Invisiglass is shipping?

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Invisiglass is shipping?

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2 years, 11 months ago

Has anyone ordered and received invisiglass yet? I just ordered two sheets of it as my PDI glass order was 2 sheets short of finishing my collection. I don't want to wait another 8 months for more PDI glass, so I decided to try invisiglass. The pinballsales site seems to take my order and doesn't indicate that the item is preorder or not yet in stock. So has anyone ordered and received this yet?


2 years, 11 months ago

E-mail them and I am sure they will give you an estimated date. It will probably be Jack's daughter Jen that will respond. I think Iceman has a sheet on order and they said about two weeks, which was probably about 10 days ago.


2 years, 11 months ago

From March 19th

Dear Rommy:

Thank you for your Order of (2) Sheets of Standard INVISIGLASST. Your
invoice is attached.

This will ship out to you in approx. 2 weeks - so I will not charge your
Credit Card until it is time to ship. Also, as far as shipping costs, this
may change by a few dollars. If it does, I will let you know beforehand.

Thank you for your business - we appreciate it very much. I will be in touch
within the next couple of weeks!

Sincerely,

Jen


2 years, 11 months ago

Ok thanks. I guess I'll wait for that email.


2 years, 11 months ago

Please take a few comparison pics vs pdi and post your opinion.


2 years, 11 months ago

I don't have any PDI. Bought my first pin in February and finally after watching all the vids of what the glass looks like had to take the leap. I will order 2 sheets of PDI later though unless I can pick some up at a show or Keller can get me some . I would like to have PDI, Invisiglass, and Phoogs all in my gameroom. I am not sure I will put it on every machine. But if you listen to Pinside it seems once someone takes the leap they go all in.


2 years, 11 months ago

Got the same email from Jen, I would expect it sometime this week or early next week....

I'll post reviews and pics when I get it set up!


2 years, 11 months ago

I know someone must have asked this...but is Invisiglass and PDI glass made sort of the same way?


2 years, 11 months ago

I don't know how they are made, but Jack said that Invisiglass is better and showed pictures. I am looking forward to hearing opinions from some of those that have ordered.

Also, my biggest concern is whether or not this new glass gets scratched easily. I have cats and they do not cause any problems with regular glass. I am hoping that Invisiglass is not soft on its surface like a film coating.


2 years, 11 months ago

18 of my 20 pins have Pdi glass. I ordered two sheets of invisiglass and will report on the comparison whenever they arrive.


2 years, 11 months ago

I don't understand how Invisiglass would be better than PDI. Short of being the same thickness as regular glass (my only *slight* gripe with PDI), there's really not that much to improve upon.

But we shall see. Get it... "see"? I crack myself up!


2 years, 11 months ago
RobertWinter said:

But we shall see. Get it... "see"? I crack myself up!

» YouTube video

LOL


2 years, 11 months ago
RobertWinter said:

Short of being the same thickness as regular glass

Is the PDI glass thinner?

CD


2 years, 11 months ago
RobertWinter said:

I don't understand how Invisiglass would be better than PDI. Short of being the same thickness as regular glass (my only *slight* gripe with PDI), there's really not that much to improve upon.

His pictures showed less glare and he said that it was better. Neither glass is perfect. We need some first hand accounts of real world application.


2 years, 11 months ago
RobertWinter said:

I don't understand how Invisiglass would be better than PDI. Short of being the same thickness as regular glass (my only *slight* gripe with PDI), there's really not that much to improve upon.
But we shall see. Get it... "see"? I crack myself up!

PDI glass is 3/16", the same thickness as regular glass.

His pictures showed less glare and he said that it was better. Neither glass is perfect. We need some first hand accounts of real world application.

I'll have this in a couple weeks.


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2 years, 11 months ago
DCFAN said:

RobertWinter said:I don't understand how Invisiglass would be better than PDI. Short of being the same thickness as regular glass (my only *slight* gripe with PDI), there's really not that much to improve upon.

His pictures showed less glare and he said that it was better. Neither glass is perfect. We need some first hand accounts of real world application.

Jack also said that he would be selling it for substantially less than PDI glass.

How did that work out again?

I agree with Robert though, I don't know how it could be much better than the PDI glass.


2 years, 11 months ago
RobT said:

DCFAN said:RobertWinter said:I don't understand how Invisiglass would be better than PDI. Short of being the same thickness as regular glass (my only *slight* gripe with PDI), there's really not that much to improve upon.
His pictures showed less glare and he said that it was better. Neither glass is perfect. We need some first hand accounts of real world application.

Jack also said that he would be selling it for substantially less than PDI glass.
How did that work out again?
I agree with Robert though, I don't know how it could be much better than the PDI glass.

By them having it in stock and not having to do a 8 month preorder.


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2 years, 11 months ago
TaylorVA said:

RobT said:DCFAN said:RobertWinter said:I don't understand how Invisiglass would be better than PDI. Short of being the same thickness as regular glass (my only *slight* gripe with PDI), there's really not that much to improve upon.
His pictures showed less glare and he said that it was better. Neither glass is perfect. We need some first hand accounts of real world application.
Jack also said that he would be selling it for substantially less than PDI glass.
How did that work out again?
I agree with Robert though, I don't know how it could be much better than the PDI glass.
By them having it in stock and not having to do a 8 month preorder.

I was referring to the actual product smart ass!


2 years, 11 months ago
RobT said:

Jack also said that he would be selling it for substantially less than PDI glass.

How did that work out again?

I agree with Robert though, I don't know how it could be much better than the PDI glass.

He was only able to bring it down about $30. He said it took months of work and is pretty expensive to make. Looking forward to real opinions.


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2 years, 11 months ago
absocountry2 said:

RobT said:Jack also said that he would be selling it for substantially less than PDI glass.
How did that work out again?
I agree with Robert though, I don't know how it could be much better than the PDI glass.
He was only able to bring it down about $30. He said it took months of work and is pretty expensive to make. Looking forward to real opinions.

He didn't even get it down that much did he? Isn't it selling for $295.00 a sheet? That's only 5 bucks less than the PDI glass.

I will be getting some of the Invisiglass before too long so I can compare them myself.


2 years, 11 months ago

If Invisiglass is even close in quality to PDI, they already have it beat by removing the huge lag time for PDI.

Cheap, fast, quality >> pick 2 is what I have always heard.

PDI = Quality.

By the sounds of it, Invisiglass = Fast and Quality.

Given the choice, I know where my next $300 will be spent on glass.


2 years, 11 months ago
TomGWI said:

LOL

Not the ROFL copter!!! rofl


2 years, 11 months ago

So they ARE made the same way??


2 years, 11 months ago
spfxted said:

So they ARE made the same way??

I don't know much about such things, but the way you cut down on glare is to coat the glass. So from a broad perspective, I don't see how they can't be made the same way. I'm sure there are some differences in the coating that give slightly different results, and maybe how the coating is applied, but in the end they are both coated glass.


2 years, 11 months ago

I mean are we sure it is not the exact same product and JJP just bought a huge batch?


2 years, 11 months ago

I certainly don't think that's the case....


2 years, 11 months ago
rommy said:

I mean are we sure it is not the exact same product and JJP just bought a huge batch?

Jack mentioned it took many months to get where he wanted and he is showing it in photos as working better. Like stang said, it is coated glass in the end, however it seems Jack has made a few changes to improve it. I am sure we will have first hand accounts soon. I will know when I get my machine but that looks like it could be a few months.


2 years, 11 months ago
markmon said:

RobertWinter said:I don't understand how Invisiglass would be better than PDI. Short of being the same thickness as regular glass (my only *slight* gripe with PDI), there's really not that much to improve upon.
But we shall see. Get it... "see"? I crack myself up!

PDI glass is 3/16", the same thickness as regular glass.

No it's not. It's actually slightly thicker. It's a metric thickness and I forget the exact measurement.


2 years, 11 months ago
RobertWinter said:

No it's not. It's actually slightly thicker. It's a metric thickness and I forget the exact measurement.

I think PDI glass is 5 mm, which is 0.1969". Regular pin glass is 3/16", which is 0.1875". I noticed it was a little thicker when I put it in my AFM. It is just a little more snug, but it isn't a problem.


2 years, 11 months ago

Wellll, it seems a lot of people (including myself) are not even sure how this stuff is made. So, it's not something in the glass itself, but a coating like eyeglasses. Is it coated on both sides?
You say it's snug...so when you slide it in, can the coating get scraped off the very edges? I want to get a sheet for my Scared Stiff, but, of cousee, want to get the best stuff!


2 years, 11 months ago
spfxted said:

Is it coated on both sides?

From what I've read, yes. But I can't point you directly to the info. It may have been on a thread here where Roman (MagicJumpi), who supplies the glass to Joey at PDI, gave some info about the glass. It may have been buried in Phoog's glass thread, or somewhere else, I can't remember.

spfxted said:

You say it's snug...so when you slide it in, can the coating get scraped off the very edges?

It isn't so snug that I'd worry about it. The glass will still slide out on its own from its weight. It is just a little more snug, enough that I noticed when I slid out the old glass and put in the PDI glass.


2 years, 11 months ago

Thanks Stang! Maybe they'll have some at the Allentown Pinfest...


2 years, 11 months ago
spfxted said:

Wellll, it seems a lot of people (including myself) are not even sure how this stuff is made. So, it's not something in the glass itself, but a coating like eyeglasses. Is it coated on both sides?
You say it's snug...so when you slide it in, can the coating get scraped off the very edges? I want to get a sheet for my Scared Stiff, but, of cousee, want to get the best stuff!

It works just like normal glass. Some machines are tighter than others anyway. On some games I have to add anti rattle tape (electric tape) to the glass for it not to rattle with my subs. This didn't change with PDI glass.


2 years, 11 months ago

How it's made (PDI)

Untempered regular glass is coated in three runs in a chemical bath (sorry, but I won't share recipes). The glass is coated using a diving process and each bath is different.
At this stage preferences in regard of light transmission, glare and contrast are set.
After the glass has been coated it has to be cut to the right size with corners and edges sanded.
The tempering process is the last in the line.
Here the reflection color of the glass changes and the final product is finished.

Jack shows comparison pictures on his website where his glass has a greenish reflection and PDI is bluish. The reflective color (green, blue, purple, grey..) can be designed to the customer needs.
Jack never said that his glass is better than PDI, he only stated that it looks better to him.
As soon as the first WOZECLE's are in Germany, we will test Invisiglass in the lab.
That means that we will be able to exactly specify the reflection and transmission in % and won't use phrases like better, newer, more beautiful, sexy, modern, less expensive, stronger a.s.o.
Furthermore we should be able to tell who made it. Beside that I think Invisiglass is made in Germany too,┬┤cause there are not many companies left who know how to coat and who own the machines.
The coating technology is not new, so there is nothing to develop for months...
just to make that clear.


2 years, 11 months ago

One question for you MagicJumpi, is the coating easy to scratch or is it tough like glass. For example, when a cat gets on a regular pinball glass they do not scratch the glass. Would PDI scratch from cat claws?


2 years, 11 months ago

No worries in this regard.
I would be more concerned if your cat has dirty feet/claws with sand on it.
This will leave scratches.


2 years, 11 months ago

Well they are both really good...I'm just glad I've got one coming!


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2 years, 11 months ago
DCFAN said:

One question for you MagicJumpi, is the coating easy to scratch or is it tough like glass. For example, when a cat gets on a regular pinball glass they do not scratch the glass. Would PDI scratch from cat claws?

I've found PDI to be plenty tough and resistance to scratching. I've had plenty of airballs hit the glass with a hard impact, and a mark has never been left (so far).


2 years, 11 months ago
MagicJumpi said:

Beside that I think Invisiglass is made in Germany too,┬┤cause there are not many companies left who know how to coat and who own the machines.

So you are saying there are no new processes and this cannot be done in the US? How can you be sure?

One thing is for sure, if you are asking and want to see it he is not getting it from you. I have heard that rumor but I guess this confirms that is rumor and false.

Looking forward to seeing them together.


2 years, 11 months ago

Has anyone asked Jack where the glass is made?


2 years, 11 months ago

Thanks for the summary, Roman.

absocountry2 said:

So you are saying there are no new processes and this cannot be done in the US?

I don't think the issue is that it can't be done in the US. I think the issue was that until now, the only place to get non-reflective 3/16" glass was from Germany. Anything domestic was all 1/4" and thicker. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.


2 years, 11 months ago
stangbat said:

I don't think the issue is that it can't be done in the US. I think the issue was that until now, the only place to get non-reflective 3/16" glass was from Germany. Anything domestic was all 1/4" and thicker. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

I understand that was the only place, just wondering what info he has to make the claim he thinks it is made in Germany?


2 years, 11 months ago
absocountry2 said:

I understand that was the only place, just wondering what info he has to make the claim he thinks it is made in Germany?

Invisiglass has a green tint on/in the coating, white light sources are reflected greenish.
I know a company in Germany who makes the anti reflective glass using green tint as
the final color.
This is the reason why I think that Invisiglass could have been made in Germany, but feel free
and ask Jack.
Have I ever said or stated that anti reflective glass can only be made in Germany and not in the US
or somewhere else ?


2 years, 11 months ago
MagicJumpi said:

Have I ever said or stated that anti reflective glass can only be made in Germany and not in the US
or somewhere else ?

You have said it is not made anywhere else. The possibility of it notwithstanding. Correct me if I am wrong, but is not PDI more economical if purchased in bulk still?


2 years, 11 months ago
rommy said:

You have said it is not made anywhere else.

I can only speak for PDI, here I know where it's made.
But what makes it so important for you generally spoken to know where it's made ?
Aren't you satisfied with what you're receiving ?

rommy said:

but is not PDI more economical if purchased in bulk still?

Contact the seller for bulk rates and then you'll know if it's more or less economical.


2 years, 11 months ago
MagicJumpi said:

Aren't you satisfied with what you're receiving

I have not had the pleasure of PDI yet. I will though. And generally spoken it does not matter to me where it is made except for availiability to me on a "right now" basis. If I could have walked down the street and bought 2 sheets of PDI I would have. I realize that is not realistic. But waiting 20 weeks is a killer.


2 years, 11 months ago

I think I read somewhere that anti-glare glass is being made/developed in Japan.


2 years, 10 months ago

For clarification:
Invisiglass is made in the USA. Yes, we still know how to make a few things here.
Also, there is no green tint to the glass.
Terry.


2 years, 10 months ago

Thank you Terry for clarifying.
There's nothing wrong about it having the glass made in the US.
If you take a look at Jack's comparison pics, you will see
that the reflection from the fluoroscent light tubes on the ceiling are
white with regular glass, are bluish with PDI and are greenish with
Invisiglass.
There is always a color left from the spectrum of light in the coating,
not the glass, but this has no effect on the visibility or the effect itself.
Could you provide specs from Invisiglass in regard of
light transmission and reflection in % please ?


2 years, 10 months ago

These would not be specs for me to supply. If those specs are to be devulged they will have to come from JJP.
Terry.



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