The owners of Bride of Pinbot 2.0 machines feel as though it is a whole different game than the Williams machine it is built from. The ruleset, graphics, and sound are completely different and we feel that it is not a MOD. MODs generally don't alter the gameplay of the game in a drastic way like this kit does. In general, MODs are personalization items like LEDs and such. I asked Robin to create a new machine designation for BOP 2.0 and he is hesitant because he feels it will confuse people when they look for Bride of Pinbot.

I would ask Pinside BOP 2.0 owners to delete any BOP reference in their collections so it would be clear. Another argument for the designation is the $2,000.00 kit price adds to the cost of the machine. Another reason that we would like to track it separately.

Please answer the poll with your opinion and if you feel like expressing why you voted as you did, we would all like to hear that as well.

I wouldn't have started this "Controversy" if the gameplay was the same but this kit truly transforms the game into something new. I also think it should be a DP game with a release date of 2015 because the code was recently completed and now the entire game can be played.

Oh, and my flipper bats say DP on them!

It's NOT a mod, it's a new game with the same playfield. Another reference would be Gottlieb Gold Strike and Target Alpha. They both use the same playfield but score and award extra balls differently. Add in an electronic version called "Eldorado, City of Gold" and that is also not the same game. Now, Solar City, and Canada Dry are the same playfield (except art) as Target Alpha and they aren't the same entry. So we can blame Gottlieb for using the same playfield 5 times and changing the rules at least 3 times as a precedent.

Thank you Robin! I'd be glad to update it! Really appreciate ya!

On August 13, 2015 BOP 2.0 Version 1.13 was released to ALL kit owners. Since this version completed the ruleset and was available to all, I made it the release date for the new entry. Thanks to everyone for their support and opinions.

I guess that Eldorado, Gold Strike, Target Alpha, Solar City, Canada Dry, and Eldorado, Lost City of Gold are the same game as well? They all use the same playfield. Three of them even have the same ruleset. I think that if you re-write the game from scratch, you've gone WAY beyond MOD. The kit IS a P-ROC with a computer and a laptop screen (and new sound system). The only board used from the old game is the driver board. You live close enough to me that you need to come over and we'll play the old and the new to compare. It's a new game, trust me!

I've heard rumors that Shimoda might be up this way soon for a purchase from a friend, stop by and be prepared to "change your MOD statement" <grin>.

-Al-

Live stream of BOP 2.0 now at: http://www.twitch.tv/flippart

Robin commented to me that he doesn't like the LE/PRO/SE classifications and was planning to work something out. If a game has a major software or hardware item that causes it to score different, I think it should be considered a new game. Besides BOP 2.0, games like AC/DC score differently because of the missing lower playfield in the pro. I really think scoring should be the deciding factor because of games used in competitions and for record setting. Your opinion may vary; see stores for details.