Yep. I hate to say it but this is very far from happening and just because certain distributors decided to start taking deposits doesn't make it any more viable. The main one in Toronto won't get near this right now, they weren't even in with Heighway and that company had a game out with Alien on the horizon. I hope it works out but....

I don't think its hate. Lets be honest about this though. An overseas company with the Heighway assets and no prior game releases using an Italian unknown pinball manufacturer with no income outside of I'm assuming some local investors? Please explain how people can't be anything but highly skeptical?

Racist?

Take it easy. I think its more a case that not too many of us own pins that aren't American made and the ones that have come from over seas aren't exactly "winners" in the longevity department.

I'll take a Caddy over any of that Eurotrash all day, every day.

It is the distributor and its people who want to secure their position putting down a deposit. What if it comes out that they are only producing 500. They might get to 100 and the whole thing dies. Well u have ur game and more so if u want to back out then u can. Is it ridiculous? To me, Yes but I'm highly jaded after being in on Alien the first time and Predator and seeing everything else that can go wrong with new companies in this business so I just don't see it happening, but Man I hope it does.

It has some great films but most of them stink and have no business in a Sci Fi movie list let alone top 50 then again as we all know via pinside top 100 and mostly all other ratings, they suck.

Yeah Gary please, that's enough.
What r u talking about? Ever played JP, Maiden, DP, TWD, GB, Met, TMNT the list is long sir in terms of solid, vey fun to play Stern pins so where r u getting "Fucked with Junk" I have to say if ur statement held any water what so ever Stern would not be the top manufacturer of pinball machines. Some good some bad, that's life. Good day to u sir......................I said good day.

I enjoyed the "yacht money" and "Bean Counters" reference. Cause u know those other companies usually take a loss and have no interest in maximum profit.
Just like B/W who weathered the storm and really held on to insure their loyal customers/pinball enthusiasts were taken care of.

Because they are. personally I wouldn't buy an original unless it was cheap. Not enough out there and I don't want to search for stuff when something breaks. Still hoping this happens but I'm doubtful.

Well if we know nothing else in this hobby it doesn't have to be much to make the jump from SE to and LE. The limited aspect plays a big part, beacons, speakers, maybe a topper. Different art and armor. I don't care about the PF screen. SE for me.

I never said there was anything wrong with them, just for me personally I wouldn't buy one. I'm glad urs and possibly all the others are iron clad. I don't want 1 of 100, that applies to this new edition as well. Still wish Stern or CGC was building them. I just don't trust these overseas manufacturers, not one has worked out in last 20 years. Not to say some American ones haven't failed cause they have so really any new start up and I'm skeptical.

Of course its a no brainer that the screen is more immersive and a better overall option. I just couldn't care less that's its gone at all. If this actually happens and I get the theme, the layout, the code and music/FX I'm happy as a pig in shit. To be honest even if the SV has a center screen and beacons, all that stuff I'm still going SE.

I wish I did.

Me 2. Believe me a better theme in pinball does not exist for my taste. At least not yet. A sabbath pin or better yet Slayer, maybe Road Warrior a new Robocop, Terminator 84' Blade runner there are plenty that match it in my dream theme category but that hasn't happened, u know we get? TMNT, GnR, STh, Pirates and superheros in other words.......CRAP

I'm in.

I don't know but he really hates LZ.

Eat healthy and walk. No need for cardio and all that. I stopped eating crap not because of expanding waistband but just cause at close to 50 u feel like shit and I go walking, first off I love it, best thing you can do in my opinion, for mind and body. I'm happiest walking early in the morning with my little radio and some good classical. Its just amazing. Anyway that's my 2 cents.

Yeah well when there is some news we will all get it but its not pinsides fault that its been crickets for how long now? outside of the 20 sec video clip. This was bound to happen and its gonna get worse, or better depending on topic. I mean yeah testosterone is pushing it. Still I'd rather discuss health than nothing at all. Or we can go over whether or not the LV will have a god damn screen in the middle of the PF for 1000th time.

I'm not a comic book guy but I saw on you tube that Marvel is releasing Alien comic book series. Perhaps Stern will pick this up in a year or so and I will finally get an Alien pin. No problem with comic art and original story Alien pin. As long as I get it. I mean unless this happens.

I do. Prometheus was a great film and Covenant wasn't very good but still a good pin theme. Better than most of the ones we get. Anything is better than Band and Superhero crap.

I'd like to believe this and I hope I'm very wrong but not gonna happen. Why wouldn't PB have posted we have begun shipping? Who got a call that their Alien should be here this month? I'm sure Melissa is a fine person but like Nitro up here in the GWNorth they jump on anything they can to sell, and why not. Just saying the biggest seller of games in Canada will not get anywhere near this yet and they never did with og Alien either. When then say they are getting PB Alien I'm in. For now I'll wait in the wings.

This thread is the wings, Jackass.

That's kinda ancient history now sir. I can't remember the last Stern that was "barely playable" due to code. JJP has always been slow out of the gate. Its a good thing that this time around the deposits are with the distributors and no game means no loss of money but whats interesting to me is someone would even want 1 of possibly only a handful of games like the OG Alien then it dies. Hey I'm glad they are out there cause its the only way this thing is gonna happen.

Cabinet art and some dimples? Who gives a shit. The main concern is seeing these shipping in bulk. That's what worries me. I'll buy when I see at least 100 out in the wild, no make that 300.

For me, not even a want really. I don't know how u guys have ur pins set up but the side art on mine could be simple blackness and I would rarely notice. Lets get them shipping and proven solid then gripe about side art and all other the shit. Just saying.

I do want one but I don't want 1 of 100 then the whole thing goes tits up like the OG. I'll wait till its a sure thing. I'm in no rush and to be honest after all the shit with the first one its not the same. Its nothing new really. If Godzilla looks good then that will be my purchase this year. I can wait till 2022 to pick up an Alien.

I think u have lots of time for that. Best part is, if I'm wrong u win and if I'm right? u still win.

Everyone who might actually buy a pinball machine needs next to zero persuasion in the way of marketing. If they thought great marketing would expand sales then they would do that. Its the same old farts buying these games for the home and route. That's it. U might get a SW freak who grabs the game even though hes not a pinhead, same for some music pins etc. The core however that keeps it alive is here, its us. How much more marketing do u need?

No its not.

Why is it so hard for some pinsiders to accept how small and limited to a niche group this hobby is. Young people have no idea about arcades and don't care about this at all. They play video games and multi player online games. Its a nice thought but ur delusional if u think great marketing is gonna expand pinball. The only reason its so hot right now is us arcade old timers are in a position to buy 5 to 15 000 boxes of lights and toys. Come on man.

They are.

Ur sons friend seems highly confused if u ask me. Most people are very suprised at how much these things cost and usually any thought of owning dies with even the lowest priced NIB.

Why wouldn't u be? I'm glad its a niche hobby. The masses would only ruin it. I don't think we would see the greatness of modern code if the main market wasn't home buyers now as apposed to arcades and routed pins. Its a perfect time and I'm happy to be part of it lets just stay grounded in what it is, thats all I'm saying. Then again I don't particularly care.

I never said they don't play pinball, but its thriving due to home buyers and sorry kind sir but the 20 something's at 40 something aren't buying games. Does it really matter? Personally I don't care if pinball goes once I'm done.

Ok. I knew that. I'm mid 40's and know a few mid 30's guys with pins, but "plenty" is probably a stretch. Here's the main thing. Who cares. As long as they are makin em and I can buy them I don't give a shit if Gen Z buys pins or not.

I just want an Alien so I hope this works out. Its looking like Godzilla is next from Stern thats my 2021 pin. I'm gonna wait on this till next year, if its still around and doing well, beautiful. I'm in.

Listen I'm not saying it doesn't exist. I don't believe its gonna be enough to keep it going down the road. Maybe. Again immaterial to my current situation when it comes to pinball and that's not gonna change. As for marketing expanding the hobby, does it really matter. We are getting new games almost constantly now. There are what 4 reliable manufacturers. The option of 4 to 5 new pins a year to choose from, give or take. Not to mention for me the best pinball machines that have ever been. Man JP is a god damn marvel. Some people seem overwhelmed by GnR, not me but some people. I guess what I'm saying is..............who cares. If it all dies tomorow theres more than enough out there to keep us all fat and giggly.

Take it easy. Its pinball. U see this is the problem. Its fine to love pinball but some of u guys take it a little too far. The pinball shirts and conventions and all that shit, I mean award shows? Take it easy. It dies with us, embrace it. ur kid or kids might love pinball, u know why? cause u have them around. its a very very very small part of the culture kind sirs. Yeah everyone loves to play my pins but not one over 12 yrs now went out and picked one up as a result. Again. Take it easy. Were quoting Indian folklore now?

Sorry, back to Alien. Oh wait...............

Hey "Take it easy" is mine in this thread.

I'm sure Melissa is a fine person but I have to say that the smart move here was to wait until this thing looked like the real deal, especially after the last Alien fiasco. Then again how anyone is even putting up refundable deposits is beyond me. Why not just wait? Do u really want 1 of possibly only a handful and bottom drops out. Its a dream theme and I wouldn't take that chance. Its tough not to look at from an outsiders perspective that Cointaker is just hungry 4 sales, nothing wrong with that and I mean I like the people I deal with at my distributor 2 but I know their first priority to make a sale. What's with the saint like status? Just curious as there's nothing else to discuss around here.

Good point. I've been done with taking any kind of chance with pins for a while. Nothing used anymore, I don't want to have to get things fixed or wait for parts, nothing. I wait a year even on Stern releases till they work out the bugs and all that jazz. And I took the chance with the OG Alien and Predator. That didn't help, I got my money back but I don't want to do that again.

Man I like that. U need to paint the surrounding walls black and get a good quality red LED bulb going. Thats the ticket,

Really? then what about monkey business.

U know Heighway lied and Cointaker made promises and lied whatever, its sales, they lie, that's what they do, that's part of the job to get u to spend money and if ur just figuring this out then I have a a lead on something else maybe u guys haven't heard of but its just between us......................Sliced Bread.

"decided to work with vendors that others wouldn't"

Do u actually think that decision has to do with anything other than money?

I pretty sure most of us know what's gonna be, but the desire for this theme is so strong we kinda lose sight of the realities involved with a new pinball company.

Man do I miss that guy.

I don't think anyone is getting this anytime soon, possibly this year. Now I know u can't say anything about Cointaker but get ready for more delays and all that. PB would have posted a line up of built machines by now and where's the gameplay vid of the test machine they sent. Melissa went away? so what. Does she run the whole shop. I think its cause its not working.

Keep in my mind I want to be very wrong, setting my expectations real low here as 2 limit disappointment.

I think most of pinside isn't going anywhere near this right now, let alone posting in this thread. Its 2 years old and of the 3K posts its a very small group of Alien loving dickheads, of which I am one.

Silver screen?
I don't know, after getting a high end OLED and recently watching Aliens in all its glory and in the comfort of my own home its doubtful I will ever step foot in a theater again. It looked amazing.

They are?

Wouldn't PB show some pics of finished pins, then boxed and ready to go? All we have is what a 2min video of one pin sent to Coin taker. Come on man. U see this is the problem with these guys taking deposits, including Cointaker, lots of eager folk waiting for their Alien and distributors who want to make a sale, possibly with the thousands in the bank right now that they would rather keep, so what do u get? "on their way".

No one should have taken deposits yet and more so no one should have put them down, refundable or not. Its only gonna cause trouble. AS per usual, boy I hope I'm wrong.

I went to see Blade Runner 2049 in the theater, first film I've seen in the theaters for almost 20 years and it the video was dark, theater was very cold and 2 loud. Its like trying to enjoy pinball in a Barcade where u can't hear it, people all over, music and smells I don't want hear nor sniff, after at home pinball bliss. Loud, lighting how I want and usually just me and the pin. I don't care how great the screen is ur not beating an OLED.

The pin looks pretty good, what's starting to happen is that I just don't care anymore. It strange cause it really is a dream theme but I wasn't blown away by that gameplay vid and its definitely lost something in the transition, even more so than just the items cut from the OG. Seems different. Time will tell.

Edit post, deleted.

I decided I didn't care anymore.

Exactly.

That's nothing, over 3000 posts and very very little pertaining to the pin, is that really our fault?

Could be why its the only one.

They have 2.

I'm gonna wait but its nice to see a game in the wild.

Cab art - who cares. Looks fine

OG? yeah its a better overall experience but I don't like having to invest any real time in searching for parts and dealing with repairs. Would much rather have this version from hopefully an up and running company.

Otherwise looking very forward to grabbing one of these once its an established company and pin. After all the other failures I'm gonna have to wait. But in the mean time bring on the unboxing and gameplay videos with the delight that would be, "Man these things are rock solid, we have a winner on our hands" or a close facsimile. Good day kind sirs.

Good. Still wouldn't buy one.

Me 2.

I'm really interested in the inner workings. under the PF, what's in the B Box. All that jazz.

Chrome is better than some kind vomit green or sparkly blue but black is the ticket.

I don't want 2. I've never liked colored armor or powder coating. Part of the reason I stopped buying LE's. Just not my thing. Black, with a little grit to it. Thats the ticket.
Still what a beauty. I so wish Heighway had kept going. I'd have my LE and who knows what else from them by. That's a shame.

African Armor, please.

There will be praise as well. Its called "opinions"

Dope? Come on man.

I can't wait to not see u add Ripley into the video.

That's just as bad, actually disturbing. How about "Its pretty good" Sorry, I can't stand these new forced words, especiallt when they are coming from people who just shouldn't be using them, I mean I hate it regardless but "Dog" and "Bro" its like old guys starting sentences with "Dude" its just embarrassing. Don't get me started on sandals.

Oh yeah I saw that, I prefer the animations myself. I liked the first Jurassic park but that was long ago. It was on the other day, couldn't get past 20 min.

Why?

No idea what this means. Just try not to use "Dope" cause believe me I'm not the only one who thinks it sounds ridiculous, might be part of the few willing to say that its ridiculous. Word.

Ur spell check certainly is. How long to u figure we can discuss the 60 secs of video from France before the topic goes off the rails again.

This is great. I think ur avatar is grateful dead? That = Sandal wearer. I'll be grateful when the whole band is dead.

Man I'm having a good time here, u guys are gonna cause me to crack a beer early. keep it coming.

I have a few, try to switch it up. here ya go.

One things for sure its better than "backglass and cab look great but the pf and mechs stink"

Cab art, I never really see it doesn't for me and backglass would be a fairly cheap fix. It should be all good from the factory but my worry is the reliability and condition of the PF/guts of the game.

I'm gonna guess, and I don't know, just spit balling here....................Disappointed?

Don't do that, u might not need the whiskey anymore. I'll take disappointment and Whiskey any day of the week.

We are more rare than we should be. My buddies know at this point that kinda talk is banned from my house as are sandaled feet or any other opened toed shoe on a man. I've green garbage bagged feet before and I will bag again. I would rather hack them off at the ankle but baby steps. Shorts is wear I get the most resistance. Banned.
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Its not our fault u don't have a sense of humor. Better start a new thread cause I think ur gonna be waiting a long time. Good day to u sir.

I said good day.

U thought wrong and no one really talks that way. Hence the need to make fun of it.

Word

Its not at the end of every argument. No desire to be clever. Oh and "you are the weakest link" how is that anywhere close to the same thing? Its not even remotely close to being similar in meaning. I would like one example of someone making a point, right or wrong who ends with "you are the missing link"
Man is that stupid.

Maybe time to look up the meaning behind calling someone a snowflake. If I'm snowflake then ur a woman.

Good idea. I'll see u there.

What's toxic about it?
Man r some of u guys ever lame. I bet u throw some real fun parties.
Lets argue and exchange insults a little bit. Especially when there's nothing else to discuss right now. "I don't like the cab art" "will the LV have the screen" for the 100th time. Is that better?
Delt u own the game already, what exactly r u here to discuss? If i had to put my money on it ur reveling in the fact the rest of us aren't getting the same level game u have. If I had a Alien already I wouldn't even bother any PB thread.

46 yrs old

Snowflake is one thing no one has ever called me and with good reason.

Offended? not really, disappointed sure, disillusioned maybe? ok

From ur brief paragraph I know all I need to. Its ok. U will think about it now the next time u put on ur sandals and shorts. U might think twice before starting ur sentences with "dude" or saying "that's dope".

Why? a lot of older men have a change of heart as they age. Nothing wrong with that, u think about whoever u want while putting on what I now am assuming are short shorts? I promise u one thing however, I'm not sending u any revealing pictures, not for free anyway. Ok I had my fun today, back to Alien. Oh wait

Yes do this, but he left out "then walk urself right into oncoming traffic"

well its less typing, and that's never a bad thing. But calling someone Brah is just plain sad. Not really comparable at all to short form typing. Now time to discuss a plague, a travesty that has almost no equal. Look at it and don't look away.

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Thanks for proving my point, have a look at those things. I mean its fine I guess if ur trying to jump start a vomit. where's my hatchet?

I think all religions are fairy tales, actually I know they are. Hot tubs? I never saw the appeal in it. I don't travel, very content at home, love the fall and winter, spring even but I hate hot humid weather. I mean I went all over the place when I was in my teens/20's but I don't really remember. Had a little too much fun I guess. Still am. Listen the same way u don't get my distain for man toes and I don't know how u can stomach it. Also its it really that strange? I know lots people including women who find it repulsive. This happens, like when u say something regarding how the WOZ is a fem theme and people attack. All that tells me is they are thinking about it. Is it fem? R people just being nice but wishing they had a chainsaw when someone, you, have ur flip flops on. Man, wear what u want. Just be aware if ur wear them to my house, its chainsaw time.

Ok that's enough. I just want to buy a new pin and right now its this or Godzilla.

Yeah I don't think for a second they r putting a screen in the PF. I also think that's a long ways off anyway. The standard has to prove itself. With 1? in the wild we are just getting started here.

This is my main concern with this pin. Its the reason (while very difficult) that I'm gonna give it at least a year.

Of course u think that, that's easier than the reality.
I've never been culled. I've culled before due to the "Cable Guy effect" but the main circle of friends I have would never say Brah or wear sandals and feel the same way I do. The only reason u think this is strange and out of place is because most people would never verbalize it.

Nope, in fact much worse.

How about Fruity Foot wear? no wait. Shit shoes.

Why are listening to out of shape losers? I know everyone doesn't think like me, most don't. "my way or the highway" where do u get that. Let me take a guess, the out of shape line, as ridiculous as it is would lend me to believe ex athelete who maybe still plays in old timer leagues, baseball hat, hockey jersey, shorts with flip flops and lots of "Dude. Now go home and get ur fucking Flip Flop shine box.

U see what's happening here. Whos saying u cant take ur shoes off? All I've said is sandals/flipflops on a man look ridiculous and they do. Somehow u guys want to justify it, if ur so comfortable with it then what do u care what I think? Cause its been brought to ur attention, for the first time maybe in ur life that its hideous.

I'm a fan of The Big Lebowski, but u sir have blown ur cover. "Connect with someone" ? Ah go see a Phish concert.

I don't know, could be the GD concerts and dreamy eyed screwball acid trips. Maybe u should have studied a little harder in school. I mean its only 3 letters. let me help. The Y is right beside T and the O just left of the P, fear not cause the U is in the same area, just a little left.............there u go, u did it. y o u
YOU.

First off stop looking at "dudes at the beach" That sounds like a really bad film that I never want to see.

Thanks for posting.
Game looks good but I'm kinda hoping the next unboxing and review is done by someone who has never owned or better yet played the OG. Hopefully spots can be added to slings via GI like I do with Sterns to light things up a bit. I think the Heighway version was dark as well? At least it has begun.

Oh yeah. Cab and back glass looking just fine to me. In fact better than fine. Simple, iconic, classic.

I don't think they are all that bad. Pretty much it depends on how picky u are with sound on a pin. I've never upgraded and never will. Stock speakers are just fine for me and without hearing the OG I might think they are more than adequate. Where are the cointaker Aliens?

Fully agree. A rustic black or grey that looks like part of an old ship. I prefer the OG ramps.

My waiting a year thing is fading by the minute. Damn it.

I'm sure I would have seen this posted but have they set limits to the amounts they are making? SV's

I agree. I was skeptical but it looks very good.

Utter, very hot, steaming, smelly Horse Manure.

Stern has no competition. Why does LZ have to beat GnR or vice versa? More delusional talk as if GnR has raised the bar, all the crap. GnR will disappear into the sea of pinball machines like all the others will. Including Alien.

Think what? that it looks very good? Yeah that's why I typed "it looks very good" Man this is a tough room.

Oh no I was skeptical we wouldn't even get this far, so that's good, the game looking better than expected is a bonus but there's still a lot of skepticism as to whether or not this will prosper to the point I can dive in and buy one. Heighway had a pin out and their second was looking good, then what happened?

I'm not interested in the LV but any ideas on how many SV's they are planning or is it unlimited to demand.

Bastard.

No idea what any of this means with regards to my post, actually without regard to my post. R we doing some Monday drinking perhaps?