I think its the same manufacturer based on looking at the bulbs. Probably just different runs. As for the prices, you're comparing double based bulbs at 59c to super based bulbs. Cointakers prices on the same style bulb are more.

Well I had assumed the warmer ones came from a specific manufacturer and you just combined them from different orders. It would be nice if you could do that but don't stress over it. However, I can't be the only one who likes the warmer ones.

Are warm whites a single color LED or an RGB led being fed a specific voltage? I've never seen an answer to that.

Single color LED. For some reason LEDs from a single supplier are warmer than others. But I have never seen CoinTaker LEDs that warm and natural looking, so clearly there is a difference in where the two get their bulbs.

I can't speak for PBB but from CT, I ordered numerous WW colors in a multitude of form factors, and they all are single classic LEDs or SMD (mini or regular sized) ones. I tested all of them in my machine at ~6.3 V and then with a few partially used 9V batteries ranging in voltage from 5 to 7 volts, and they all produced the same color, just brighter or dimmer.

However, for CT, within a single package sealed 100 pack there were 2 distinct color tints direct from China.. one pinkish hue, one yellowish (more classic) hue. I doubt any supplier, unless they individually test each bulb out (and use a color temp meter to validate besides their eyes alone) can guarantee a consistent color out of a batch of bulbs. And if so, they won't be charging 59c each for them -- it would require at least 5-10 seconds per bulb labor costs just to test and sort. That would add an additional 10-20 cent each.

Any non-ghosting bulbs yet?

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Edit: ..ordered numerous LED bulbs in WW (warm white) color in various form factors...

How soon will you have a display showing your bulbs? Just a great tool to showcase colors and brightness.

Thanks,
Victor...

I guess some LED production runs may vary from the picture. If you have one, I would love to see it, with the understanding that colors could be a little different. But from what I have seen from CT, their colors seem to be pretty much consistent.

Thanks,
Victor...

Any non-ghosting bulbs yet?

Not quite yet! Should be here end of May or a bit sooner.

Chris from Cointaker just told me -?- ordered 10 Premium Leds last-nite , Melissa sent -?- an Email back say-n " Call Chris Regarding this Order "

You Gonna send those to China too , and have those Copied also , huh ?

Melissa is Pissed , and She's Gonna be Pissed when she Reads this , but Chris said " Type it "
4 Years of Research & Designing these Leds to have someone Buy & Copy ..

Here's Ya Premium 2's

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_{Post edited by The_Dude_Abides : This post was edited to prevent an individual private info from going out. B_R please do not erase a Moderator's edit to your posts in the future.}

So a couple things to this:

1) I have hundreds of premiums here already. If I needed to get them copied then I would do that with what I have

2) I ordered these for my judge dredd game not for copying and reselling.

3) I don't appreciate my personal orders to be posted on the Internet by third parties. How is it your business what I order at cointaker and why is cointaker telling you what I order? So I guess cointaker contacts third parties now and broadcasts who ordered what? That feels very shifty. After spending thousands of dollars at cointaker, I no longer feel comfortable ordering there and having my information spread about to unrelated third parties.

4) From what I can tell, neither cointaker nor pinball bulbs has "developed" anything. These bulbs are simply created in China. Of course I don't know this first hand.

Is this a serious post or are you joking? If this is not a joke, it tells me all I need to know about Cointaker and business professionalism. Why would another customer (or even a friend) know about CT's business and customer orders?

It wasn't all that long ago CT started as competition for BC Pinball (Bruce's LEDs), they flooded the market with super cheap LEDs and built up from there. I am not sure how PinballBulb's entry into the market is any different (other than the quality of the bulb)....

Not sure what is going on here, but I do not think Markmon is a LED retailer...

I also now know not to buy any more bulbs from cointaker if they are going to have their representatives possibly posting my personal information on a message board>> not cool at all cointaker.

This. You lost us as a customer too. That's well over a dozen route machines that need conversions. I will GLADLY buy from PinballBulbs or any other competitor considering how CoinTaker treats its customers and their private information.

I've never commented on these sort of situations but felt I had to.
I've worked in corporate retail my entire career and sharing any sort of customer purchase information is a huge no-no that can have legal ramifications.
I'm hoping this situation unfolding is just fellow pinball fans razzing each other and nothing more.

Unfortunately it's not. Chris took the initiative to leak PRIVATE details regarding a KNOWN individual to another private customer. Then that "customer" had the skin to post it on a PUBLIC forum.

B_R & Cointaker, you know I have nothing but love for ya but I have to agree with Markmon on this one

Leak info ,,,,, I Have Stock in the CoinTaker Franchise .. Pinballbulbs you know yr<edited> , I'm Still wait-n to see what yr Flashers are gonna look like .. I haven't seen an Led from you that doesn't look like what I have in my Boxes on the Shelf..And to say Chris hasn't designed his Leds in BS .. China doesn't know what the PinHeads want .. Yr small business ,, Tyme will tell ..

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I don't know Black Rose or Markmon, but I have dealt with Chris and Melissa at CT and all went well, but this makes me rethink future purchases. I hope one of them comes on here soon with something that explains things. Wow!

Yup, I also am done with cointaker if private info is being shared with third parties. B_R, I know you are buddies with the cointaker guys, but to accuse another person of copying is crossing a line. Cointaker was not the first and they won't be the last LED maker.

This isn't rocket science, these are LEDs. I can go to Ali Express right now an order the exact same stuff that has been readily available for years. Once you send you manufacturing to China, it's anyone's game, there is no loyalty there....

The only LEDs that seem to be unique to the market I haven't really seen anywhere else is the Noflix stuff from Germany (which would also explain the price).

Doesn't every LED come from China anyways?

No Pm's ..... This is my Last Post on this Thread ,, but to the Led guy's on Pinside ,, Alot of you complained about the Big Fat head on Cointakers Frosteds a Few mth's back ,, Take a look @ Pinballbulbs Frosteds .. A Re- Run ,, You guys are a 2-Steps Backwards .. Its SO Obvious !!

Later...........

It's one thing for Cointaker to lose business via competition, it is another for them to lose it via an "unofficial" (or is it official, it is hard to tell) spokesperson. CT may want to get their bulldog back on it's leash, it is pooping in the neighbor's yard again....

Good luck with your sales Pinballbulbs... I think that is what this thread is supposed to be?

B_R you have stated your stance very clearly please no more posting here. I did not see PinballBulbs commenting on any CT thread and am a bit unsure why you have to interfere with this thread. Please allow others to comment and this vender to communicate with current and potential customers.

Really guys...I just had a very good conversation with James at Pinballbulbs.com....we can co-exist....you have multiple vendors selling led bulbs... BR is not a representative of our company, however he is an extremely loyal customer/friend.... he really is a great guy just looking out for us. How do you get mad at that...(not how I would have handled it, but for any of you that personally know BR)...well enough said. BR considers Bulldog a compliment...lol...

I will however point out that as one pinsider stated that all bulbs are just ordered from China....Let me clarify...they may all or most of them come from overseas...however we at CoinTaker do travel abroad and meet with our manufacturer's....we also have developed our product to our specifications....yes, that means actual designs, etc...it took us 1 1/2 years to get our premiums just the way we wanted them...

Anyone that is in the business should understand that it is not easy when someone comes in and copies/duplicates/ or whatever you want to call it....even some going as far to call their bulbs the exact same name that we created for our bulbs...bring something new to the table...I am not going after the topper or mod business that some have created when I could very well do so...that is their niche and I respect that...all I ask is for the same respect/courtesy in the industry.

This is not a war and this is not what this forum is about...

Preach it sister! & LOL @ Br the bulldog

I'm not sure what this post is suppose to accomplish. But above, BR said Chris told him to write what he wrote. That makes him either 1) your representative or 2) a liar. Which is it?

Next, why does BR even know I purchased LEDs? It's none of his business. I'm very disappointed that the fact that I placed an order at all, something not a crime by the way, is something that BR knows. The fact that he came here using that information to accuse me of stuff isn't the important part. The fact that you told him I ordered and what I ordered is. That's irreprible. . I would challenge you to find another customer that has spent as much money buying your products as I have over the last two years. And this is the respect I get for it? Very unfortunate. At this point, I would order from pinball bulbs even if their products weren't cheaper just because of this.

As for stealing your product names, I don't see "retro" or "super bright" listed on the pinball bulbs site - even though that's exactly what they are. Certainly you're not trying to claim the term "frosted" as your own. Pinball life used that before you did.

Anyways, its probably best for you guys to stay out of this thread. You don't see me in your threads (yet) pointing out that the same products can be bought at pinballbulbs for cheaper - even with your discount codes taken into effect. Nor do you see pinball bulbs in your threads saying "hey we can coexist".

Note: I'm only posting all this stuff because you guys are in here discussing it.

Will you please comment about the leaking of customer information to other people (and posting on a public forum). This a HUGE concern for many people. I know I personally don't want any of my personal info being given to a 'bulldog' regardless of how nice he is.

Preach it brother!

I'm with you all the way on this one Mark.

Very surprised and disappointed in how this went down.

the information was not intended to be leaked...we were discussing it...never ever intended to be placed on this forum...if I wanted the name/info out here I would have posted the order myself and made a post about it...and no, I did not have BR do it for me....I have a mouth and mind of my own and I will use it when I want/need to....and I will and have apologized to markmon for this. I'm not very happy about this at all....I work too hard for my business to have this shit happen.

The information should have never been discussed with a friend/customer. I think that is the bigger concern.

Bringing it back on topic...bump for pinballbulbs...

not the response I expected. I do not care to support any company that may potentially get pissed at me for some reason and then discuss my business (and personal info) with a friend. Then you actually insinuate that you would just post it yourself if you wanted to.... WTF is going on????

Back on track >> thank goodness there is a new company and sorry for continuing to comment on the things that derailed this thread.

The point is that I did not post it....because I KNOW IT IS WRONG TO DO SO....I never said I was pissed at markmon...and that's why it happened...so I have no idea where you are getting that or if you are just insinuating.

Wow.. I bought a lot of bulbs from BCSpinball back in the day when he was the only pinball LED supplier and slowly shifted to Cointaker as BCS sort of drifted off. Felt bad for Bruce but that's business.

Now this? Time to shift again.. the circle continues.

PS - Terry at Pinballlife manages to still get business since he is a class act. I never saw him jump in here or in the CT threads.

You said earlier that you were not very happy about this at all, and here you say that you work too hard for your business "to have this shit happen".

So I think you need to ask yourself exactly how this happened? And who are you not happy with? Yourself for inappropriately discussing what another customer of yours ordered with another customer, or the fact that that customer posted that information here?

Hey all, can we please get this topic back to the OP Pinball Bulbs. If you want to start another thread to discuss the issue you all are more then welcome to do so. Please lets do the right thing here and allow the OP to have their thread back.

Agreed...

Cointaker rules and always go out of their way to take care of their customers; and make far superior bulbs to anyone else making bulbs; nothing beats their new flashers too. Just saying

I agree with you on this one and you know I do not like you.... car_half.jpg

Is this your car? I found it on the side of the road

Wow Derek, what an exteremely helpful and relevant post....lol

Another bump in a FS thread for Pinballbulbs (as stated in the topic), and not experiences with other bulb vendors...