Well everyone has their opinion. I like them both and don;t find one way above the other.

For sure they are both way over ACDC

Pinside is a great place to obtain opinions--one of its plusses. I may be in the minority, but I was really disappointed with Star Wars--I'd rather play AC/DC.

Yeah I would think you're probably the majority on that one, SW not a popular pick right now.

Wow, I couldn't disagree more. I played an Iron Maiden pro yesterday for the first time and was blown away. Amazing layout, superb rules, excellent artwork. I don't know if it would keep my attention longer than some of my other favorite Stern pins, and first impressions should be taken with a huge grain of salt, but my initial impression is that this is easily the best Stern package since AC/DC.

The pin has 4 freaking flippers....with no mini playfield!

I also miss a main toy to make this pin really great.

I'm trying to think;
1. What is a good main toy
2. When's the last time Stern had one?

I love the barn in the walking dead

So if the ramp to hit the target was a big ol' bash toy you'd like it better? It seems like that's what people are asking for.

I'm not personally amazed by the multi ring target, I think that's one of the few things about the game that I'd change if I could, it's not particularly 'satisfying' to hit. Maybe a bash toy would be, I dunno. It's cool that it has rings, and different levels, but it doesn't really feel like it's a skillful thing to do, you just shoot the ramp.

That is a good and fair question. I like sparky and star trek ship. Iron man maybe?

What a great toy could be? And obviously it should fit in this game... hmmm.... not sure...

What i do know, since the ghostbusters speculating topic, our members can come up with fantastic ideas and better toys than stern and jjp. There is hardly any innovation on the toy department.

And.... i love toys in a pin. I remember being a young lad, finding a new pin wondering what to do, and what will happen if i shoot there, etc etc. Stern pins you know what will happen with the ball within 1 minut of looking at the playfield.

I kinda missing that ‘wondering what will happen’ with almost all modern pins.

Edit

The ark in indy stern is also great! Do not like the pin, such a great theme, what happened there haha?

I personally would have been very happy with all the archer features. They eliminated the subway , vuk, vari target , left lift ramp ,out lane kick back.

They just took too much out imo

So the barn doors swing open and reveal a target, that's pretty cool. So that was 4 years ago?
SW doesn't, GOT doesn't on pro level, does Groot do anytihng in GOTG? Aerosmith has ball throw to trunk...Kiss had Gene head which wasn;t well recieved...
EDIT: Ring was horrible in WWE...
EDIT2: GB? Magno slings in Prem+...if you call Slimer the main toy than we can chaulk that one up as shit right now

I own the damn thing and I forgot it was multi ring until you reminded me. I remember thinking it was a cool idea, but yeah in real gameplay I don;t know how much it does....I'm trying to hit the middle anyway

Updated to .97 code.

More i play the more i love it!

Different strokes you know but the shots and nuances in this game are genius. Reminds me of Pat Lawlor creativity.

Batman 66 ...the carousel

"What do you do when your dream theme is a let down'

You don't buy it. Simple.

GB...... manga slings, ramp to subway transition and slimer.

Haven't played carousel but it looks pretty cool.

Again, can we call something a "main toy" if every level doesn;t have it? Slimer was lame, and I'm never going to count a freakin subway as a main feature

Yes Maiden does shoot good but can you tell me one other stern pro that has zero moving parts. Crazy

Whether you like GB or not, it is more feature packed that any other game in over a decade

Star Wars?

It's Prem+ is more feature packed yes.

I do agree with the comments about the multi target ring not being that great of a thing. At first I thought it sounded cool, but it seems unlikely to be able to hit that thing with the pinpoint accuracy that is required coming off that ramp.

Just goes to show that "feature packed" doesn't mean shit when it comes to how good/bad a pin will be.

Star wars in fact has no "moving parts."

I like GB so I guess that’s not really a good reference

SW is not better than Maiden. The right ramp and hyper drive ramp are tight shots. Maiden is so much more satisfying shot wise.

Played both Hank and I disagree

I’d like the center target on Maiden better if the game gave better feedback on which ring you hit, and how it matters. Maybe a graphic on the screen showing which ring was hit? If there was an opto on the ramp there could even be a music/image lead-up to it, but I don’t think there is...

90s pins had far more unique mechanisms, subways and diverters, it made the whole experience much more layered and mysterious. I think beyond the cost, Stern just has this almost religious opposition to subways which is in large part why there’s the feeling of knowing exactly what will happen in a second of looking at the playfield.

If they re themed Road Show and that layout and those mechs today people would absolutely lose their ever loving minds!

Linear Lonnie on software is what happened. I love that layout. Love the scoop under the newton ball gimmick. So much potential. It's way too late to hope for an update on that one or I'd own it.

Iron Maiden is just loaded with shots, I don't think it needs any kind of 'toy'.

The gameplay and shot variety is enough to keep me entertained.

I have Batman 66 obsession. My son is named Grayson after Dick Grayson. I've met Adam West and Burt Ward and even sat in the batmobile.
Why did they have to make a Batman 66 pin that LOOKS so great at first glance but sucks. Btw the nice mellow jazz isn't helping anyone stern
Metallica pro
Iron Maiden Pro
Monster Bash remake?

iMaid is the best game that Stern has made since AC/DC preem. And I LOVE Met and TWD. Maybe try another copy of the table and see if that particular table that you first played on was the issue.

Whatever you do, have lots of fun!

There is no way that acdc aka t2 rehash is better then maiden

OK...gonna rewind a bit...when Metallica first came out and LE’s had not started shipping I checked out a Metallica Pro side by side to a WOZ I was torn...Metallica was kick ass..Sparky and the animations were sick and WOZ was beautiful...but the gameplay of Metallica sold me after just a couple plays. Fast forward.....I checked out IMDN pro a couple weeks ago...it was fun but I am not “blown away”. Need more time on it. Music fits the game shots are good but just does not captivate me like Metallica did.

Now to the ops topic...Kiss was my dream theme. The throwback art package was great especially on the LE with the foil decals. I got an LE but it was my dream theme and no regrets...it is a very fun game and very underrated. Now I do think they had the wrong people designing...I have some ideas and may just have to build my own if I ever want to see Kiss as it should have been done.

It really sucks when you can’t connect with a game that is a theme you want to like. Save your money and spend more time on it as you find you enjoy it and can always pick one up later....good advice for any new pin purchase.

Disagree!! The le is amazing. Can’t stop playing it!! Am absolute blast to play. Great shots and some cool music that’s for sure. Added some lights to make it pop!! Finally got some good playfield glass, blades and shaker from Stern all in one game. Just need a topper included and I would be set.

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Batman66 is honestly a good game now but when it released it was a complete disaster and wasnt ready ro be shipped to customers. There are lots of people that really love BM66 now and say its a great game. I like it pretty well also but i dont like the fact that you cant get a pro model and the inflated price tag. I can't bring myself to pay that kind of money for one but i do love the theme and the game in general. Its a beautiful looking pin.

The lift blades? And drop targets on pro... which is less common.

And has a second monitor in lieu of other parts. That’s not a cheap one

Edit: Radagast got in first

What other Stern pro has 4 flippers and drop targets?

It's cool to not like the game, or just not understand how to shoot the upper flippers, or to want a toy or whatever.

But I find this narrative that it's 'empty' or decontented somehow very odd. 4 flippers, drop target bank, spinners, newton ball, and because it doesn't have some piece of plastic with an opto or a switch that you bash it's not a full game?

I only have had a chance to play 4-5 games on this table but I found to be very enjoyable with great code already. I too think the multi ring target isn’t satisfying but atleast they tried something different.

The fact a main toy is absent doesn’t bother me a bit. The fact it has spinners, drop targets, newton ball, and probably something else I’m forgetting on the pro is awesome!

I’m probably looking at listing my Fish Tales to help fund my next pin purchase which was most likely going to be a TWD but Iron Maiden has me second guessing.

3 steel ramps, 2 spinners, 4 flippers, 3bank of drops, newton ball, bullseye target, 3 pops, uppost and RGB LEDs. Keith spent the entire budget on standard playfield parts instead of toys. A different, but certainly not incorrect, approach to designing a pro game.

RCT. IMDN is better.

If you need to, imagine that bullseye target as a "bash toy".

I played Iron Maiden Pro on route and was kind of meh. To be fair, it was loud in the barcade and I couldn’t really hear the music or sound effects. I bet in a quiet home setting, this game is probably pretty cool.

I'm talking pro only, and only replying to his point Iron Maiden has no moving parts. So I'm assume he's not counting drops or posts as moving?

The sad thing is people forget what TOY means.... and are ignoring real pinball elements.

I think there's a reason IMDN doesn't have toys. A lot of toys slow machines down. IMDN is meant to be fast, non stop action. I don't like it when a magnet stops the ball or when the ball has to go through a toy mode and stop play. I'm sure Stern thought of it, but this game is meant to be pure adrenaline.

I want more games with toys to distract me from poor, tired, and uninspired pinball design too.

WPT

Fixed.