E-mail them and I am sure they will give you an estimated date. It will probably be Jack's daughter Jen that will respond. I think Iceman has a sheet on order and they said about two weeks, which was probably about 10 days ago.

From March 19th

Dear Rommy:

Thank you for your Order of (2) Sheets of Standard INVISIGLASST. Your
invoice is attached.

This will ship out to you in approx. 2 weeks - so I will not charge your
Credit Card until it is time to ship. Also, as far as shipping costs, this
may change by a few dollars. If it does, I will let you know beforehand.

Thank you for your business - we appreciate it very much. I will be in touch
within the next couple of weeks!

Sincerely,

Jen

Please take a few comparison pics vs pdi and post your opinion.

I don't have any PDI. Bought my first pin in February and finally after watching all the vids of what the glass looks like had to take the leap. I will order 2 sheets of PDI later though unless I can pick some up at a show or Keller can get me some . I would like to have PDI, Invisiglass, and Phoogs all in my gameroom. I am not sure I will put it on every machine. But if you listen to Pinside it seems once someone takes the leap they go all in.

Got the same email from Jen, I would expect it sometime this week or early next week....

I'll post reviews and pics when I get it set up!

I know someone must have asked this...but is Invisiglass and PDI glass made sort of the same way?

I don't know how they are made, but Jack said that Invisiglass is better and showed pictures. I am looking forward to hearing opinions from some of those that have ordered.

Also, my biggest concern is whether or not this new glass gets scratched easily. I have cats and they do not cause any problems with regular glass. I am hoping that Invisiglass is not soft on its surface like a film coating.

I don't understand how Invisiglass would be better than PDI. Short of being the same thickness as regular glass (my only *slight* gripe with PDI), there's really not that much to improve upon.

But we shall see. Get it... "see"? I crack myself up!

LOL

Is the PDI glass thinner?

CD

His pictures showed less glare and he said that it was better. Neither glass is perfect. We need some first hand accounts of real world application.

Jack also said that he would be selling it for substantially less than PDI glass.

How did that work out again?

I agree with Robert though, I don't know how it could be much better than the PDI glass.

By them having it in stock and not having to do a 8 month preorder.

I was referring to the actual product smart ass!

He was only able to bring it down about $30. He said it took months of work and is pretty expensive to make. Looking forward to real opinions.

He didn't even get it down that much did he? Isn't it selling for $295.00 a sheet? That's only 5 bucks less than the PDI glass.

I will be getting some of the Invisiglass before too long so I can compare them myself.

If Invisiglass is even close in quality to PDI, they already have it beat by removing the huge lag time for PDI.

Cheap, fast, quality >> pick 2 is what I have always heard.

PDI = Quality.

By the sounds of it, Invisiglass = Fast and Quality.

Given the choice, I know where my next $300 will be spent on glass.

Not the ROFL copter!!! rofl

So they ARE made the same way??

I don't know much about such things, but the way you cut down on glare is to coat the glass. So from a broad perspective, I don't see how they can't be made the same way. I'm sure there are some differences in the coating that give slightly different results, and maybe how the coating is applied, but in the end they are both coated glass.

I mean are we sure it is not the exact same product and JJP just bought a huge batch?

I certainly don't think that's the case....

Jack mentioned it took many months to get where he wanted and he is showing it in photos as working better. Like stang said, it is coated glass in the end, however it seems Jack has made a few changes to improve it. I am sure we will have first hand accounts soon. I will know when I get my machine but that looks like it could be a few months.

No it's not. It's actually slightly thicker. It's a metric thickness and I forget the exact measurement.

I think PDI glass is 5 mm, which is 0.1969". Regular pin glass is 3/16", which is 0.1875". I noticed it was a little thicker when I put it in my AFM. It is just a little more snug, but it isn't a problem.

Wellll, it seems a lot of people (including myself) are not even sure how this stuff is made. So, it's not something in the glass itself, but a coating like eyeglasses. Is it coated on both sides?
You say it's snug...so when you slide it in, can the coating get scraped off the very edges? I want to get a sheet for my Scared Stiff, but, of cousee, want to get the best stuff!

From what I've read, yes. But I can't point you directly to the info. It may have been on a thread here where Roman (MagicJumpi), who supplies the glass to Joey at PDI, gave some info about the glass. It may have been buried in Phoog's glass thread, or somewhere else, I can't remember.

It isn't so snug that I'd worry about it. The glass will still slide out on its own from its weight. It is just a little more snug, enough that I noticed when I slid out the old glass and put in the PDI glass.

Thanks Stang! Maybe they'll have some at the Allentown Pinfest...

How it's made (PDI)

Untempered regular glass is coated in three runs in a chemical bath (sorry, but I won't share recipes). The glass is coated using a diving process and each bath is different.
At this stage preferences in regard of light transmission, glare and contrast are set.
After the glass has been coated it has to be cut to the right size with corners and edges sanded.
The tempering process is the last in the line.
Here the reflection color of the glass changes and the final product is finished.

Jack shows comparison pictures on his website where his glass has a greenish reflection and PDI is bluish. The reflective color (green, blue, purple, grey..) can be designed to the customer needs.
Jack never said that his glass is better than PDI, he only stated that it looks better to him.
As soon as the first WOZECLE's are in Germany, we will test Invisiglass in the lab.
That means that we will be able to exactly specify the reflection and transmission in % and won't use phrases like better, newer, more beautiful, sexy, modern, less expensive, stronger a.s.o.
Furthermore we should be able to tell who made it. Beside that I think Invisiglass is made in Germany too,´cause there are not many companies left who know how to coat and who own the machines.
The coating technology is not new, so there is nothing to develop for months...
just to make that clear.

One question for you MagicJumpi, is the coating easy to scratch or is it tough like glass. For example, when a cat gets on a regular pinball glass they do not scratch the glass. Would PDI scratch from cat claws?

No worries in this regard.
I would be more concerned if your cat has dirty feet/claws with sand on it.
This will leave scratches.

Well they are both really good...I'm just glad I've got one coming!

I've found PDI to be plenty tough and resistance to scratching. I've had plenty of airballs hit the glass with a hard impact, and a mark has never been left (so far).

So you are saying there are no new processes and this cannot be done in the US? How can you be sure?

One thing is for sure, if you are asking and want to see it he is not getting it from you. I have heard that rumor but I guess this confirms that is rumor and false.

Looking forward to seeing them together.

Has anyone asked Jack where the glass is made?

Thanks for the summary, Roman.

I don't think the issue is that it can't be done in the US. I think the issue was that until now, the only place to get non-reflective 3/16" glass was from Germany. Anything domestic was all 1/4" and thicker. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

I understand that was the only place, just wondering what info he has to make the claim he thinks it is made in Germany?

Invisiglass has a green tint on/in the coating, white light sources are reflected greenish.
I know a company in Germany who makes the anti reflective glass using green tint as
the final color.
This is the reason why I think that Invisiglass could have been made in Germany, but feel free
and ask Jack.
Have I ever said or stated that anti reflective glass can only be made in Germany and not in the US
or somewhere else ?

You have said it is not made anywhere else. The possibility of it notwithstanding. Correct me if I am wrong, but is not PDI more economical if purchased in bulk still?

I can only speak for PDI, here I know where it's made.
But what makes it so important for you generally spoken to know where it's made ?
Aren't you satisfied with what you're receiving ?

Contact the seller for bulk rates and then you'll know if it's more or less economical.

I have not had the pleasure of PDI yet. I will though. And generally spoken it does not matter to me where it is made except for availiability to me on a "right now" basis. If I could have walked down the street and bought 2 sheets of PDI I would have. I realize that is not realistic. But waiting 20 weeks is a killer.

I think I read somewhere that anti-glare glass is being made/developed in Japan.

For clarification:
Invisiglass is made in the USA. Yes, we still know how to make a few things here.
Also, there is no green tint to the glass.
Terry.

Thank you Terry for clarifying.
There's nothing wrong about it having the glass made in the US.
If you take a look at Jack's comparison pics, you will see
that the reflection from the fluoroscent light tubes on the ceiling are
white with regular glass, are bluish with PDI and are greenish with
Invisiglass.
There is always a color left from the spectrum of light in the coating,
not the glass, but this has no effect on the visibility or the effect itself.
Could you provide specs from Invisiglass in regard of
light transmission and reflection in % please ?

These would not be specs for me to supply. If those specs are to be devulged they will have to come from JJP.
Terry.