Quoted from Rager170:Id say yes. When I hear HUO, I am mainly looking to see if it has been routed.
This
Quoted from Rager170:Id say yes. When I hear HUO, I am mainly looking to see if it has been routed.
This
Quoted from KozMckPinball:Did anyone put money in it?
I put a quarter in every single game that I play at shows so that they can no longer be called HUO (and to f*ck with crazy levi, I put canadian quarters in his machines
Quoted from j_m_:I put a quarter in every single game that I play at shows so that they can no longer be called HUO (and to f*ck with crazy levi, I put canadian quarters in his machines
Lmao
-Mike
Quoted from PtownPin:I suspect the people who don't care are ones who route or bring their games to shows, and continue to think their game is still worth a premium.
Let's be honest. I think we all know it's the other way around. The ones pushing the superiority of HUO and knocking pins which have been to shows are clearly the ones most concerned about selling for a premium.
Well... my dumb ass just put a deposit down on Rick and Morty. The goal is to take it to the first pinball show after I get it. I'm order 1886 so maybe I'll get it before White Rose. I really enjoyed playing other's pins at the last show. If I take a hit when I sell it so be it, but hopefully this one will have traction and stick around for a while. If I take it to a show I'll of course mention it in any listing down the road.
I can't say my truck is "personal use only" if I bring it to Hertz for a weekend and a bunch of people drive it around without the responsibility of ownership.
Unless the show is in your home, no... it is not home use only.
Quoted from IdahoRealtor:Let's be honest. I think we all know it's the other way around. The ones pushing the superiority of HUO and knocking pins which have been to shows are clearly the ones most concerned about selling for a premium.
If your fucking liar than thats on you....its pretty easy to tell when someone is full of shit....
Quoted from Beechwood:I can't say my truck is "personal use only" if I bring it to Hertz for a weekend and a bunch of people drive it around without the responsibility of ownership.
Unless the show is in your home, no... it is not home use only.
What if you have a huge party and you arent tending to the machine the whole time but its being played all day. Is there a difference then?
Quoted from Rager170:What if you have a huge party and you arent tending to the machine the whole time but its being played all day. Is there a difference then?
I mean who knows, but for the most part YES....HUO games typically are in a temp controlled environment, rarely moved, and typically monitored closely by owners....when your at a show/bar the use and environment are all over the map. I've bought no less than 20 games the last couple years and all have been by owners with small collections, and with very little game play.....the guys who route can argue all day, but theres no doubt a low play HUO game has taken much less wear and tear (for the most part). Game value is all about condition and thats usually a function of wear and tear.
Good to see my games are not affected by such terminology, as I and most Texans, do not have basements.
Since I’m a straight shooter, if I ever list my B\W pins for sale, I’ll list them as RIYPBHUOAR.
Routed In Years Past But Home Use Only After Resto. Honesty is always the best policy
Quoted from JayDee:Since I’m a straight shooter, if I ever list my B\W pins for sale, I’ll list them as RIYPBHUOAR.
Routed In Years Past But Home Use Only After Resto. Honesty is always the best policy
This is a really good point. I have seen restos that put NIB to shame. Obviously a resto can have more time spent on it than an assembly line.
-Mike
Quoted from Grizlyrig:This is a really good point. I have seen restos that put NIB to shame. Obviously a resto can have more time spent on it than an assembly line.
-Mike
No doubt....a fully restored game is in an entirely different category
Quoted from IdahoRealtor:Exactly. "Documented HUO" is also bogus. Receipts only prove who bought it first.
I 100% agree with this.
I could take a picture of myself unboxing a game and setting it up and then another picture 5 years later in the same spot and that is documentation of squat.
Quoted from Electrocute:If you take a HUO game to a show for a few days, I don’t see how you could still call it that.
That’s the problem. HUO does not exist. It’s not a real thing.
Quoted from CrazyLevi:HUO means "never been on location."
A show isn't a location. Show games do not take damage, do not get beat up like route games. Having a game at a show or tournament for a couple days is child's play. It's nothing in the grand scheme of things. As long as you take care of it when you are moving it, the game will be zero percent worse off for the wear.
It's really moot anyway. Call your game HUO. People who overshare on sale ads are inviting unneeded scrutiny and nit picking. If you say "Game is HUO except I took it to Allentown once" you deserve what you get (a lot of bullshit from the usual suspects).
HUO means Home Use Only.........Clearly you have some trouble with your comprehension skills. I love threads like this as it let’s me know who to avoid when buying games.
Quoted from Daditude:Home Use Only. It's in the name!! How could it be HUO if it was played outside of the Home???
What if you live in a hotel?
Quoted from TheLaw:What if you live in a hotel?
Are you going for the "home is where the heart is" angle?
HUO means nothing to me. I've seen true huo games that were wrecked, and I've seen routed games that were pristine. The machine tells the story to me...not the labels attached to them.
I think we are dealing with semantics. The game was definitely not routed and not used commercially. If the only common alternative to express this is the HUO term, then I would say use but with a parenthetical Letting potential buyers know you took it to a show once.
BTW, in my mind showing pins doesn't detract value. I see dozens of pins for sale at TPF each year, and they certainly aren’t marked down or discounted because they are on the event floor (actually, seems like just the opposite most times - priced a little higher).
Quoted from Bowlingpin:HUO really means nothing
HUO means Home Use Only - if it's gone to a show it's not home use only.
What is wrong is using HUO as some kind of indicator of it's condition.
Quoted from TheLaw:What if you live in a hotel?
hotel use only? this would also work if you ran or resided in a hostel
It honestly blows my mind that this is the level of stupidity the hobby has become.
Condition is king! That is all that matters.
Home Use Only is a fluff term used to sell a game that holds little to no value on any game.
I have bought verified first owner home use only game where the glass was never pulled, is was filthy, switches not working, parts had gotten loose and then broken because it had 1000+ plays on a loose part.
I have bought routed games with 20,000+ plays that were well maintained and great condition.
Quoted from PtownPin:I mean who knows, but for the most part YES....HUO games typically are in a temp controlled environment, rarely moved, and typically monitored closely by owners....when your at a show/bar the use and environment are all over the map. I've bought no less than 20 games the last couple years and all have been by owners with small collections, and with very little game play.....the guys who route can argue all day, but theres no doubt a low play HUO game has taken much less wear and tear (for the most part). Game value is all about condition and thats usually a function of wear and tear.
Yes I agree with all of this...
How many plays would a single game get at one of these shows?
Quoted from Whysnow:It honestly blows my mind that this is the level of stupidity the hobby has become.
Condition is king! That is all that matters.
Home Use Only is a fluff term used to sell a game that holds little to no value on any game.
I have bought verified first owner home use only game where the glass was never pulled, is was filthy, switches not working, parts had gotten loose and then broken because it had 1000+ plays on a loose part.
I have bought routed games with 20,000+ plays that were well maintained and great condition.
When I think HUO, to me that means low plays and in good shape due to low plays... Because its been in a home and not at a bar or wherever...
Quoted from chuckwurt:Legs On Once means everything to me.
You know what I say: "If it ain't new......it better be LOO!"
Quoted from jalpert:Wow. Okay. I can’t believe I have to do this.
HOME:
home
/hōm/
Learn to pronounce
noun
1.
the place where one lives permanently, especially as a member of a family or household.
So what if i took delivery of a NIB machine in my private office at my own company. And only i played it for 6 months.
I think most would consider that machine HUO, but accordin to the logic above, it never could be as i don't live in my office.
I personally believe that HUO = Never routed, but as others state, i dont really see how it matters, as condition means so much more.
Quoted from DugFreez:You know what I say: "If it ain't new......it better be LOO!"
Finally someone else that gets it!! Haha
Quoted from Gorgonzola:What do you mean by documented? No such documentation exists.
The idea is you show the chain of custody. You can show the invoice to the named non-commercial buyer, onward to you. 'Documented' in the sense you show it was sold to private parties, not commercial operators. When your timelines, sources, condition, and paperwork match up... there you go.
Quoted from ForceFlow:Sometimes show games can rack up 400-800 plays in one weekend (at the shows I go to, anyway).
At Magfest which is 4 straight 24hr days.. our games would get about 1200 plays.
At a regular pinshow... they may get 300ish or so games over the event.
When we have parties at houses for the end of season league parties.. games would regularly get 100-150 plays in a single day.
So are people who host parties at the house obligated to disclose that too?
How about a new name.. 'Private Use Only' - then people can feel good about their labels
I dated a girl once that had only been with one guy,,, except for a crazy weekend she wouldn't talk about...
Quoted from RonSS:I dated a girl once that had only been with one guy,,, except for a crazy weekend she wouldn't talk about...
But was she at home when she got crazy?
Quoted from CrazyLevi:HUO means "never been on location."
A show isn't a location. Show games do not take damage, do not get beat up like route games. Having a game at a show or tournament for a couple days is child's play. It's nothing in the grand scheme of things. As long as you take care of it when you are moving it, the game will be zero percent worse off for the wear.
A show isn't a location? You're putting a game in a public place for anyone to play - that's the definition of a location. Hence it's no longer "HOME-use ONLY".
As for show games "not taking damage" like route games, that wasn't the question. Even though it's not there as long, a game WILL get treated differently at a show than it will in your home. The general public doesn't give a shit about accidentally spilling something on your game, or their unsupervised 7 year old engraving your cabinet.
That being said, I still take a game to almost every show I attend.
Quoted from CrazyLevi:HUO means "never been on location." A show isn't a location
Hmm, disagree.
HOME. USE. ONLY. It’s pretty freaking clear.
Nominated for dumbest thread of 2019
HUO is a bullshit term. You always judge the machine with your own eyes and decide what you are willing to pay. Which machine is nicer? If I put 10,000 plays on my new Jurassic Park at home...is that game worth more than a machine that a distributor put put at a show for a weekend and has 1,000 plays?
Quoted from JodyG:HUO is a bullshit term. You always judge the machine with your own eyes and decide what you are willing to pay. Which machine is nicer? If I put 10,000 plays on my new Jurassic Park at home...is that game worth more than a machine that a distributor put put at a show for a weekend and has 1,000 plays?
Wasn't the question. No one is disagreeing, but that doesn't apply.
Is a machine HUO if it's never left your home, not even during the fire? When buying, I totally disregard the term. I don't care what standards anyone want to use. Talk like adults and figure out the actual condition of the machine. I see a distributor selling a machine for more because it was a "Show Machine". I don't have an issue with that the game was decked out to show off at shows.
Quoted from JodyG:I walked out on buying an HUO Stern once because the manual wasn't still stapled to the cab inside.
Just kidding!
"Goody bag still attached!" +$500!
I shall have to pass on your "pin-ball" game, as you see, I am a buyer, a connoisseur of luxury and leisure. If this "pin-ball" has been... as you say... "at a convention," well then I see no reason to call it exclusively HOME USE! Dare I say it has been soiled with... the UNKNOWN! Bother me not with your pricing and stories of condition. This game of leisure is now worth no more to me than the dirt beneath my shoes! How would I sleep nights knowing that this toy has been pummeled by the world?
Were you fortunate to be allowed into my home I might SHOW YOU my "pin-ball" entertainments... but TOUCH THEM NOT! For then how would they hold any value at all? Pray tell, what LOCATION have you come from to play my games? I could not prove that you were "of mine home" while you enjoyed my investments! The value would be... lost! Utterly lost!
Quoted from alexmogil:Were you fortunate to be allowed into my home I might SHOW YOU my "pin-ball" entertainments.
Looking at you collection, how can I be sure that your 1931 Wiffle was purchased NIB by you and has been HUO ever since?
Quoted from Rager170:How many plays would a single game get at one of these shows?
I have seen 600 to 800 plays on machines at a show. ForceFlow has documented some of his own machines before/after a show.
And I'll add that yes some machines get damaged/worn areas during a show.
You're not exactly stopping during a show to say " hey we just reached 250 games, time for a clean and wax.
-Mike
Quoted from Grizlyrig:You're not exactly stopping during a show to say " hey we just reached 250 games, time for a clean and wax.
Most of the time after the first day of the show, I wax some of the main areas of the playfield each morning. That at least helps a little bit.
Yes , of course they are . As long as they are not plugged in to an electrical outlet or turned on while they are there .
HUO gets blown way out of proportion here, just like the pics of the shooter lane. Themselves they are meaningless, but they are 2 out of 100 questions you could answer that represent the condition of the machine.
I refuse to believe there are people here who can afford pinball machines that don't understand what HUO means. So really, it's a matter of sellers willing to mislead buyers. Granted, it's just a little bit, but even a little bit isn't okay.
Puffing isn't against any laws, just because you have the right, doesn't make it right.
Wanna join the discussion? Please sign in to reply to this topic.
Great to see you're enjoying Pinside! Did you know Pinside is able to run without any 3rd-party banners or ads, thanks to the support from our visitors? Please consider a donation to Pinside and get anext to your username to show for it! Or better yet, subscribe to Pinside+!
This page was printed from https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/is-a-nib-huo-game-still-huo-if-you-take-it-to-a-show-to-the-freeplay-a/page/2?hl=crile1 and we tried optimising it for printing. Some page elements may have been deliberately hidden.
Scan the QR code on the left to jump to the URL this document was printed from.