a lot of people talk about how hard it was to license from B/W
    but why license anything? as long as you dont use any B/W code or distribute the roms what can they possibly do to you?
    you think MAME got permission from Atari/Data East/Bally/Williams/Gottlieb/Namco/etc etc?
    or PinMAME got permission from B/W/DE/Sega/Stern/Gottlieb? I doubt it very much

    I don't know much, but I know this: NuCore requires both RFM and SWE1 ROMs. Now you would just think, no problem, they are on pinball.com (aka Planetary Pinball). But those are just patches to the masked EPROMs inside the P2k prism card. You need those ROMs to even get started. It's apparent that NuCore had a deal with WMS/IPB/TPF to supply the ROMs via a redirect from the NuCore site to Pinball.com.

    NuCore was dependent on the full ROM package being available to work. We don't know why NuCore was made to stop making kits, but it happened about the same time that Planetary Pinball took over the WMS rights from TPF. Coincidence or whatever it appears the events are related but I'm just guessing. For all we know IPB could have pulled out.

    Pinbox stirred the pot. I think if NuCore gets produced again, it will sell. If it takes a long time to sell, people with dark machines will be desparate enough to search out the less than legal alternative.

    My opinions are my own. My facts can be documented.

    Al

    #75 6 years ago
    Quoted from Skypilot:

    What do you get when you put 50 lawyers in a room with 50 lesbians?
    One hundred people who don't do dick.

    Quoted from Skypilot:

    Q: What do you have when 100 lawyers are buried up to their necks in sand?
    A: Not enough sand.

    Quoted from Skypilot:

    Q: What do you have when 100 lawyers are buried up to their necks in sand?
    A: Not enough sand.

    What do you call a bus full of lawyers going off a cliff with one empty seat? A dam shame.

    #76 6 years ago
    Quoted from gambit3113:

    I literally am a lawyer.

    Off with your head.

    #77 6 years ago
    Quoted from Hwawonyu:

    Best time to like and have a lawyer if you ask me.
    Edit: Allegedly

    Didn't you get the ONLY set of pictures AND the negatives in the settlement? You're good!

    #78 6 years ago
    Quoted from o-din:

    Most of the lawyers here are probably at least as good as this guy.

    Most lawyers are probably only any good because of guys like this. In this case its Perry's private dick Paul Drake. Circling back to the lesbian joke - I guess Perry was good because he dealt with at least one dick. But if it weren't for dicks (profession kind, not anatomical), expert witnesses, etc, lawyers would be somewhat limited in their abilities.

    #79 6 years ago
    Quoted from Noahs_Arcade:

    Isn't it funny how the USPTO has been bastardized to the polar opposite of its intended purpose?
    I am disgusted with the way creativity is stifled for the sake of profit. Ben Franklin had it right.

    This goes for pretty much everything in government. What's the latest medical medical you can think of, insulin? The FDA is worse, bringing in the pocket of pharma no new miracle drugs will ever be released. There probably is a cure for cancer, but we'll never know because the government would lose too much money on the deal.

    Innovation is stiffled today, except for where it doesn't really benefit mankind, like the space program or cars. While interesting, it is of no benefit for us today.

    #80 6 years ago

    Most lawyers are probably only any good because of guys like this. In this case its Perry's private dick Paul Drake

    That's what I get for trying to be funny while all liquored up. I got the wrong dick.

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    #81 6 years ago

    I'm not a lawyer but if I were...

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    #82 6 years ago

    You don't need a criminal lawyer, you need a criminal lawyer.
    (Breaking Bad)

    #83 6 years ago
    Quoted from The_Director:

    I'm a law school drop out...literally

    You could sue to get the tuition back~

    #84 6 years ago
    Quoted from Pinballdad:

    These posts are usually from the, "Shit starter" clan that hangs out around pinside. These folks are always ready to Pounce on a non-clan member for just about anything. Try to ignore them.
    Nice collection by the way......

    I agree.

    #85 6 years ago
    Quoted from Pinballdad:

    These posts are usually from the, "Shit starter" clan

    I refuse to become a member of this "clan". I hail from the "clan of the cave bear". th-13.jpeg

    #86 6 years ago

    Am I a Lawyer? No. But Common sense says you don't sell or freely distribute someone else's software or other copyrighted / patented / licensed products without permission.

    #87 6 years ago
    Quoted from girloveswaffles:

    Am I a Lawyer? No. But Common sense says you don't sell or freely distribute someone else's software or other copyrighted / patented / licensed products without permission.

    Common sense goes a long way. Too bad so many people don't have any of it. Post something with common sense and people think you are an attorney!

    #88 6 years ago

    I am happy and fortunate to say I am not!!

    #89 6 years ago

    My cousin vinny maybe? Great movie if he can pull it off we can all be lawyers show me your house then ill belieive your a lawyer. They usually have big house with nothing in them because there to busywith work they usually won't have kids or wifes or husbands no time for that.

    #90 6 years ago

    I have several good lawyer friends, but here goes anyway.

    Did you know that you can get pregnant from an*l sex? Yes. That's where attorneys come from.

    #91 6 years ago
    Quoted from awarner:

    I don't know much, but I know this: NuCore requires both RFM and SWE1 ROMs. Now you would just think, no problem, they are on pinball.com (aka Planetary Pinball). But those are just patches to the masked EPROMs inside the P2k prism card. You need those ROMs to even get started. It's apparent that NuCore had a deal with WMS/IPB/TPF to supply the ROMs via a redirect from the NuCore site to Pinball.com.

    NuCore was dependent on the full ROM package being available to work. We don't know why NuCore was made to stop making kits, but it happened about the same time that Planetary Pinball took over the WMS rights from TPF. Coincidence or whatever it appears the events are related but I'm just guessing. For all we know IPB could have pulled out.

    Pinbox stirred the pot. I think if NuCore gets produced again, it will sell. If it takes a long time to sell, people with dark machines will be desparate enough to search out the less than legal alternative.

    My opinions are my own. My facts can be documented.

    Al

    All of 5 seconds typing "nucore torrent" in google pulls up easy access to a cracked version with all the appropriate roms.

    Pinbox got heat for something that was already out there.

    #92 6 years ago

    Did gambit get fired from pinside for being a lawyer??? I think I missed something here over night

    #93 6 years ago
    Quoted from RobT:

    Common sense goes a long way. Too bad so many people don't have any of it. Post something with common sense and people think you are an attorney!

    People think I'm an attorney? Is that why they would call me names?

    #94 6 years ago
    Quoted from awarner:

    I don't know much, but I know this: NuCore requires both RFM and SWE1 ROMs. Now you would just think, no problem, they are on pinball.com (aka Planetary Pinball). But those are just patches to the masked EPROMs inside the P2k prism card. You need those ROMs to even get started. It's apparent that NuCore had a deal with WMS/IPB/TPF to supply the ROMs via a redirect from the NuCore site to Pinball.com.
    NuCore was dependent on the full ROM package being available to work. We don't know why NuCore was made to stop making kits, but it happened about the same time that Planetary Pinball took over the WMS rights from TPF. Coincidence or whatever it appears the events are related but I'm just guessing. For all we know IPB could have pulled out.
    Pinbox stirred the pot. I think if NuCore gets produced again, it will sell. If it takes a long time to sell, people with dark machines will be desparate enough to search out the less than legal alternative.
    My opinions are my own. My facts can be documented.
    Al

    I don't disagree with you, but again, MAME makes a piece of software that emulates arcade machines, where you get the roms is not their problem

    if they make/distribute "nucore" without any roms and say "where you get the roms is your problem, feel free to read the masked roms from your legally owned PRISM board that belongs to your machine" then they would be in the clear

    the fact that the roms are available from less legitimate sources on the internet is not the problem of the developer ex MAME

    #95 6 years ago
    Quoted from girloveswaffles:

    Am I a Lawyer? No. But Common sense says you don't sell or freely distribute someone else's software or other copyrighted / patented / licensed products without permission.

    but if nucore/B/W is not producing a product how are they being hurt?

    if people can edit their stern roms to change the music or something, how is that Stern's concern?

    thats like saying that cd player manufacturers are going to be concerned about people burning disks... no they don't care they already sold you the player (except once again for the gottlieb guy who just wants to pee in everyones cereal)

    #96 6 years ago
    Quoted from flecom:

    but if nucore/B/W is not producing a product how are they being hurt?

    Old men that hold the licenses and their egos....

    #97 6 years ago
    Quoted from Firebaall:

    Old men that hold the licenses and their egos....

    Not just that. In Williams case at least. They have gaming interests they must protect.

    You can't pick and choose on what to protect or not. It's all or none.

    LTG : )

    #98 6 years ago


    My kind of Lawyer! LoL

    #99 6 years ago
    Quoted from flecom:

    I don't disagree with you, but again, MAME makes a piece of software that emulates arcade machines, where you get the roms is not their problem
    if they make/distribute "nucore" without any roms and say "where you get the roms is your problem, feel free to read the masked roms from your legally owned PRISM board that belongs to your machine" then they would be in the clear
    the fact that the roms are available from less legitimate sources on the internet is not the problem of the developer ex MAME

    In defense of NuCore, they wanted to keep this a legitimate solution and wanted to work within the legal rules. To make it work, they had to disassemble the original OS and the software and that is a copyright violation whether you include the ROMs or not. They did the right thing and really couldn't have done it any other way if they wanted to actually sell it. MAME is totally different in that it's not for sale.

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