I bought NIB; stpro, lucked out with an alien and recently, a MBr... Which wasn't cheap, but overall I'm very happy with. The new black knight has me very tempted, but I'm still kinda sour with stern from the stpro.. It just didn't feel like It was very good bang for buck. I unboxed a few earlier Sterns with friends and couldn't help but notice all the stuff cheapened out and I dropped around $400 over my buddy who got a tron only a year earlier.