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TRON: Legacy (Pro)
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Quoted from delt31:So glad.....Ruin it for the rest of us as Stern is only blocking pinbrowser bc of people like you trying to make a business out of it illegally using IP/music and their choice to make money.
Really dumb.
Let's see.....I've personally enhanced GB, TMNT and JP code and haven't taken a cent from anyone. This greed is resulting in Stern blocking us and robbing the community of some really good updates as it becomes a cat and mouse game
You are not correct on Disco Maiden I have rights to the music to use it in this way. But it’s a moot point. Mark provides a service that saved me from doing it myself but myself I would have done it! And Mark is a fantastic guy and frankly doesn’t deserve your BS!
I also think you are completely wrong on why Stern is taking this action, If Mark has made more than a few grand on this I'd be amazed and its cost Stern alot more than a few grand to do what they have done so far.
From someone who manages content rights day in day out - I’d actually say that it’s what you are doing that’s causing the the issues for Stern. You are putting unlicensed content into stern games that the IP holder has not approved and that Stern does not have the rights for - remember that Stern has a very tight set of do’s and don’ts with the IP; someone streams it and gets a DCMA hit which then bounces back to the IP manager and he is like WTF? We didn’t license Sam Neill fumbling his specs to Stern wtf is going on. They then get on the hotline to Gary and Say “oi! Gary! Noooooooo!” And Gary phones the code team and says “oi code team WTF?!”
Seeing the direction Stern are headed in with the structure of their images its clear Stern are moving to an encrypted /signed image and runtime then all bets are off unless you start hacking the spike CPU to change the booter, I've done this on a number of cars so that tuners can tune them, there will be a back door into the spike hardware just a matter of finding it but the downside is that its detectable and Stern can take action (hence the EULA).
For an online service that one suspects that Stern are going to charge for; they need to be able to position the integrity of the service and the integrity of the security of the platform given its going to run in my house. These things all add up to tighter security on the code. Pinball Mix is a side show.
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Quoted from thewool:Just thought if any modding was done privately with zero publicity there would be no need for companies to actively protect their IP. If people monetize the exploit then they have to act. But in the eyes of the law there is no difference as you mention.
privately? like all over pinside, YouTube and Facebook? 
Quoted from Wolfmarsh:Why would it not?
might be different in the US but in the UK (and Europe) a public play license is for pubs and clubs and venues with people in them. To stream music, in effect broadcast it, you need a different piece of paper.
Quoted from Wolfmarsh:If you aren't streaming it, then you probably have no problems, but I am not a lawyer.
The bigger issue is that Stern is cracking down on Pinball Browser because of this kind of stuff.
_all of this kind of stuff_ not just pinball mix but all of the IP hacks.
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