Can you tell any difference in appearance at all?

Is there a slight hint of color in the reflection of either piece?

I notice a slight purple tinge in my sheet of PDI.

Thanks for the write up!!!

Thanks Markmon, useful info for us. I've got a sheet of non-logo Invisiglass coming in near future, and am looking fwd to getting it. Time will tell concerning scratch resistance of PDI -vs- Invisiglass -vs- std tempered glass.

Thanks, for comparing.
In regard of packaging Joey needs to improve and should use Instapak products to cushion
the glass.
In regard of shipping there are two points to consider:
1. How long does pre-ordering take ?
2. How long does the manufacturing process take ?

There is a close relation between pre-ordering and manufacturing.
If there are not enough pre-orders Joey won't place the order.
I can imagine that Jack wouldn't build a new game or start a new company
with 20 pre-orders in his pocket.

Joey would stock the glass, but having competition means to think twice
before making a decision...

Jack will have this stuff in stock.. no pre-ordering process. The next batch without logo will ship in 3 weeks (about) but once he catches up i think this is a stock item for him.

Thanks for posting. I didn't expect there to be much, if any, difference.

I should have my two sheets of Invisiglass tomorrow and will do my own comparison with PDI.

Sweet! I still haven't unpacked mine yet. I also don't have PDI Glass to compare it to...

Got mine yesterday (widebody) and put it on my TZ... I asked my kids to see if they noticed anything different and they could not.. but when I told them to compare the class they were like "I guess this one looks cleaner"

I think it makes the colors "pop" a little bit, helps (a little) with the glare but for me there is no way i would get it for all my pins.. just the few special ones but the cost is just too much even at $150 to justify it (for me)..

By the way, i got my glass in 1 DAY (Maybe Jack delivers himself?) after i confirmed, and it was packed awesome..

Hey thats Italian!

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Foam packs it nicely

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Removed foam, bubble wrap and there is also paper each side with plastic wrap.

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Here is TZ with Glare Guard and standard Glass

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Glare Guard with JJP Invisi-Glass

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I received my two sheets of Invisiglass today. Put them on my TZ and RS.

In short, I agree with everything that Markmon said in the OP about the comparison to the PDI glass and the overall appearance and performance. I see no difference.

Where I will part ways to a degree is on the packaging of the glass. While I agree that the styrofoam inserts are a lot better than the sticky/messy popcorn styrofoam that PDI uses, my Invisiglass was absolutely filthy when I received it!

When I received two sheets of the PDI glass, each sheet was very carefully wrapped (tight) with paper. Once you took that paper off, the glass was extremely clean.

Not so at all with the Invisiglass. The two sheets were separated by a single sheet of paper. Also, there was some bubble wrap in the box, and that seemed to have left some strange looking marks on the glass that thankfully I was able to get out with window cleaner.

I am attaching a picture of the Invisiglass after taking it out of the box so you can see how dirty it was. This is not good. Having to clean brand new expensive glass like this should not be necessary. It isn't necessary with PDI. I was somewhat nervous about cleaning the glass with this much dust on it for fear of scratching. It doesn't appear that happened though. I use a high quality micro fiber cloth to clean the glass and Mequiar's glass cleaner.

I think the Invisiglass should be wrapped in paper like the PDI glass to keep it clean. I don't know how much of the packaging has to do with Pinball Life vs JJP. Other than that, I'm very pleased with the product!

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By the way, looking at JoeJet's pics, I can say that my glass was not wrapped in paper like that.

I thought the JJP glass was a little thicker? Can you comment on that? I would always side for the thicker piece, so it will rattle less and potentially be a little stronger.

John

I thought Windex and window cleaners were a big no-no for non glare glass. At least that is what the PDI care instructions stated.

JoeJet - I also make a wide body Glare Guard. Let me know if there is any interest.

Kim

I think the film on the glass makes it tacky and a little more difficult to slide in. Thickness was the same though.

Both pieces of glass definitely fit more snug than the standard sheets.

Windex is a no-no with Ammonia. Meguiar's window cleaner is not Windex. Been using it since day 1 on my PDI glass without any issues at all.

I used Windex with zero issues, no problem....looks awesome, on Invisiglass

Very good stuff!

Most of the Meguiar's products seem to transition nicely over to pinball... (California Gold Carnuba, Hot Rims Chrome, etc...)

I don't think you are supposed to use Windex. I believe that the Ammonia can damage the coating.
I saw some guys on the WOZ newsgroup were mentioning a product that Home Depot and Ames sell called Sparkle.

For what it's worth, when I received my Invisiglass from PBLife, the cleaning instructions were taped to the outside of the box:

"Use a clean micro-fiber cloth (or other soft, lint-free cloth) for dry cleaning and/or with spray as suggested below.
Mix 1 to 1 distilled water & isopropyl alcohol or use Sparkle (or other ammonia free) glass cleaner...also mixed with isopropyl alcohol.
Spray cleaning solution directly onto a micro-fiber cloth, not directly onto the surface of the glass (very important). Dry surface with 2nd micro-fiber cloth."

Car detailing has been one of my other long-time hobbies. Ever post on Autogeek or Autopia forums?

Exactly what I do, and works very well.

This is the only forum I am a member of...

What about that porn forum that you tried to get me to join?

Sorry Rob, sounds like you are confusing me with BD...

I edited my post to add a "winky"!

Thanks for the update markmon

Hey if the logo version annoys you to bad I might be interested in a couple pieces after you have used it so heavily =-) Let me know.

Thanks for the review Markmon. Very interesting. I actually thought this sort of glass was suppose to reduce glare. Definitely going to be the next mod for a few of my pins.

I disagree, and would take the statically charged popcorn in exchange for two pristinely clean pieces of brand new glass any day. Wiping down brand new expensive glass with lots of dust on it doesn't give one the warm fuzzies. The popcorn is just a mess to clean up, but it doesn't have the potential to scratch the glass.

I talked to Jack today and voiced your concern. He said that the "dust" you are referring to is actually new JJP Warm Fuzzy packing material so you should rest easy.

Haha! Yep, I hear you, and will get some Sparkle......I don't think Jack has said anything about the cleaning process....It is the best mod you can do to a pin in my opinion with the flipper fidelity and LED's a close second.....

uh, this may sound dumb, but what is Flipper Fidelity?

Flipper Fidelity sells speaker/subwoofer upgrades as well as LED backbox kits and new Sterns. Michael Pupo runs it and is fantastic to deal with.

http://www.flipperfidelity.com/

Highly recommended...!

Ted, Flipper Fidelity makes custom pinball speakers for your machines. I've played an AFM with one installed and it is wonderful. If you love the sounds coming out of your Scared Stiff, you should consider that speaker upgrade.

_{Post edited by Blakesell : Vegas beat me to it!}

Oh, ok...I didn't realize it was a company. I thought it was a Flipper Mod. Duh!
Thanks guys!

Looks like a great product and lots of knowledgable collectors seem to think so.I gotta say I've never had any issue with glare.Now don't get me wrong my games have glare all over them, you can really see it when I take pics with the glass on.But when I'm playing it never effects me.I'm either looking past it or I'm just used to it.Someday maybe I'll get a sheet,but for now I'm still "old school"(same with LEDs)Still using incandescents!!!Scott

I thought I'd throw these comparison pics up.
Left hand side is stock glass from Stern, Right hand is Invisiglass

The immediate effect that it gives when you swap it over is noticeable. Other then seeing the switch over in person I don't know how often I'd notice. You do get the sensation that you can "see through" the glass.

The last side-by-side shot of xmen, lower right corner glare is the most noticeable difference in the photos.

I bought three panes, two standard, one wide body. Packaging / Shipping from JJP was top notch.

Worth it? I think so.
First thing to mod on your pin? Meh, probably not.
Will I buy again? Yes.

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I don't have any PDI glass but that invisiglass is unbelievable stuff. Worth every penny.

It's cheaper & clearer to just remove the glass

That's what they all say till a random air ball smashes your mirror'd backglass.

...AND you go deaf...

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I just received a sheet of invisiglass and was really bothered by how dirty it was. Since cleaning it requires special care, it's a bummer you can't just take it out of the box and start using it. For the price, it seems like it would be great to cover both sides with a protective coating (like the plastic protectors that cover cliffy protectors...).

Mine seems to have little scratches all over...not that visible, but kind of odd.

Would this also be your recommendation for PDI mark?

Yeah, I did that and I still have these weird little markings/scratches. Don't know if the packaging residue that covered the glass is abrasive...could have damaged it when I cleaned it? I did follow the cleaning instructions...I'm not new to this type of product (I've had the PDI glass on my TZ for awhile now). I'll ping Jack/Terry and see if they have any suggestions...