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Iron Man wireforms completed. Plastic ramps removed.

By Loganpinball

2 years ago


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#1 2 years ago

So, I am swapping out bulbs and I removed the right ramp. My mental issues against plastics kicks in again and I am going to attempt to make a right side wireform. If it works I will try the left. I need serious help, but I do make wireforms and I have artistic dementia and figured I would share it. I will post pictures as it goes. I know I am nuts...

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#4 2 years ago

Molded the plastic part of the ramp. I do not have enough to mold the left, so todays all about the right.

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#6 2 years ago
Quoted from Markharris2000:

The right ramp has a huge hairpin turn. There is going to be some fancy engineering along the back turns to makes something that works...

On it!

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#7 2 years ago

Lower rail done..

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#10 2 years ago
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#14 2 years ago

Xmen is on my list to buy.

Wireform done, got 4 points on support. I just need to clean it up with sanding and stoning. Now on to transition ramp.

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#19 2 years ago

Added flasher mounts and 90 percent cleaned up. Very happy with it.

Quoted from mbwalker:

Wow, that's impressive! Have you done this before?

Thanks! I make and sell wireforms. Everything is on Loganpinball.com. Gotg, jjp gnr and mando are current.

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#20 2 years ago

Not done, but moving in the right direction

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#23 2 years ago

I can make a easier version that I could sell that involves the original ramp. I will do it to my machine to illustrate what it would look like. Basically the right ramp would be cut at a exit point just in front of back panel. It will only take a hack saw and an adapter that I would include to install it. Just curious if there is any interest in that?
It took 9 hours to do one side. It would be too expensive to try and sell as I do $50 an hour labor. I am ok destroying my ramps to show the result. I can buy replacements. Just looking for opinions. Either way I will do it to show.

#28 2 years ago
Quoted from Frax:

I'm having a hard time mentally picturing a bunch of people lining up to saw their ramps in half. I'm very comfortable with flame polishing ramps, and this would make me cringe as I worked on it. Also not a huge fan of people destroying otherwise perfectly good ramps.

I agree, but was curious. It looks like this is just for my machine. The labor kills the prospect of selling these. Thanks for the input.

Quoted from 27dnast:

Can you shoot some video?

I am doing gotg wireforms this week to pay the bills. I will post video when the right is done.

#29 2 years ago
Quoted from Cmartin1235:

Impressive. I have an iron man and the ramp entrance is prone to blowing out on the right. If steel is your MO you might do nicely with a laser cut ramp entrance like I did with Greek Gods via OSH cuts. You can cut grooves in the floor of the ramp to allow vision of the inserts underneath.
You are braver than I with doing the hidden hairpin turn. I would have been tempted to make the ramp as two pieces and join them behind the board. Again nice work.

If I can solve the turn around ramp in back in a reasonable amount of time and parts I am willing to try. The one piece assembly kills the labor as it is alot to do and line up. I would like to figure out something to get these to be able to sell. As I said as is now I would be at $450 in labor just on the right not counting the parts.. way too price heavy to do.

#33 2 years ago
Quoted from Cmartin1235:

This question is tangential. Coincidentally I picked up a new right ramp for Iron Man. I’m planning a simple ram swap. How long a job is it?

The only part thats hard is the two lower outer edge screws that hold the ironman graphics. They are in a tight spot, other than that its easy.

Quoted from mbwalker:

I think another issue might be the appearance of the cut plastic. Even if a person flame polishes it, if it's not a clean cut, it might still look like crap. How about making the cut in the plastic be behind that vertical piece of wood at the end of the PF? That way you don't need to bend a 180 degree, and hide where the plastic and metal guides meet. Maybe around a 90 degree bend or a little less?
Would that help enough? Don't own the pin - just an interesting thread.

That is a good idea. I will look into that. Thanks! I really want to make this doable for anyone interested. And if you put blue painters tape down first cuts are cleaner.

#34 2 years ago
Quoted from Rarehero:

Loganpinball - I’ve always wondered if it was possible to make some kind of metal or mini-wire form exit piece that attached to the ramp exits. The rubber bumper tends to cause a little rattle before the ball goes to the inlane. Do you think it would be possible to make some kind of piece that smoothly & quickly feeds the ball to the inlane? [quoted image][quoted image]

The ramps on this one bounce back as well. The wireform just drops it. Looking at mandalorian ramps they have no rubber stopper, instead there is a full metal insert. I would think that would be an option.

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#36 2 years ago
Quoted from mbwalker:

I think another issue might be the appearance of the cut plastic. Even if a person flame polishes it, if it's not a clean cut, it might still look like crap. How about making the cut in the plastic be behind that vertical piece of wood at the end of the PF? That way you don't need to bend a 180 degree, and hide where the plastic and metal guides meet. Maybe around a 90 degree bend or a little less?
Would that help enough? I think that was where your comment above was headed, but ending up with more of a straight wire guide.
Don't own the pin - just an interesting thread.

Heres to killing a perfectly good ramp!

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#39 2 years ago

Counter sinking screws in plastic for adapter. Cut my form and rebending to fit. Not sure how far I will get tonight, but it is coming together.

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#40 2 years ago

Stopping for today. I like the look and it functions fine. I just need to add a few supports up top where it connects. I think the look of them is worth it for me atleast. I only killed ramps that can still be bought. I am ordering replacements to have if I ever sell or trade it down the road. I will be trying a different way to connect them as they way I do it is a little involved and easy to screw up.

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#43 2 years ago
Quoted from pinballjj:

very nice work!! you have some skills!!
now that you have figured out all the bends maybe not 9 hours to make again? or 2 piece joined behind the backboard as has been mentioned .
i have never liked how the ramp switch is tilted it just does not look right

Yes, the split ramp behind panel is what I am trying to streamline to sell as a kit. I am trying to get this one sorted and installed to playtest.

#44 2 years ago

Quick video of right ramp testing. The game is jacked really high in back. I need to lower it. Using the stock plastic keeps ball speed and just transitions down rails. I can make a better one, but this rail is the figure out rail

#45 2 years ago

Trying a straighter run....

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#49 2 years ago
Quoted from mbwalker:

Do you think the bend in the original plastic was meant to maybe scrub off some speed?

Not sure? I already like this line better, just visually it works. Still working on it. I gave up for today on gotg as everything I did just sucked. I scrapped a completed rail. So, I figure I needed creative break.

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#50 2 years ago

Created a slot for plastic ramp to slide into place. Then it can be held there by a nut and bolt. Everything is still dirty, but I like this one better.

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#51 2 years ago

Got it done. Need to sand and polish, but it looks so much better than plastic ramp for me. And the straight design just works.
I need to move the flasher towards the flippers, the flasher is now on inside rail not the outer.
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#53 2 years ago

Left side is getting there, but right side was way easier to figure out. I do like the look of them so far. Working on transition and adapter.

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#55 2 years ago

Came up with a hook and loop support arm. Super easy and holds in place.

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#56 2 years ago

Finished. I will post a play video soon. I relocated left side flasher to below wireform. Its a small dome one. The big flashers just are too much on the inside of rails visually.

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#57 2 years ago

Playtesting wireforms. I need to raise back end up. I dropped it too much, but heres a video of the rails.

#65 2 years ago
Quoted from Strohz:

Amazing, I love seeing how quickly you go from concept to execution on all these games!

I really hate plastic ramps!

Quoted from Mbecker:

Fast work and they look great!

Thank you Sir. My wife is on me about getting back to my Discovery machine. I told her I became allergic to keyboards.

Quoted from mmuglia:

Are you selling these?

Yes I will be. I want to make a few sets to get costs figured out and I want to make a few changes to design. Flashers on left rail specifically and I need to make this a easy to do at home kit. I have 28 sets of gotg rails to make before I get serious with these. I will figure it out.

Quoted from Louwie:

possible to buy this for shippin to Europe?

Not sure. I have had real issues with international shipping. I lost $204 to ups on a shipment that never left the U.S. i shipped at a ups store and they said I did not have to fill out forms. Package gets held up, I get customer service on the phone for 45 minutes. They send me a form to fill out by email. I submit it 30 minutes later. Two days go by and they sent the package back to me and will not adjust or refund the $204.

#67 2 years ago
Quoted from Pinballer73:

How do you clean the final ramp to remove the welding marks? Do you polish, chrome or coat to improve the final finish?

Medium stone dremel, 220 grit sanding, 320 grit sanding, stainless steel polish compound with a bench buffer and then a dremel buffer wheel followed by carnuba wax/cleaner. Worst part of building them. Very time consuming.

#69 2 years ago
Quoted from greenhoody:

I'd love this for me Xmen LE

It is on my list of games to get. So far no luck.

Quoted from Pinballer73:

How do you clean the final ramp to remove the welding marks? Do you polish, chrome or coat to improve the final finish?

The stainless shines really well. Here are pictures of gotg rails polished and sanded.

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#72 2 years ago
Quoted from pinballjj:

i was thinking if you are planning to sell these might contact freeplay 40 about making some half ramps for people who don't want to cut their ramps .

Its a good idea, but there is a cost limit to mods and two ramps plus the wireforms would be too expensive a mod in the end. I would also be willing to cut and fit the ramps if they were sent to me as an option. As I said earlier I will be working more on these when I can swing the free time.

#74 2 years ago
Quoted from SirMachismo:

Simply beautiful.

Thank you. Appreciate all the comments above too. Looks like I am sticking with making everything by hand. I got a quote on a bending machine today. And its only 2d capable for $20k.

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#76 2 years ago

Moved flasher socksts to bottom of playfield. I only have two small domes I prefer the clear, but going to order yellow ones.

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#78 2 years ago
Quoted from mmuglia:

Are you going to be selling these?

I want to try and come up with a solution that does not require destroying the plastic ramps. If I can I will be selling them if I get there.

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