Really cool stuff

Can only one song be used per trigger? Curious to see if you could have a small list of songs that could randomly trigger on an event start so you heard more than that one song. I have no idea how this works so pardon my ignorance if that is a dumb question.

Is this service still being offered?

I thought this was THE reason stern tried to block pinbrowser (which I can understand) - if that's the case, hopefully not.

Yes it’s still being offered. Reach out through FB.

So glad.....Ruin it for the rest of us as Stern is only blocking pinbrowser bc of people like you trying to make a business out of it illegally using IP/music and their choice to make money.

Really dumb.

Let's see.....I've personally enhanced GB, TMNT and JP code and haven't taken a cent from anyone. This greed is resulting in Stern blocking us and robbing the community of some really good updates as it becomes a cat and mouse game

Mark with all due respect, you're a service that delivers a product to someone and they pay you for it. You're using IP you don't own (the music you're injecting) and creating a mix for someone to use. I could care less about it but you're making money off it and no doubt led to this new agreement Stern is now requiring all of us to sign bc they're aware of this. Others were doing it as well and I've issued similar warnings. The making money part was the killer.

Now it's too late. Just bothers me that people had to be greedy and now the community suffers. That's all.

If this was a free community service it would be different, but generating money out of it = business.

You are not correct on Disco Maiden I have rights to the music to use it in this way. But it’s a moot point. Mark provides a service that saved me from doing it myself but myself I would have done it! And Mark is a fantastic guy and frankly doesn’t deserve your BS!

I also think you are completely wrong on why Stern is taking this action, If Mark has made more than a few grand on this I'd be amazed and its cost Stern alot more than a few grand to do what they have done so far.

From someone who manages content rights day in day out - I’d actually say that it’s what you are doing that’s causing the the issues for Stern. You are putting unlicensed content into stern games that the IP holder has not approved and that Stern does not have the rights for - remember that Stern has a very tight set of do’s and don’ts with the IP; someone streams it and gets a DCMA hit which then bounces back to the IP manager and he is like WTF? We didn’t license Sam Neill fumbling his specs to Stern wtf is going on. They then get on the hotline to Gary and Say “oi! Gary! Noooooooo!” And Gary phones the code team and says “oi code team WTF?!”

Seeing the direction Stern are headed in with the structure of their images its clear Stern are moving to an encrypted /signed image and runtime then all bets are off unless you start hacking the spike CPU to change the booter, I've done this on a number of cars so that tuners can tune them, there will be a back door into the spike hardware just a matter of finding it but the downside is that its detectable and Stern can take action (hence the EULA).

For an online service that one suspects that Stern are going to charge for; they need to be able to position the integrity of the service and the integrity of the security of the platform given its going to run in my house. These things all add up to tighter security on the code. Pinball Mix is a side show.

Neil.

sadly nonsense, whether you are doing it for money or otherwise.

Just thought if any modding was done privately with zero publicity there would be no need for companies to actively protect their IP. If people monetize the exploit then they have to act. But in the eyes of the law there is no difference as you mention.

Neil - you're so misguided on this it's not even worth a response. thewool understand what's happening here. Cheers mate.

you mean you can't defend the indefensible ?

privately? like all over pinside, YouTube and Facebook?

You purchased public performance rights? Dang.

why would I need public performance rights?

Aren't you a streamer?

yup, but a public performance license wouldn't cover streaming.

Why would it not?

I guess I am confused here with this argument. I have used Mark/Pinball Mix's services. I had to buy every song from say iTunes/Amazon and provide it to Mark that was used in developing my mix. He made sure I purchased the songs as part of the process. I had to sign a paper and provide it back to Mark that I would not copy or sell the created product. If I sold the game, I also put in writing I would remove the created SD card and replace with the original OEM. All of which I will abide by if the time comes to sell. Integrity is important to me. iTunes/Amazon sells music to people who then have the right to use said songs on their personal devices to listen too. This is a well established and ethical business. In my case, I have the right to and I am electing to listen to said music through my pinball machine versus say an IPAD. Mark provides a service for people like me who struggle with computers ( and trust me he can attest to that by all the stupid questions I asked through the project). I do not believe he is making a lot of money for his time, but criticizing him for running a business is ludicrous. Why not critizize every Mod company, ColorDMD, pin sound,pinwoofer,restorer, hell even Stern/JJP ,whoever, for running a business. This Hobby would not be a Hobby if it were not for all the people who create pinball machines as A BUSINESS. Heck, pinball was originally all about people putting money into a machine for fun as a business.

Mark has put protocols in place to protect himself, the music producers and actually his customers not to sell IP. How many people are downloading custom music ,sounds, etc. Loading them in their games and then selling their games with "Custom" code as an upgrade that imparts enhanced value. Some may be on this thread. I think that is more the issue here than Mark's services.

If you aren't streaming it, then you probably have no problems, but I am not a lawyer.

The bigger issue is that Stern is cracking down on Pinball Browser because of this kind of stuff.

As long as I am using for personal and private purposes of course should be no problems. In this situation, I payed for the music. Now if one goes public with it to get an advantage then yes it can be an issue.

might be different in the US but in the UK (and Europe) a public play license is for pubs and clubs and venues with people in them. To stream music, in effect broadcast it, you need a different piece of paper.

_all of this kind of stuff_ not just pinball mix but all of the IP hacks.

Yeah, I think the US is more of a mess than EU as far as this stuff goes. I may have said the wrong license type (still not sure) but I'm certainly following the DMCA stuff with interest.

Definitely. The video replacements, all of it, are garnering so much attention it was only becoming a matter of time before Stern was forced to make some effort to stop it. Adding money into the mix complicates it too, IMO.

- Adding money into the mix complicates it too, IMO -

This is what I was trying to say. Exploiting the firmware is already cheeky, but making money from it is blatantly taking the piss.

Really enjoying my Pinball Mix for my Star Wars Premium from Mark. He is very professional and provides a great service.

Mark, if you're still around, please PM me. Thanks.

He’s not around.