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Is a NIB HUO game still HUO if you take it to a show to the freeplay a


By sataneatscheese

67 days ago



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    “Is a NIB game that lives in your basement and is taken to a pinball show for the freeplay area still HUO?”

    • Yes 66 votes
      27%
    • No 178 votes
      73%

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    #1 67 days ago

    Can you buy a NIB pin, take it to a pinball show and put it on freeplay, then sell it as documented HUO later?

    Just curious what the group consensus is here. I know I can do what I want but do like the idea of sharing my new toy at a show. I just don't know if I will screw myself on resale. May bu my first NIB in 2020.

    #2 67 days ago

    You could say not routed.

    #3 67 days ago

    If the end game is to have it in your house, then it’s no big deal. If you go to sell, state it was played at TPF (or wherever) then taken home.

    #4 67 days ago
    Quoted from Dallas_Pin:

    If the end game is to have it in your house, then it’s no big deal. If you go to sell, state it was played at TPF (or wherever) then taken home.

    Hypothetically, get delivered to house, enjoy 6 months, take to York show, take home, play 6 months, sell/trade.

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    #5 67 days ago

    Well, HUO is really a statement of history of the machine more than anything else. I would say the game was HUO but note you took it a show once for others to enjoy.

    I don’t think HUO matters as much these days as it did years ago. Condition is king, not the machine’s history.

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    #6 67 days ago

    HUO really means nothing, as others will say “condition is what matters”

    I’ve seen routed games with 20-30k plays look and play better then some HUO games with 200-300 plays.

    #7 67 days ago

    I think it’s still huo, the amount of plays at a show probably equal what you might do in 6 more months of ownership so same difference imo. The only concern is damage from moving it, easy to get dinged up by straps or volunteers in a hurry.

    #8 67 days ago
    Quoted from sataneatscheese:

    Can you buy a NIB pin, take it to a pinball show and put it on freeplay, then sell it as documented HUO later?
    Just curious what the group consensus is here. I know I can do what I want but do like the idea of sharing my new toy at a show. I just don't know if I will screw myself on resale. May bu my first NIB in 2020.

    Don't get too hung up on HUO vs Non HUO. Plenty of collectors don't even bother with these acronyms. Keep it in good shape and you'll be fine.

    #9 67 days ago
    Quoted from sataneatscheese:

    Can you buy a NIB pin, take it to a pinball show and put it on freeplay, then sell it as documented HUO later?
    Just curious what the group consensus is here. I know I can do what I want but do like the idea of sharing my new toy at a show. I just don't know if I will screw myself on resale. May bu my first NIB in 2020.

    The pole should have a “yes* - *was brought to XYZ show” a show will put maybe a thousand games on your machine. I can put a thousand on my home machines in a month.

    #10 67 days ago

    HASUO = home and show use only
    MHBOAAS = mostly home but once at a show

    I think this would get silly before long. Not something that needs to be kept track of.

    Condition is king, it doesn’t matter what label you use to describe the game.......even if it’s imamaculate with no legs.

    #11 67 days ago

    The only letters that matter are LOO.

    #12 67 days ago

    It's not HUO. You could take it to a "pay one price" arcade for a day, and that kills the HUO designation.

    #13 67 days ago

    As others have said, these labels don't matter. I've seen (and bought) "HUO" machines in horrible condition.

    I like to be as honest as I can when selling a game. I don't think I'd ever list something as HUO. If a buyer asked about the history, I'd tell him everything I knew, but I'm not going to knock $500 off because I took it to a show.

    HUO is a meaningless designation. Many HUO machines have batteries leaking all over the CPU.

    #14 67 days ago
    Quoted from sataneatscheese:

    Can you buy a NIB pin, take it to a pinball show and put it on freeplay, then sell it as documented HUO later?

    What do you mean by documented? No such documentation exists.

    You can say whatever you want when you sell it. It doesn’t mean that you are being truthful, or that the buyer will believe you. The concept of something being HUO means nothing to me (condition and price is all that matters). Machines in some homes are kept in a worse state than a routed but maintained machine.

    One things for sure though, I will always offer less money when buying something if the seller has tried to deceive me.

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    #15 67 days ago

    Absolutely not "HUO" if you took it to a show.
    If it went to a show for freeplay area then it is not "home use ONLY"
    If I were a buyer of said machine I would want that info disclosed. It wouldn't matter on price IMO but if your not honest about it, what else are you hiding.
    -Mike

    #16 67 days ago
    Quoted from Grizlyrig:

    Absolutely not "HUO" if you took it to a show.
    If it went to a show for freeplay area then it is not "home use ONLY"
    If I were a buyer of said machine I would want that info disclosed. It wouldn't matter on price IMO but if your not honest about it, what else are you hiding.
    -Mike

    Agreed

    #17 67 days ago

    ABSOLUTELY NOT! And I am frankly pissed that 22% of people think otherwise. I have noticed people posting games as HUO that are not and it’s a blatant lie!

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    #18 67 days ago
    Quoted from thedarkknight77:

    ABSOLUTELY NOT! And I am frankly pissed that 22% of people think otherwise. I have noticed people posting games as HUO that are not and it’s a blatant lie!

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    #19 67 days ago

    If you were a smart seller, you'd lie and say your game had been routed in many locations and played by thousands and is still in great shape, giving buyers the impression they are buying a solid game.

    If the game has been in your house and only has 100 plays on it (still not sure how that happens), of course it's in good shape.

    #20 67 days ago

    Did anyone put money in it?

    #21 67 days ago

    If I'm selling, yes an HUO game that's been in a show or a tournament is still HUO.

    If I'm buying, I would say it is not.

    #22 67 days ago
    Quoted from Grizlyrig:

    Absolutely not "HUO" if you took it to a show.
    If it went to a show for freeplay area then it is not "home use ONLY"
    If I were a buyer of said machine I would want that info disclosed. It wouldn't matter on price IMO but if your not honest about it, what else are you hiding.
    -Mike

    Rediculous. Seller has no obligation to list any and all events their pin has been to. All a seller has to do is describe the condition accurately.

    @ Sataneatscheese
    Don't even worry about guys like that. They are far and few between. If anyone tries to dicker you down over bringing your pin to a show kick their ass right out the door. I have sold over 50 pins and have taken many to shows and it has never been a problem. Support your local shows!

    #23 67 days ago

    If you can read, the answer is obvious... Home Use Only - if it was used in any "establishment" that is not a "home" then it is clearly not HUO.

    The "Condition is King" argument is moot to the actual question.

    #24 67 days ago
    Quoted from NorCalRealtor:

    Rediculous. Seller has no obligation to list any and all events their pin has been to. All a seller has to do is describe the condition accurately.

    Definitely. Unless they explicitly listed it as “HUO.”

    If they do list it as HUO, but don’t disclose that it’s been at a public show, they’re lying.

    #25 67 days ago

    What about a game that was on a retail showroom floor as a floor model....purchased and delivered/setup for home use. Would this be considered HUO machine?

    #26 67 days ago

    how can there be NIB HUO?? Oxymoron at it's finest.

    #27 67 days ago
    Quoted from V4Vendetta:

    how can there be NIB HUO?? Oxymoron at it's finest.

    Point taken. Box opened in basement... lovingly cared for at home... taken to a show for others to enjoy then taken back home. Just wanted to know how much I would hurt myself if I took a new game to a show to share. If I end up with a new pin Ill probably bring it anyways. Thanks guys!

    #28 67 days ago
    Quoted from Blitzburgh99:

    What about a game that was on a retail showroom floor as a floor model....purchased and delivered/setup for home use. Would this be considered HUO machine?

    Nope we ran into this locally.

    #29 67 days ago
    Quoted from KozMckPinball:

    Did anyone put money in it?

    There is a local barcade that has all its games on freeplay and they get 1000s of plays a month. They have never had money put through them. Are they HUO lol

    #30 67 days ago

    NIB show games from distributors sell for a $500+ discount for a reason. Saying a show game is HUO without at least sharing the fact is dishonest IMO.

    #31 67 days ago

    It’s as if people forget what the “O” in HUO stands for.

    #32 67 days ago
    Quoted from Yoko2una:

    It’s as if people forget what the “O” in HUO stands for.

    ...or the H

    #33 66 days ago

    I can’t believe how crazy some people are here. Home Use Only:

    on·ly
    /ˈōnlē/
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    adverb
    1.
    and no one or nothing more besides; solely or exclusively.

    The word “only” is in the dictionary, it’s not up for debate.

    #34 66 days ago

    HUO means "never been on location."

    A show isn't a location. Show games do not take damage, do not get beat up like route games. Having a game at a show or tournament for a couple days is child's play. It's nothing in the grand scheme of things. As long as you take care of it when you are moving it, the game will be zero percent worse off for the wear.

    It's really moot anyway. Call your game HUO. People who overshare on sale ads are inviting unneeded scrutiny and nit picking. If you say "Game is HUO except I took it to Allentown once" you deserve what you get (a lot of bullshit from the usual suspects).

    #35 66 days ago

    condition is king !

    #36 66 days ago

    Wow. Okay. I can’t believe I have to do this.

    HOME:

    home
    /hōm/
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    noun
    1.
    the place where one lives permanently, especially as a member of a family or household.

    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    HUO means "never been on location."

    #37 66 days ago
    Quoted from jalpert:

    Wow. Okay. I can’t believe I have to do this.
    HOME:
    home
    /hōm/
    Learn to pronounce
    noun
    1.
    the place where one lives permanently, especially as a member of a family or household.

    I love when people blow a gasket about things they cannot control.

    high-strung
    /ˈhī ˈˌstrəNG/
    adjective
    North American

    adjective: high-strung

    nervous and easily upset.

    #38 66 days ago

    With the newer Stern code, doesn't the games played and balls played stay consistent, instead of being able to be reset or wiped out with a code update?

    #39 66 days ago
    Quoted from Trekkie1978:

    With the newer Stern code, doesn't the games played and balls played stay consistent, instead of being able to be reset or wiped out with a code update?

    Not sure how that means anything.

    You can tell a game has been at a show based upon the audits?

    A show game may take a couple hundred games. That's NOTHING.

    The first game I ever bought is an EM with a game counter. It's registered over 50,000 starts on it since I bought it in 2002.

    #40 66 days ago

    Since HUO is not something that you can prove with 100% certainty, it does not matter.

    #41 66 days ago

    HUO doesn't have much relevance any more, condition is king.

    #42 66 days ago

    Clearly the answer is NO ....its either Home use only or its NOT .... pretty simple, and yes as a buyer I do put value on whether or not its HUO....

    #43 66 days ago

    It doesn't really matter but sure why not. It's still owned and maintained by a home owner. A few hundred plays in one weekend at a show compared to a few hundred plays in a few months at home make no difference if maintained well. Routed games are generally maintained less since downtime is loss of revenue. They get more plays and operate in harsher conditions. Big difference but condition is more important. Some operators take good care of their games and some home owners do zero maintenance.

    #44 66 days ago

    Only thing that matters is if the game is LOO or not.

    #45 66 days ago
    Quoted from luckymoey:

    NIB show games from distributors sell for a $500+ discount for a reason. Saying a show game is HUO without at least sharing the fact is dishonest IMO.

    The show discount is purely a sales tool Marco came up with and Stern approved. Has nothing to do with condition.

    #46 66 days ago
    Quoted from snyper2099:

    Since HUO is not something that you can prove with 100% certainty, it does not matter.

    Exactly. "Documented HUO" is also bogus. Receipts only prove who bought it first.

    #47 66 days ago
    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    HUO means "never been on location."
    A show isn't a location. Show games do not take damage, do not get beat up like route games. Having a game at a show or tournament for a couple days is child's play. It's nothing in the grand scheme of things. As long as you take care of it when you are moving it, the game will be zero percent worse off for the wear.
    It's really moot anyway. Call your game HUO. People who overshare on sale ads are inviting unneeded scrutiny and nit picking. If you say "Game is HUO except I took it to Allentown once" you deserve what you get (a lot of bullshit from the usual suspects).

    Sometimes show games can rack up 400-800 plays in one weekend (at the shows I go to, anyway).

    I've had (older pre-1990s) games come back with increased wear after the end of a show.

    In a home environment, typically you wouldn't get nearly that many plays all in one shot.

    Condition is king, and mileage/plays will make a difference no matter how well a game is maintained.

    In general, it's usually best to offer details on the condition of the game and what's been done to it, rather than relying on specific terminology, since everyone seems to interpret the terminology slightly differently.

    #48 66 days ago

    We can argue if its bogus or not, but in most cases its not. What I have found is most people in this hobby are very honest, and straight forward. Clearly the most important thing is condition, but having the game in a home is very different than having it at a show or in a bar. I suspect the people who don't care are ones who route or bring their games to shows, and continue to think their game is still worth a premium. Its not very hard to understand what Home Use Only means.....

    #49 66 days ago

    Id say yes. When I hear HUO, I am mainly looking to see if it has been routed.

    How many plays would a machine get at a show there?

    #50 66 days ago
    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    HUO means "never been on location."
    A show isn't a location. Show games do not take damage, do not get beat up like route games. Having a game at a show or tournament for a couple days is child's play. It's nothing in the grand scheme of things. As long as you take care of it when you are moving it, the game will be zero percent worse off for the wear.
    It's really moot anyway. Call your game HUO. People who overshare on sale ads are inviting unneeded scrutiny and nit picking. If you say "Game is HUO except I took it to Allentown once" you deserve what you get (a lot of bullshit from the usual suspects).

    the same suspects that bash these pins up at shows and want the pin discounted 500.00 cause it was at a show.

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