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Interflip Dragon Club

By shimoda

4 years ago


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#1 4 years ago

Picked up a beautiful, new looking Dragon yesterday. Don't expect a ton of these around the country, but there should be at least a few. Would like a place to collect tech info, pics, and stories about this game - Baoooo!

#2 4 years ago

Lucky you! Hope to join one day...an all time classic no doubt.

#3 4 years ago

The sound effect always makes me laugh

4 weeks later
#4 4 years ago

Also recently purchased a Dragon.
Slowly bringing it back up to snuff.
Just pulled the main board.
Dismantled and cleaned the score motor.
Cleaned and cleared the base board.
Fixed the broken Jones plugs.
Rough cleaned all the relays.

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Lots of switch adjustments on the score motor and relays.
Was hoping this would clear my startup problem where the score motor just runs continuously on flipping the power switch.
Didn't....
So now i'm into the schematic and trouble shooting the startup sequence.

On that matter, i'm looking for a schematic other than the one available on IPDB.
That one doesn't quite match my machine.
There are 6 relays on the schematic (B, C K, CD, AM, KG) that dont exist on my machine.
All have to do with the coin count portion of the logic.
Likely a regional thing.
Mine is for the Canadian market.
IPDB schematic may be for a different market.

In any case, should anyone have a different schematic and is willing to share, pls contact me or post!

2 months later
#5 4 years ago

I purchased Shimoda's Dragon after owning one years ago. WOW, I can not believe I sold it the first time. Freakin fast! I'm in the process of making it a 5-ball game, as this one is hard-wired as a 3-ball. I'll have pics of it shortly

#6 4 years ago

We are really lucky here in Edmonton, one of our operators has a Dragon here on location (along with a nice Bobby Orr, Embryon and a Volley). This is a very unique game! Dee-Dee-Dee-Dee-Dee Baoooo!

#7 4 years ago

I added a light coat of 3-in-1 on the playfield and this thing plays like a new Stern! Holy smokes!

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#8 4 years ago
Quoted from DK:

I'm in the process of making it a 5-ball game, as this one is hard-wired as a 3-ball. I'll have pics of it shortly

Mine is hard wired for 5-ball. Funny as i seem to have the canadian version just like yours.

You dont happen to have a schematic for your machine? If so, does it match your machine? Mine is from IPDB and its got significant differences.

#9 4 years ago
Quoted from Fred736:

Mine is hard wired for 5-ball. Funny as i seem to have the canadian version just like yours.
You dont happen to have a schematic for your machine? If so, does it match your machine? Mine is from IPDB and its got significant differences.

I didn't get one with mine...

#10 4 years ago

Really you got the first #00001 Interflip Dragon, or did you Photoshop that in? HA! Unreal lucky find.

#11 4 years ago

Played Dragon on location this afternoon. There was an intoxicated lady sitting at the bar that kept immitating the game. It was pretty funny

#12 4 years ago

That's funny! I'd be drinking and making those sounds to if I was up in that cold weather.

#13 4 years ago

If the pops weren't worth so much, this would be a very balanced game. I wonder why they did that?

5 months later
#14 3 years ago

I've got a project dragon I'm working on myself.

I'm looking for a shooter cover for mine. Anyone have a lead on some spares?

I also noticed there is two variations on ipdb concerning the pop bumper assemblies. There's a square version and also a round version. Is the round variation more rare so to speak?

#15 3 years ago
Quoted from Moto_bone:

I've got a project dragon I'm working on myself.
I'm looking for a shooter cover for mine. Anyone have a lead on some spares?
I also noticed there is two variations on ipdb concerning the pop bumper assemblies. There's a square version and also a round version. Is the round variation more rare so to speak?

AFAIK, John's Jukes in Vancouver, Canada, is the only store that has a decent stock of Interflip parts. You may find what you are looking for there: https://www.flippers.com/catalog/index.php/pinball-game-parts-interflip-c-5_42

1 year later
#16 1 year ago

New club member! I have fond memories of the game. Looking forward to seeing if I can get her cleaned up and mooing again

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#17 1 year ago
Quoted from koji:

New club member! I have fond memories of the game. Looking forward to seeing if I can get her cleaned up and mooing again
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Certainly a cool machine.
All those latch-and-trip relays add a level of complexity when troubleshooting with the schematic because one has to continually keep track of each relay's state.

Post a few more pics. Would like to see more.

#18 1 year ago
Quoted from Fred736:

Certainly a cool machine.
All those latch-and-trip relays add a level of complexity when troubleshooting with the schematic because one has to continually keep track of each relay's state.
Post a few more pics. Would like to see more.

Sure, It's a project for sure, but thankfully working out.

Shed find, storage for many years, bought as-is.

I read about the score motors being seized up, so serviced those before trying to turn it on etc.. fixed a broken wire in the plug and she fired up into a score reset loop.

Serviced all of the score reels, they cleaned up BEAUTIFULLY, checked and adjusted score reels switches where needed. Still reseting, dug into schematics a bit, and found a score motor switch to adjust. Scores now reset properly, and the game seems to play and everything scores.

Still going through with the shop clean up. New rubbers in, I think the last part to give a good clean to are the Dragons.. apparently these are decent (A riend said his machine that has seen less use has chipping on the backs of the Dragon pops, so apparently that is interesting mine are pretty good).

Here's a before and after PF cleanup.. (Still working on Dragons).

Some misc photos I thought were crazy during the process.

Not sure about doing the 5-ball mod on this.. I need to adjust it, but it seems like you'd roll the score on 5 -ball? Still a fast drainer.. just seems to score high.

Unfortunately, the backglass on mine is pretty much shot .

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#19 1 year ago
Quoted from koji:

Unfortunately, the backglass on mine is pretty much shot .

Well the backglass on mine is also shot. Currently spending time on reproducing digitally.
Huge amout if hours. But working it in my spare time.
A bit of a slow down this summer but should pick up again in the fall.
Here is where i stand so far:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1xgGFPAr3YV4GQ6tLcZe_modYRfUbFs_V/view?usp=drivesdk

I'm in contact with two other fellows that are wanting to have a repro made. We are exploring different options right now while im working on the art work

Not sure if there us such thing as volume discout out there but if there is any interest in your part to join to group let me know.

#20 1 year ago
Quoted from koji:

Unfortunately, the backglass on mine is pretty much shot .

Also I just noticed the guy a gal's skin color are actually flesh tone on your BG! Is that just the picture and lighting effect, or is your backglass badly discolored or is that a color variation I've never seen before. All BGs I've seen, the skin of the guy and gal is pink. Just like on the PF.

#21 1 year ago
Quoted from Fred736:

Well the backglass on mine is also shot. Currently spending time on reproducing digitally.
Huge amout if hours. But working it in my spare time.
A bit of a slow down this summer but should pick up again in the fall.
Here is where i stand so far:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1xgGFPAr3YV4GQ6tLcZe_modYRfUbFs_V/view?usp=drivesdk
I'm in contact with two other fellows that are wanting to have a repro made. We are exploring different options right now while im working on the art work
Not sure if there us such thing as volume discout out there but if there is any interest in your part to join to group let me know.

I’m in for one for sure Fred736 has done a ton of awesome work on this. Thanks man

#22 1 year ago
Quoted from Fred736:

Also I just noticed the guy a gal's skin color are actually flesh tone on your BG! Is that just the picture and lighting effect, or is your backglass badly discolored or is that a color variation I've never seen before. All BGs I've seen, the skin of the guy and gal is pink. Just like on the PF.

haha.. yeah that is crazy eh?

I have to assume it is fade or discoloration on the glass, but it is uncanny that they are both quite human flesh with it.

#23 1 year ago
Quoted from Fred736:

Well the backglass on mine is also shot. Currently spending time on reproducing digitally.
Huge amout if hours. But working it in my spare time.
A bit of a slow down this summer but should pick up again in the fall.
Here is where i stand so far:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1xgGFPAr3YV4GQ6tLcZe_modYRfUbFs_V/view?usp=drivesdk
I'm in contact with two other fellows that are wanting to have a repro made. We are exploring different options right now while im working on the art work
Not sure if there us such thing as volume discout out there but if there is any interest in your part to join to group let me know.

Nice work. I will need to see.. ATM, I'm scheduled to trade this poor glass for a nice glass + some cash with a local pinball god.

Pretty lucky about that... I'm sure the new glass will be very nice knowing this person.

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BTW, is there a deal with the score motor and the dragons? I have gone through the papa videos numerous times, and it seems like it is scoring very quickly, and thus mitigates the skipped scoring when the ball comes down and inlane and you shoot a dragon down quickly.

May I ask what the observations are in this club to this regard? is there a way to improve this? or is it just how it is?

Thank you-

1 month later
#24 1 year ago

Finally got my dragon working but the legs and pitch feel wrong. Can someone tell me what size they should be thanks.

#25 1 year ago
Quoted from Twilight1:

...Can someone tell me what size they should be thanks.

The legs on my machine are all the same lenght: 29.5" over all.
Levellers are out about 3/4" more in the back.

#26 1 year ago
Quoted from koji:

BTW, is there a deal with the score motor and the dragons? I have gone through the papa videos numerous times, and it seems like it is scoring very quickly, and thus mitigates the skipped scoring when the ball comes down and inlane and you shoot a dragon down quickly.
May I ask what the observations are in this club to this regard? is there a way to improve this? or is it just how it is?
Thank you-

koji Not sure what you are describing there. Would have to play around with my Dragon to figure it out. Unfortunately, my machine is partly dismantled right now...

BTW, did you ever get your replacement BG?

#27 1 year ago
Quoted from Fred736:

The legs on my machine are all the same lenght: 29.5" over all.
Levellers are out about 3/4" more in the back.

Thanks for the reply Fred. I have 28.5 on the fronts and 29.5 on the back. I’ll have to go see what I have for spare legs now. Thanks again

#28 1 year ago
Quoted from koji:

Nice work. I will need to see.. ATM, I'm scheduled to trade this poor glass for a nice glass + some cash with a local pinball god.
Pretty lucky about that... I'm sure the new glass will be very nice knowing this person.
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BTW, is there a deal with the score motor and the dragons? I have gone through the papa videos numerous times, and it seems like it is scoring very quickly, and thus mitigates the skipped scoring when the ball comes down and inlane and you shoot a dragon down quickly.
May I ask what the observations are in this club to this regard? is there a way to improve this? or is it just how it is?
Thank you-

Also now that my game is at home and working if you need a video of something let me know.

#29 1 year ago
Quoted from Twilight1:

Also now that my game is at home and working if you need a video of something let me know.

Thanks.. I think they are ok, but if you don't mind, I wouldn't mind checking that out.. or check out the video of mine runng and let me know if you see any issue with the score motor speed?

Thanks-

#30 1 year ago
Quoted from koji:

Thanks.. I think they are ok, but if you don't mind, I wouldn't mind checking that out.. or check out the video of mine runng and let me know if you see any issue with the score motor speed?
Thanks-

Dam your a good player well done. But as far as I could see it’s all fine. Watch it once but got side tracked watching you play. So I had to watch it again.

#31 1 year ago
Quoted from Twilight1:

Dam your a good player well done. But as far as I could see it’s all fine. Watch it once but got side tracked watching you play. So I had to watch it again.

Hey thanks man!... Glad to hear that. Thanks for the sanity check. Such a fast game, but so much fun.

2 months later
#32 1 year ago

If anyone is able to help I would appreciate it! Looking for a solution or a schematic for the Canada version of this Pin.
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/interflip-dragon-starting-up-#post-6047121

TIA!

#33 1 year ago
Quoted from puck:

If anyone is able to help I would appreciate it! Looking for a solution or a schematic for the Canada version of this Pin.
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/interflip-dragon-starting-up-#post-6047121
TIA!

Unfortunately, I don't have mine anymore.

Maybve try reaching out to flippers.com

John Robertson would have had a bunch of NOS dragons at some point, he probably has some nice copies.

#34 1 year ago
Quoted from koji:

Unfortunately, I don't have mine anymore.
Maybve try reaching out to flippers.com
John Robertson would have had a bunch of NOS dragons at some point, he probably has some nice copies.

Thanks! Called and he still picked up the phone on New Year’s Eve! Awesome! Hopefully this brings me one step closer to a working dragon.

#35 1 year ago
Quoted from puck:

Thanks! Called and he still picked up the phone on New Year’s Eve! Awesome! Hopefully this brings me one step closer to a working dragon.

Great. Glad he was able to help you out. Reminded me of a photo I took of mine.. still getting over how large the document was physically . too bad it was in such poor shape .

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#36 1 year ago
Quoted from koji:

Great. Glad he was able to help you out. Reminded me of a photo I took of mine.. still getting over how large the document was physically . too bad it was in such poor shape .
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ENHANCE!

Something is still off on my score motor switches.... and from what I read on the 10 -170 schematic, this is what it should be... it's not... but I can't tell from the photos I have of the Canada 4 - Version of this game. The Pin keeps trying to award a free game while in play locking on the Credit Reel. Disconnecting the Lottery counter stops this, but doesn't fix what is broken. Think it might be the 4007s.

Rebuild the motors tonight for fun.

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#37 1 year ago
Quoted from puck:

ENHANCE!
Something is still off on my score motor switches.... and from what I read on the 10 -170 schematic, this is what it should be... it's not... but I can't tell from the photos I have of the Canada 4 - Version of this game. The Pin keeps trying to award a free game while in play locking on the Credit Reel. Disconnecting the Lottery counter stops this, but doesn't fix what is broken. Think it might be the 4007s.
Rebuild the motors tonight for fun.

Yes, if you have not already, you definitely want to service the motors. The OE lube had a habit of gumming up quite a bit, and due to some of the gearing, I understand that the can_ actually break.. so they need to be cleaned up to run for another 40 years

Sorry.. wish I still had my Dragon to help.. Wish I still had it in general actually.. such a fun game that does not get old.. family loved it, just didn't have space without the tough choices .

#38 1 year ago
Quoted from puck:

If anyone is able to help I would appreciate it! Looking for a solution or a schematic for the Canada version of this Pin.
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/interflip-dragon-starting-up-#post-6047121
TIA!

I've posted a copy of the Canadian schematic in your other thread. Hope it helps! https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/interflip-dragon-starting-up-#post-6054138

7 months later
#39 9 months ago

Has there been any options on repro back glass develop? I see some in progress work in this thread. Looking to buy a Dragon off a friend, but he hasn’t been able to locate the back glass so far.

#40 9 months ago
Quoted from TrueJedi:

Has there been any options on repro back glass develop? I see some in progress work in this thread. Looking to buy a Dragon off a friend, but he hasn’t been able to locate the back glass so far.

I've never seen a BG for sale.
If anything the 2 things I would focus on for future buyers is making sure that backglass is presentable and the cab is ok, as both are a PITA to source/repair.
Also, pick up the last of the NOS Interflip motors or relube it soon, as mine went out earlier this year

#41 9 months ago

Good reproduction backglasses would be next to impossible to source. While the modern repro outfits are mostly now set up to do mirroring, they are using UV-cured inkjet for the artwork itself. Dragon was one of very few games that mixed a fluorescent red pigment into both the pink and orange backglass inks, so when lit only by blacklight it appears very different than you might expect. You can't get the same effect out of an off-the-shelf pink or orange fluorescent ink.

It's very, very cool, but if you want a faithful reproduction you'll be looking at having a screen printer custom blend pigments.

2 months later
#42 7 months ago

Anyone know where you need to “ To change to 5-ball play requires moving a soldered wire to a different terminal on the Ball-In-Play unit.” where is this? Mines on 3 ball currently

#43 7 months ago
Quoted from TrueJedi:

Anyone know where you need to “ To change to 5-ball play requires moving a soldered wire to a different terminal on the Ball-In-Play unit.” where is this? Mines on 3 ball currently

Found it. Posting a pic in case others search like I did.

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#44 5 months ago

Hope this isn't considered spam, but this is one of my all time favorite games, fills me with joy to play it whenever I find one.

So I made a t-shirt

https://cottonbureau.com/products/dragon-knockdown

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#45 4 months ago

Hey guys,

Happy to say I'm re-joining the Dragon club (had one new out-of-box from the Vancouver warehouse years ago).

Anyway the unit I just bought is missing the back box pedestal. If any of you have your game broken down I would love a trace of the wood rectangle so that I can make one out of plywood.

Thanks!!

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#46 4 months ago

I have mine appart. Here is a pic of the pedestal for now.
I'll make a sketch with dims and post later this week when i have a sec.

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#47 4 months ago

Here are the dims.
The front and back sides are really made of plywood 9/16" thick. It's probably 15mm.
3/4" will work fine.
The dowels are not centered in the 3/4" plywood on mine. As shown on the sketch. You should measure the distance between the holes in your blackbox before drilling.

Color is blood red with heavy webbing.

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#48 4 months ago
Quoted from Fred736:

Here are the dims.
The front and back sides are really made of plywood 9/16" thick. It's probably 15mm.
3/4" will work fine.
The dowels are not centered in the 3/4" plywood on mine. As shown on the sketch. You should measure the distance between the holes in your blackbox before drilling.
Color is blood red with heavy webbing.
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Wow, the pinball community never seizes to amaze me. Thanks so much Fred!

1 month later
#49 75 days ago

Is anyone aware of the exact size of coil sleeves for the score reels?

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