They both are fun games but get old.

Iron Man, if you aren't playing competitively and are going instead for high scores, there's really only one way to play: Set up 2x scoring, set up do or die, and then try to get 2X Do or Die. That's the only way to do it. So you'll find yourself hitting "restart" all the time if you louse it up.

Star Trek - it's a fun game but again it's repetitive...getting all the modes the second time around is basically impossible, so once you've gotten Kobyashi Maru you are again just going for the same multiballs over and over again.

Metallica is the one I'd go for if I were in the market. There's more software coming for Star Trek so the book isn't closed on that one yet.

Yeah cause a bunch of fancy lights, a few thousand dollars extra, and a kickback somehow make the game more interesting to play.

Metallica pro > Star Trek LE

But what the hell...STTNG is way better than any of these games and they are floating around for $3700 now. That'd be my choice.

You like looking at games.

I like playing them.

STTNG is my favorite game to play. Of all time.

But of course it's all subjective.

Looking forward to the software update.

Metallica I thought kind of sucked until the quantum leap they made, maybe Star Trek will make the same progress. It certainly has a way to go.

You don't say a single word about actual gameplay in recommending IMVE over Metallica.

This guy cracks me up.

Dude, STTNG slays ST in every conceivable way.

You want bright?

Strap a couple Kleig stadium lights into a beater EM. You'll have the greatest, bestests, most awesomest BRIGHTEST pinball machine in history.

It'll make STLE look like it's powered by a 9-volt battery! Or a slug on a treadmill.

I still can't make up my mind.

Which one is BRIGHTER!!!!!????

Iron man IS shallow.

The only way to score big is to get 2X scoring and Do or Die combined. And there's only one way to do it.

I could see how people aren't very good players, and whose mpression of a game is influenced primarily by how "bright" a game is could feel this way.

Skilled players learn to work with the drains on the far superior, better flowing STTNG, but certainly ST is better for beginner players. [hint: don't miss, don't flail, and learn to control the ball, and the "monster drains" aren't much of an issue.]

What I don't understand is how someone who is that impressed by light shows and brightness would prefer the do-nothing Vengeance ship (IT SHAKES!!!!) to the borg ship, which actually shoots the ball at you in three dimensional fashion.

It just goes to show there's a game for everyone! That's why pinball is so fabulous.

I would just like to volunteer that FGY is the worst pinball abbreviation in history.

I can't read FGY without thinking "Faggy!"

But then I'm a raging homophobe.

Yeah cAptain Kirk seems confused.

Now think I know why he keeps saying "that argument doesn't make sense to me."

The code changes are not major - some depth details yes but as far as I can tell fairly similar. I don't think anyone's opinions in this thread would be much different.

And yes, while it's nice to have some original speech in the game finally, it's kind of weird that Bones has suddenly taken such a hands-on role on the bridge of the Enterprise. I don't remember him being so enthusiastically involved in every aspect of engineering, manuevering, and everything else.