Game Of Thrones (Pro)
Stern, 2015My Game of Thrones is about a month old and I just noticed some ghosting on two inserts. I'm seriously bummed about it and I really hope it doesn't get worse. My distributor has an email in with Stern about it and we haven't heard back yet. Has anybody else seen this happen with your new games?
I have the same thing Hougie. On two of my shield inserts in front of the flippers. I've just been waxing that area more often. Who knows if that will help, but doesn't bother me.
Quoted from chuckwurt:I have the same thing Hougie. On two of my shield inserts in front of the flippers. I've just been waxing that area more often. Who knows if that will help, but doesn't bother me.
My guess is that the PFs didn't cure long enough. My understanding is that the insert has separated from the clear. I'm fine with a little like it is now but I'm really hoping that it doesn't get worse or start showing on other inserts. My primary concern is how a game plays and I buy them to play them. At least they aren't lifting and affecting play.
Quoted from pinballrockstar:Just play the damn thing, at least you have one, i don't.
Oh don't worry, I'm playing enough for the two of us. 
If they get worse I'd be upset, take new pics after every game so you can make a cool time lapse video.
For those of us who aren't familiar with the issue, what's going on? I can't really see the issue in the pics because I don't know what I'm looking at! I'm curious so I can keep my eyes peeled for the same issue on any new Sterns.
Quoted from nicoga3000:For those of us who aren't familiar with the issue, what's going on? I can't really see the issue in the pics because I don't know what I'm looking at! I'm curious so I can keep my eyes peeled for the same issue on any new Sterns.
See the small white areas on the edges of the inserts?
Quoted from nicoga3000:For those of us who aren't familiar with the issue, what's going on? I can't really see the issue in the pics because I don't know what I'm looking at! I'm curious so I can keep my eyes peeled for the same issue on any new Sterns.
They are white spots on the insert. The right side of that KISS lock insert, the bottom left of the 4x insert on GOT and the top right of the 5x insert on GOT.
Quoted from nicoga3000:For those of us who aren't familiar with the issue, what's going on? I can't really see the issue in the pics because I don't know what I'm looking at! I'm curious so I can keep my eyes peeled for the same issue on any new Sterns.
I'm pretty sure we're talking about this. OP should probably get a replacement playfield lest it become unplayable.
Quoted from nicoga3000:For those of us who aren't familiar with the issue, what's going on? I can't really see the issue in the pics because I don't know what I'm looking at! I'm curious so I can keep my eyes peeled for the same issue on any new Sterns.
Sheesh, that's actually pretty bad. I'm sure that could lead to inserts sinking or lifting over time and may possibly cause the clearcoat to chip from some unevenness. Hopefully it doesn't get much worse or that Stern can fix that.
Are they "Pro" versions? There is a thread where this is happing on a Met pro and the guy was told. Yes, this happens on the pros.
Quoted from DefaultGen:I'm pretty sure we're talking about this. OP should probably get a replacement playfield lest it become unplayable.
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Let's not get dramatic. I can play the crap out of a game with ghosted inserts but I wouldn't expect a game that is a month old to be doing it. Expensive, brand new, etc..Ya dig?
Quoted from jar155:Sheesh, that's actually pretty bad. I'm sure that could lead to inserts sinking or lifting over time and may possibly cause the clearcoat to chip from some unevenness. Hopefully it doesn't get much worse or that Stern can fix that.
I'm assuming the ghosting means that now there is a gap between the clear and the insert? Which means potential for chipping.
Stern quality has not been great lately. There have been some pretty crappy playfields over the last year. If these things cost $1000 it might be different, but people are paying $5000 - $8500. As long as people keep buying things will never change. I just choose to buy HUO at a discounted price later.
Quoted from jar155:I'm sure that could lead to inserts sinking or lifting over time and may possibly cause the clearcoat to chip from some unevenness.
Clear tends to chip along the insert edges to create the classic "insert wear" that we see in Williams WPC games.
Ghosting does not mean that the inserts will sink or lift, just that the clear is pulling away from the face of the inserts.
Quoted from vid1900:Clear tends to chip along the insert edges to create the classic "insert wear" that we see in Williams WPC games.
Ghosting does not mean that the inserts will sink or lift, just that the clear is pulling away from the face of the inserts.
Right, but that means either the clear has lifted or the insert has sunk. It might be a tiny amount, but the separation is sure to cause some flex in the clear as the ball rolls around.
Coat loosen from the playfield. As a result there is air between the insert/print and the coat. It will "grow" by time.
In the old days they used a primer before coating. Therefor the inserts looking "milky". In out das the coat seems to be better and the primer is no longer needet, therefor no "milky look" anymore.
Maybe the coat is loosing from the insert/print or the insert itself is not glued good enough in and the air comes from the underside of the playfield. The insert works in the wood.
On a new playfield for me not acceptable ! On a old machine this might happen and sometimes it helps to bring freash 2 component clearcoat with a needle between the coat and the playfield and polish it.
Very common on the old days for CV, ToTAN and ToM. On a new playfield ... no go ...
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Will this eventually damage the game or just make the inserts look weird? If the game will not get damaged from this and it just looks funny, I couldn't care less. In the meantime, this is my first new game so I'm definitely going to send pics to my distro with the hopes he reports it to stern so that they are at least aware of it and can try to rectify it for future runs somehow.
Sorry boys I cannot get a good picture of it. I have it on the top left corner of the targaryen insert, running all down the left side of Lannister and running along the bottom of the 2x insert. I can also feel a variation in the playfield if I rub my fingers over those spots.
Somebody in Germany posted this about his pro a couple months back, I believe. This definitely isn't the first instance I've seen reported.
Quoted from beelzeboob:This definitely isn't the first instance I've seen reported.
I'm sure it won't be the last, either.
I can usually find a little bit of ghosting on any clearcoated playfield somewhere; it just sucks when it happens on such a new game.
The plastic and the wood expand and contract at 2 different rates. The poor clearcoat gets caught in the middle.
This is definitely reason for concern. If the ghosting causes the insert to lift a bit then you will start to get bits coming off the inserts. This happens to alot of the later Williams DMD games.
Shame to see this happening so soon. And since it is so early in ownership, I would be concerned about long term effects.
Quoted from eliottk:Hello,
my GOT Pro had the same Problem (see pictures) I exchanged it.
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This is very similar to my situation. Sorry I couldn't get good pics, but these are almost the exact same spots on mine.
well too late for that for me, but that would be good to know for the future. I talked to Trent and he is collecting pictures and serial numbers for now, and is having me keep an eye on it. I will keep everyone posted on what ends up happening with mine.
Quoted from Hougie:Chuck, Yours probably has at least a thousand plays, right? At this stage mine only has around 300 or so. I'm just going to snap pics once a week or so.
Yes. However they could've been there for a while and I didn't notice until recently. I'll take a pic once a week too.
Quoted from dmbjunky:I remember someone mentioning that it is best with a new game to pull it out of the box and let it sit for a week or more to let the playfield cure fully. Maybe Vid can say if this would help or not.
One week will probably not matter in the overall scheme of things.
Those playfields were produced months before assembly; and if they came from Germany, then many months have passed before assembly.
Quoted from Taxman:Are they "Pro" versions? There is a thread where this is happing on a Met pro and the guy was told. Yes, this happens on the pros.
What a horrible checkmark in the feature matrix.
Quoted from vid1900:Some owners paid extra for what would have occurred over time for free.
Kids these days. Gotta have it now!
I'm almost positive this ghosting is from the inserts starting to sink. Under the right light I can totally tell that's what's happening with my Targaryen insert.
Quoted from beelzeboob:Well...now we know why the LEs cost so much more. They come with the ghost-free inserts.
Haha. Didn't realize that was part of it. Makes the extra price seem more worth it now.
There are so many "Ghost Busters" jokes. but it is just not funny.
If they are sinking can they be taped up and re-glued or is this a risk to making it worse? At least re-glue to arrest more damage.
Quoted from Eskaybee:Ok I think you guys just making me paranoid. My friend says mine isn't ghosting.
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I don't see anything in those pics.
Quoted from Taxman:There are so many "Ghost Busters" jokes. but it is just not funny.
If they are sinking can they be taped up and re-glued or is this a risk to making it worse? At least re-glue to arrest more damage.
I don't do playfield restoration. Not willing to learn on a new game either. I'll just keep an eye on it and hope stern makes it right if it results in actual playfield damage that affects gameplay. Not worried about the look.
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