Hi guys looking for an IM and spotted one on eBay but it says it's a special edition it's not a vault edition anyone know what the special edition was Ive never heard of a SE ironman.

Also can anyone detail the real differences between the original runs and vault edition for me. Thanks in advance

Thanks Astropin I completely forgot Stern even produced the iron man classic

This is the pin in question not sure if seller is a Pinside member

https://www.ebay.co.uk/ulk/itm/281982469107

Shame Stern don't appear to be making any more vault editions now I'm in a position to rebuild my lineup.

Has anyone done a light up Arc reactor shooter rod mod?

Holy sh*t that was awesome!

FINALLY back in the Ironman club!

NIB Ironman Pro coming home, it's been a long time coming following some rough times but the collection is finally starting to grow again

Posssibly one of the most innovative and best mods for any game awesome work cannot wait to see Jericho mod done!

Do you have any plans on changing the requirements for do or die multiball as well as adding video for do or die aswell as DOD multIball through your code?

Awesome choice man, Goldeneye is a seriously underrated pin, but when it's working 100% IMO there is nothing else that plays like it and it's a great compliment to IRONMAN and the rest of your collection congrates on the purchase.

Sounds awesome! A skillshot or 2 are greatly needed, any thought about adding combos? I know we have BOGEY shots, but I love hitting orbits followed by ramps or vice versa in Ironman as the speed cranks up and it would be great to see the pin recognise that?

I know I have read most of your posts regarding your plans so I apologise if anyone of this is stuff you have covered but regarding Jericho could you not just break up the scene a little so you have to earn the big "I give you the Jericho" speach followed by the actual missle launch and explosion as the last completed mode video clip? Always seemed like the part of the scene I felt should really be earnt and with your mod it would be a real visual/audio treat?

Rewatching the scene, you could always add a cool little Easter egg for performing particularly well during Jericho, at the end of the scene RDJ opens a drinks case and says something like "I'll through one of these in on any order of 500 million or more" I don't know if its something you are doing rebalancing the scoring but if so it would be awesome to have that little "Easter egg" clip for someone achieving high scores within Jericho to match up with actual jerhico scores.

Speaking of video clips, I always found whiplash MB to be very limited video wise, would be awesome to see more of the monico scene broken down into shot clips as the whole scene IMO is great fun and the suitcase suit is just awesome! War machine multiball always seemed like scenes from the party at the stark house in Ironman 2 or the team up against whiplash would have made most sense too.

How about rethemeing Do or Die & Do or Die Multiball??

While I agree the whole Ironman scoring system (fast, double, IM) was a missed opportunity, but the hulkbuster battle could definitely be cool as a retheme of Do or Die, as the mode names themselves never made a lot of sense to the theme IMO, a retheme of DOD & DODMB would be awesome, I would even be willing to donate towards your time for that as I'm sure others would be too, adding two more useable and fun modes essentially should be priceless to most IM owners.

Best scenes I can think of for rethemeing do or die/do or die mb are probably the end of Ironman 3 "clean slate protocol" sounds cool loads of audio clips for it and that last scene was visually awesome, hulkbuster like you said would be cool "hulkbuster battle" or "Ironman vs hulk" would definitely be cool having that final mode in IM getting the hulkbuster armour.

Anyway man love what you are doing just wanted to throw out some thoughts while Im sitting in the sun on vacation.

I will second that I recently brought a set of pop bumper caps from Rob aka Hooked as well as War Machine, Whiplash (w/el whips) & Monger and they are easily the best modded figures available for Ironman, the flush led/chest arcs look as good as factory and Robs service is second to none

You won't be disappointed Rob they are stunning and the quality is top notch!

The quality and finish of Hooked's LED figures are also easily the best around if anyone is looking for a factory finish.

Like RobT said further up on this page, from players POV the original IM release was set 3rd hole up, so almost wide open and the VE was released with posts placed in the 2nd hole up from bottom, almost at most closed.

Wouldn't surprise me though if a few games where different, after all we all saw the photos of all those GB pins that had left Stern with mismatched lollipop side rails, so out lane posts could easily be just as mismatched but generally they where set as above, I guess the VE was released to be a little less rage inducing

Those look great, if I could have them just set to go off with Whiplash hits and whiplash multi ball I would have a set the shape of the ramps almost look like his whips.

You know I didn't even think of it like that

Although it looks cool as it is, I think I would prefer something more similar to the Tron ramp kit using light tubes or EL wire instead of led strips, I am not totally sold on seeing each individual led although a diffuser strip would be a an easy solution, something like the Tron ramp kit would look great and more whip like and it's the whiplash targets and multi ball I want to enhance.

What colourdmd do you have installed in your Ironman? The LCD or the LED? Your screenshot looks great.

Do you have both in your games? what are your first hand experiences/opinions of them both? I am unsure whether to go LED or LCD for my games, I like the idea of the LED being a more stock look & I have heard the LED is better for games with lots of black like TRON etc.

Has anyone put a plastic protectors set on their ironman? Any particular seller/product you guys would recommend?

Thanks guys, I will order sets for all my games later tonight.

Great, I think they have passed the positive pinside feedback test

Just putting an order in now for all my games

Just send Hooked a PM, sure he will email you some instructions over, Rob is a great guy and his Ironman mods are easily the best out there.

So that's where the IM from Tilt in Birmingham went, congrates my man

Like Paul mentions without OCD original run IM have LED ghosting & you loose a lot of the lamp effects with non-ghosting LEDS as well as the VE when set to LEDs. OCD is amazing allows you to keep all the cool lamp effects on IM without sending you into a seizure

Although I wonder if you can put the VE software into an original IM and at least give yourself the option to set lamps to LED? Anyone tried that? I might go check the read me and see if they also added that option to the original IM code

Maybe ghost busting leds? Unless the original ironman code has also been updated with the lamp choice option?

I'm still waiting for my NIB IM to arrive not long now

Is there a definitive IM mod list anywhere?

I thought I remembered you posted a list as I know your ironnan is loaded to the max and you are the king of Ironman mods but couldn't seem to find your post.

stoptap yeah I've got led figures ready to go, they where my first thing to check off and i have a new sticker for the monger lid which looks great!

Also got a great Ironman figure I'm trying to put LEDs in chest, hand and helmet for the eyes see how that goes as I progress, going to add him near or around the ironman targets.

And I've got another Ironman figure and 2 raptor jets, want to do something with the ramps as Bogey is such a good mode would love to have something on the play field that ties to that mode.

Ah yes the IM from Tilt, how is she?

And which of the 3 lid covers did you go with?

Great choice same decal I went with, I know there are a couple others but that one just adds something extra to the area. Look at the playfield still looks flawless, just goes to show those that say Stern haven't changed their playfileds might want to look closer at older games, looks gorgeous there stoptap congrates on getting her in the home!

LED display looks awesome super bright and clear, I am waiting until ST is coloured before ordering colourdmd's for all my games at once, the more I see though I think I will be going LED for all my games.

I have seen people mention a filter/film that darkens the led displays a little and supposedly improves their look massively by reducing the pin point brightness, tried finding a link but no luck, they have definitely been mentioned in colourdmd thread as I plan on buying them when I get some colourdmds as I will be going with led displays for all my games.

That is strange, everyone I know in the UK & Europe (France, Germany, Netherlands) loves Ironman, a lot didn't love it when it was first released but I don't know many people that don't love getting their asses handed to them by Ironman

IM is a one of a kind game when it comes to intensity, speed, brutality and fun, I wouldn't pay attention to the ratings for Avatar its just as good as IM. Just like IM Avatar has awesome shots and has another one of Sterns best art and sound packages, the game looks as good as it sounds, I actually prefer Avatar over XM, LOTR, ACDC and MET, I don't think you will be disappointed.

Avatar is certainly every bit as good as IM, if you swapped the themes I believe people would still prefer IM on the Avatar layout.

IM is just universally a cool theme and the movie is now a classic of sorts Marvel killed it with the first film and RDJ as Stark. Where as Avatar is a very divisive film some love it and some hate it.

Strip back the games to bare white woods and it would be a tough call, as a total package IM is probably the better game, but I think Avatar actually has the better layout and shots.

With both games Borg knocked them out the park considering the creative and budget restraints he was under at the time.

AS is another great shooter from Borg, but its BOM is probably greater than IM and Avatar combined

Bill of Materials - basically the budget/cost of each game.

I have had both, well AFM was my fathers to be exact but if I could only have one or the other in my collection IM would be my choice hands down.

Very few games are as engaging and as addictive (one more game) as IM, plus it has one of the best sound packages in Pinball history IM sounds as good as it plays the whole experience is just an adrenaline rush.

AFM is super fun but it just doesn't get my blood pumping like IM, plus my kids love IM.

Yeah that pretty much sums it up

Don't you know...??

Chuck Norris... is Ironman

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Those instruction cards look awesome! Any idea where they came from?

Thanks Meegis

When Monger is up and active in the game the magnet should always pulse when you hit him to simulate him fighting back.

It why the preferred strategy is to hit him on the side and avoid hits head on, which I totally ignore love hitting him head on and letting the magnet throw the ball

Get a cliffy ramp protector on the right side of your right ramp asap! It takes a battering and is often broken on a lot of games.

Also cliffys carbon fibre magnet protectors are a great idea and look great on the game.

Nope never needed one, keep magnet heads in good condition and keep them level with the playfield and you will be good.

I have used cliffys carbon fibre magnet protectors and they seem to work great at protecting the edges of the playfield where the magnet cores come through the playfield.

Ironman is the standard when it comes to just how good a stripped playfield can actually be. There are other games out there with twice the number of toys/mechs than Ironman but if I had to choose there isn't much I would pick instead of Ironman, as a whole package sound, lights, fx, music pressing start is like a shot of adrenaline.

No problem dude, I know his metal ones used to curl up a little and lift, so far these carbon ones haven't shown any signs of doing so, plus I think they look better than mylar rings.

Email Cliff and buy the carbon fibre versions so far I haven't seen anyone say they lift or curl like the metal ones have been reported to do in the past. Carbon fibre magnet rings also look sweet

Yeah!

Just email and ask, his service is second to none.

I have Monger set to hard, makes him far more balanced with the other MBs and opens the game up a little reducing the Monger road block so to speak.

AC/DC's Shoot to Thrill could work nicely in the game but I cant see Black Sabbath working to well, its a pretty slow song tempo wise.

Then again IM has some of the best audio on a modern pin, literally not a bad track in the game.

I meant in game/gameplay, it works in the end game screen, but putting it into the gameplay I dunno, just wouldn't work imo, games just too fast and an adrenaline rush compared to most of Sabbaths IM track which is pretty slow and lethargic.

HoakyPoaky if your going to buy IM figures with chest LEDs already fitted go with either HOOKED (www.hookedonpinball.com) his are the best available in my opinion, kimballspinballs are also top notch.

No exposed wiring, no exposed LED body's just the heads plus in white giving a perfect Arc Reactor look/finish.

Is that how he does the figures he sells on his site or was that a special request/order Mark? Any pics sounds cool!

Those plasma caps do look kinda cool but for Ironman HOOKED pop caps are unbeatable, they look like they better than factory.

They give Ironman it's factory/stock look back especially in the red, yellow, orange combo.

But I don't know, after getting HOOKED pop caps it's going to be tough finding anything that looks better!

Personally I always go clear, coloured plastics have the same effect as coloured GI, washes out or tints the art.

Yeah what he said!

Awesome work as always TimeBandit

In all honestly the standups are more of an advantage, as you can bounce a shot off the standups and through GEM, doesn't work anywhere near as well on the LE with the drops, but drops are like spinners, simple yet awesome!

Anyone at TPF manage to ask Lyman in person about possibly revisiting the code? There is a code discussion thread a lot of people would like a proper skill shot and some champion leaderboards - bogey champion, ironmonger champion, whiplash champion etc

Well I sent Lyman a polite email about IM code - stuff that’s been spoken about here and in other IM threads, like skillshots, champion scoreboards etc, no response as of yet, imagine he’s real busy with BM66 (he replied to my email about BM66 code, which was awesome!) among other things.

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Couldn’t agree more, I got Ironman upon release, it was my first game going into my first home and I still love it as much now as I did back then.

When I had to sell off my entire collection back in 2014 due to the worlds dumbest ex, Ironman was the first game I went after to once again start off/reaquire my collection.

Ironman has literally been the foundation of my collection since it’s release. Doubt I will ever sell it.

http://www.tilttopper.com/iron-man-1.html

Checkout www.hookedonpinball.com or www.kimballspinballs.com both do the best IM mods.

Love the red apron! Is that one of Sterns transparent red aprons?

Agree completely it’s beyond easy to track what is lit and the Arc Reactor pop caps give the game a premium look, love them!

Did white on mine as little arc reactors, plan is to get some custom rails made.

Paul said it perfectly in the post above, but I’ll add that I think Ironman would compliment WOZ & DP perfectly.

Ironman isn’t the deepest game out there but it’s one of the most fun, I still have an original release Ironman I got NIB, don’t think I’ll ever sell it.

So he’s already been working on the IM code? I remember hearing he would like to add to the code especially more high score tables but didn’t realise he was already tinkering with it.

Lymans made some masterpieces “in his spare time”, pretty exciting to hear he’s been messing with Ironmans code. Surprised to hear about another vault run.

A load of high/mode score boards would be great, Bogey is one of my favourite modes in pinball, having a score board for that mode alone would be fantastic.

I also find having a tonne of high score tables adds a lot of longevity to a game and gives you different goals to aim for, TWD is one of the best for this.

Hi score table for all the modes would be awesome!

And one thing I’ve always felt was missing from Ironman is combos!! The games so fast and nonstop that combos would be perfect!

I remember on the podcast where @sir_tankalot was talking about code and revisiting Ironman that he and Lonnie built Ironmans code in something like 3 months or less, which is impressive, so it’s exciting to see what Lyman might add to the game now given more time.

Head2head was the one I was thinking of, pretty sure your on the money Paul.

Agree with everything you listed, but no mention of combos? I’ve always felt it was the one thing missing from Ironman and would be a perfect way to add that extra (one more) layer to the game and things to do aim for.

Plus I can’t think of anyone who doesn’t love a good combo steak and combo score board!

I can’t see how combos would unbalance the game. Maybe it’s because I’m not as good a player as you but I’ve never found combos unbalance, ST, TWD, Maiden they are just another reward (combo champ) and layer to the gameplay that gives me something to aim for.

And Ironman needs a proper skill shot and super skill shot, soft plunge to the left orbit spinner would be great and fit the game nicely as you would get a super fast return out the right orbit, starting the game as you mean to go on

A double super skillshot to war machine would also be rewarding as that’s always a super satisfying shot to make, making it off a soft plunge for a nice points reward would be super sweet.

Very cool to know he’s had one on loan, thanks for the info Eric.

The photos in TheCnyPinGuy post above are the old style stern magnets without the outer metal protector. No decals in those photos just the old smaller exposed magnet cores.

Any major differences except visual look between the carbon and steel magnet protectors?

I didn’t know that happened on the steel ones I must be lucky as so far it’s not happened on my STLE, might grab carbon ones for Ironman though as there’s a lot more magnet action.

They put the playfield in the wrong way up?

Well Lyman you sir are an absolute fuckin legend!!!!! And that is a compliment of the highest regards here!!!

Knowing Lyman this isn’t it, but just with the added high score tables there’s a tonne more life pumped into Ironman.

Actually on second thoughts it might be worth someone trying the drone targets with the glass off, seems odd he’s adjusted whiplash and Ironman but not drones..

I like the new skill shot, would be been a little sweeter if it was the orbits and centre shot (spinners) as the focus of the new skill shot, instead of the usual hold the left flipper button and shoot a ramp..

But love the fact we have high score tables for each mode and added speech and lighting effects!

I’ll be turning this on, I’m just not a good enough player to get Ironman modes running prior to multiballs/other modes and the sound effects for Ironman modes (repulser blasts) are too cool not to hear as much as possible.

Would he need approvals if there is unused video/dmd animations already in the code? I notice there’s now added speech on the readme guessing that was already in the code so didn’t need approving again.

But totally agree DoD is lackluster.

Great choice they look amazing! As do all of Hooked’s pop cap replacements.

Typical Joey over at PDI trying to scalp as per usual, his prices are always ridiculous.

I’m sure Rob aka HOOKED would make more Ironman pops if there was enough interest, he’s a great dude support him over PDI trying to scalp people.

How do you know more is coming? Sorry for my ignorance if everyone else knows who you are

As far as answers go that’s a good one! Appreciate the information, don’t take my original question the wrong way I was merely curious how you knew, thanks for the response.

A couple of skillshots would be awesome,
full plunge round to right flipper to right ramp or instead of the same old same old skill shot to a ramp, how about the skill shot to right orbit/spinner for a full loop?
Then maybe if you repeat it the score doubles with each successive repeat/loop.

Short plunge skillshot to war machine

Combos would be great but maybe Lyman feels those would be to similar to
Bogey?

Fleshed out/achievable Do or Die multiball, I wouldn’t mind it being renamed and made into an entirely different mode so it’s more distinguishable from the Do or Die Center shot, video clips would be cool - I always thought do or die multiball would be perfect for the drone chase scene at the end of iron man 2, as it takes all those drone targets to get to the mode why not make it a mode about the drones with footage of them.

There’s not really much else that could be done Ironman is almost a perfect game.

I don’t know about anyone else but I kinda like Ironman having no ball save except for the middle. I’d love some of the stuff in my post above, simply because I never plan on selling Ironman so the more content and modes the better as it’s a keeper.

Just make your settings harder to compensate.

Collecting the super should get monger, whiplash and war machine flashing, completing all 3 rounds of Ironman targets gets that flashing at least it used too.

monkeyboypaul noticed a Whiplash jackpot bug

See post https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/new-code-iron-man/page/2#post-5575133

http://www.passionforpinball.com/ironman.htm

All of them!

Edit: evidently non of them!

I would if you can changed the Stark Industries logo so it was symmetrical with the dmd opening.

The text is the logo itself looks off due to the larger curved flick on the right hanging past the dmd opening.

More of personal preference thing than the design itself, wouldn’t mind seeing the logo centred, It might look worse or more off, curious to see as I’m pretty interested in this for my original IM.

Would look great next to my ST with its stainless steal dmd panel, very cool!

Originals where built like tanks! The 3 I know of including mine haven’t had a single issue between them, glass has only been off for cleaning and waxing. Playfields still look fantastic.

First vaults seem to be pretty solid too.

Biggest issue buying a new re-Vault is Sterns current build quality and quality control or lack of, with Ironman I’d buy older an original or first edition vault, if you play it a lot Ironman gets pounded and I just can’t see Sterns new soft playfields holding up too well.

Yeah plus it’s funny how people jumped all over Stern during the dark/lean years for stripped games, but you take Ironman with 3 spinners, 2 magnets, monger mech which is fantastic and fully interactive, a kickback and licensed movie audio and video it’s a premium level game by today’s standards.

Incoming Ironman topper!

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Looking at the instructions of these online, I should be able to make it fully interactive with the game by linking each suit to its equivalent insert, so achieve mark 1, mark 1 suit should light up etc etc, fingers crossed anyway.