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RETROFIT Classic Bally/Stern DIY Plasma-to-LED Conversion Display Kits

By acebathound

5 years ago


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#751 2 years ago
Quoted from Pinballer73:

I'm in need of a few sets of Williams System 7.

I mentioned this already in another thread, but I'll likely do a Williams System 7 set of my own design with the custom digits I now have. I'm ultra picky about what I want to see in certain products and displays are one of those things I need to look as perfect as possible. I've got a Jungle Lord we're keeping in the collection long-term with an LED set in it, that looks like crap, and it's going to bug the bejeezus out of me to not to at least prototype my own displays now that I've got my own custom digits. Will also allow me to use up what otherwise will amount to *at least* a 5-10 year supply of digits since the full Bally sets only sell a few a month currently.

I think what's bugging me most with the displays in Jungle Lord is the comma lights up brighter than the numbers. That's going to drive me into PCB design quicker than anything else once the game's fully up and running and in the line-up.

Obviously not everyone's as anal-retentive as I am when it comes to this stuff and to be fair, it's RANDOM anal-retentiveness I have no problems with cabinets being beat up, some playfield wear that's not in the direct center of the playfield, things like that. But displays having issues, numbers being cut off behind backglasses, commas lighting brighter than digits -- it's like nails on a chalk-board to me.

#752 2 years ago

Hey Wayne, you're amazing

I understand your point and agree on the sums you made to get to the final price.

It's funny to see how you can compress the number of components we put in the same set of displays

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#753 2 years ago
Quoted from acebathound:

I mentioned this already in another thread, but I'll likely do a Williams System 7 set of my own design with the custom digits I now have. I'm ultra picky about what I want to see in certain products and displays are one of those things I need to look as perfect as possible. I've got a Jungle Lord we're keeping in the collection long-term with an LED set in it, that looks like crap, and it's going to bug the bejeezus out of me to not to at least prototype my own displays now that I've got my own custom digits. Will also allow me to use up what otherwise will amount to *at least* a 5-10 year supply of digits since the full Bally sets only sell a few a month currently.
I think what's bugging me most with the displays in Jungle Lord is the comma lights up brighter than the numbers. That's going to drive me into PCB design quicker than anything else once the game's fully up and running and in the line-up.
Obviously not everyone's as anal-retentive as I am when it comes to this stuff and to be fair, it's RANDOM anal-retentiveness I have no problems with cabinets being beat up, some playfield wear that's not in the direct center of the playfield, things like that. But displays having issues, numbers being cut off behind backglasses, commas lighting brighter than digits -- it's like nails on a chalk-board to me.

That's great news mate! Now getting crack on the System 7 design lol

5 months later
#754 2 years ago

Guess I should check in more often, huh? I make the Wolffpac Tech displays. Thanks for the vote of confidence, and yes the profit margins are pretty slim.

Update:I now have Williams System 7/9 displays and System 11 displays. Will also have Williams 11B all-in-one and Bally 6803 dual display kits shortly.

Initially only with orange digits. Red, blue green and white digits should be available in about 4 weeks.

#755 2 years ago

Why are others spamming their products on Wayne's thread? Create you own threads for your own products.

#756 2 years ago

PinballManiac40
I don't think it's spamming when you read this

Quoted from acebathound:

Wolffpac sells Sys3-6 Williams display kits at $100 shipped that I wouldn't touch myself. Do people recognize the deal that is? Probably not. I've got no problem voicing a bit of opinion here on how much of a deal it actually is..

For those $100 early Williams display sets:
Priority shipping alone is $8-12
Paypal fees on $100 is another $3.30
Material costs $30.00-$40.00 most likely
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Total cost ~$50 or more when you average in variable Priority shipping rates to different parts of the US.

Quoted from acebathound:

Now go buy some early Williams display kits from Wolffpac for $100, it's a steal!

I think this is just the nature of business and creators talking about each others inventions and techniques.
But @Pinitech you do have a crowd of us that as you see protect and defend you.

-Mike

#757 2 years ago

I see that as Wayne answering a question as to why is was in no hurry to enter the Williams sys 3-7 LED display market because of what already is available.

#758 2 years ago
Quoted from Grizlyrig:

Pinballmaniac40
I don't think it's spamming when you read this

Hey Guys!

Yeah, no worries. I'm sure it was just a search that Wolffdp did for his website / name and saw what I posted. I'd actually imagine he was surprised to see a shout-out for one of his products from a "competitor" lol

Quoted from Grizlyrig:

But @Pinitech you do have a crowd of us that as you see protect and defend you.

It's definitely appreciated! I'm thankful of the supporters over the years! Great knowing that people respect what you've contributed to the hobby & have your back! There's now been several times someone brought something up and people have defended what I'm doing -- or in one case someone questioning if my business still exists because a phone number that never existed was "disconnected" hehe. Right away, people have stepped in to help set the record straight and that's been cool to see.

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#759 2 years ago
Quoted from acebathound:

Yeah, no worries. I'm sure it was just a search that wolffdp did for his website / name and saw what I posted. I'd actually imagine he was surprised to see a shout-out for one of his products from a "competitor" lol

You got it. Didn’t mean to spam the thread, I was really just trying to say “thank you”. I only added the extra info cause someone in the thread mentioned they were looking for a kit.

Back to hibernating.

7 months later
#760 1 year ago

A friend has a whole bucket full of original Bally 6 digit display boards. Many are missing the gas panels and some have the gas panels but are so burned/blotchy to make them useless. Can we still get the DIY retrofit display boards to convert the old Bally displays into LED ones?

#761 1 year ago

Pinitech may have them, but I'm not sure.
Ask Andrew.
The new boards make thing a lot easier...

#762 1 year ago
Quoted from KenLayton:

A friend has a whole bucket full of original Bally 6 digit display boards. Many are missing the gas panels and some have the gas panels but are so burned/blotchy to make them useless. Can we still get the DIY retrofit display boards to convert the old Bally displays into LED ones?

The RETROFIT Kits aren't currently available. I ran out of 6-digit pcbs early last year after I had ordered in another small batch on them when there were a few requests for small bulk orders of conversion boards.

One way I'd entertain selling them again is if there's at least 8-10x people interested in purchasing 2x or more sets of the RETROFIT Kits (ie. enough to convert 10+ plasma displays to LED). At that point I could order in another small one-time run of 6-digit pcbs this year, fulfill those orders. I probably have enough of the old digits left for a few dozen sets. Pricing would be slightly different for 2020, but as long as people are buying 2+ sets I could start pricing for AMBER at $99.95ea for a 6-digit or 7-digit set. If someone just wants to buy 1x set I'd have to be at $114.95 per set... which I don't think the market will support (hey, maybe I'm wrong?). I just know I can't support shipping individual sets out for lower than that these days due to material cost, PP fees, time of assembly for the kits, etc. But I *CAN* support something like $99.95 per set pricing (for AMBER digits) for people buying multiple sets.

The RETROFIT design was more of a stepping stone to the Pinitech UNO / TRADITIONAL full display kits, which are all new components, easier to build, don't require donor boards or special equipment, etc.. plus have the unique custom digits, brightness control, adjustment ability on the UNOs. With low interest on the RETROFITs after the new display kits became available, I wasn't going to fight keeping stock of materials to fulfill maybe a handful of orders per year.

All that said, I'm aware there's still some light interest in these RETROFIT conversion kits. So for anyone else interested in buying multiple sets of RETROFIT Kits at $99.95 per set for AMBER (or $114.95 per set for blue) -- send me a PM or reply to this thread. I'll definitely consider doing another small run of 6-digit PCBs to fulfill interest if I can get a head count of 8-10x people.

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http://www.pinitech.com - "Pinball Inspired Technology"
NVRAM, Bally/Stern LED Displays & Mods for pinball machines

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#763 1 year ago

I'd be interested in a set of 6 digit Retrofit PCB's only rather than the full kits. I'd source the components for them myself. It would also make shipping much cheaper as I'm in Australia. Any chance of that being an option? Even one or 2 PCB's would be useful to me at the moment.

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#764 1 year ago

Finally finished up the two sets I bought a few years ago, thanks to sheltering-in-place.
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#765 1 year ago
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#766 1 year ago

I have 2 sets of 6-digit kits (5 displays in each kit), and 2 sets of 7-digit kits available. One 6-digit kit has blue filters, all the others have amber filters. Just looking to get back what I have into them.
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