Indiana Jones Restoration ... "It's not the years honey; it's the mileage."

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Quoted from Ricochet:
I’m trying these clear bumper bodies to get more illumination.
I don’t know... I’m not 100% sold on it yet. I’m afraid they will end up looking like crap.
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If you want my opinion, yes they will help light up the area but to me, they don’t fit the IJ theme at all and look like crap.

I went with yellow pop skirts and bodies and those fit the game nicely and the area is well lit. Not saying you have to use yellow but clear and red? Leave that to a pin like Diner. This is something you really have to think about since once it’s done, it’s done. There is a reason why you are doubting this decision.

Peter, you know I respect you and your decisions but I have to disagree with you on this one my friend

#252 4 years ago

DAD

Mr_Frog

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Yeah, the reason I went with the GI OCD on the Jokerz! is that there are some instances where it flashes the GI with relays (Extra Ball, ball lock) and it's damn near seizure inducing due to the nature of an LED's on/off cycle. The GI OCD returned the behavior to how they behave with incandescents, with the added benefit of brightening up the table. I used sunlight white LEDs in my game as well for places where it made sense, and the color temperature is basically spot on.

I just recently got a Judge Dredd where the previous owner did a lot of LEDs in the game, and some of the choices he made work OK...some not so much, so I have some tweaking down the road that I'm going to have to do to make that table shine. Side question: where did you get those lit posts? JD is notorious for having a dark lower playfield and I'd like to try some of those and experiment with different lighting options down there. The previous owner had spotlights with horrible purple lights, so I took those out about an hour after I set the game up at my house, but may end up reinstalling them with a different color light to get some more light down there.

#253 4 years ago

JIM

Ricochet

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Quoted from KornFreak28:
...There is a reason why you are doubting this decision.

Yup... I generally don’t like friggin with the look of the playfied... this is something I thought I wanted a LONG time ago... and now that I have to make the decision ... mmm not so much.

#254 4 years ago

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#255 4 years ago

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Davi

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Quoted from KornFreak28:
If you want my opinion, yes they will help light up the area but to me, they don’t fit the IJ theme at all and look like crap.
I went with yellow pop skirts and bodies and those fit the game nicely and the area is well lit. Not saying you have to use yellow but clear and red? Leave that to a pin like Diner. This is something you really have to think about since once it’s done, it’s done. There is a reason why you are doubting this decision.
Peter, you know I respect you and your decisions but I have to disagree with you on this one my friend

No problem, I just don't understand why the yellow is a better choice
If I have to redo, I would add clear body - no color wash of artwork.

#256 4 years ago

JIM

Ricochet

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Here is both ... I’m going with the traditional body.

#1 I don’t like the look of the lamp socket in there.

#2 The clear looks cheap to me.

#3 The lighting is harsh (understand this has to do with the lamp) ... the solid body softens the light.
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#257 4 years ago

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Quoted from Davi:
No problem, I just don't understand why the yellow is a better choice
If I have to redo, I would add clear body - no color wash of artwork.

I’ll look for the pictures and post them. They really do look nice (IMO)

#258 4 years ago

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Quoted from Ricochet:
Here is both ... I’m going with the traditional body.
#1 I don’t like the look of the socket in there. The clear looks cheap to me.
#2 The lighting is harsh (understand this has to do with the lamp) ... the solid body softens the light.
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Yeah! Much better! Leave that clear body for TZ or something

#259 4 years ago

JIM

Ricochet

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Jet bumpers... they truly are a semi-permanent installation.

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#260 4 years ago

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I like the clear bodies myself in your picture and what I’ll likely do with my own.

#261 4 years ago

JIM

Ricochet

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Quoted from dmacy:
I like the clear bodies myself in your picture and what I’ll likely do with my own.

Pm your address I’ll send them to you

#262 4 years ago

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Quoted from Ricochet:
Pm your address I’ll send them to you

HAHAHAHAHA

#263 4 years ago

JIM

Ricochet

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Quoted from KornFreak28:
HAHAHAHAHA

You’re funny ... but I’m being serious... I’m happy to pass them on. Turned out they weren’t for me but I don’t want them sitting around collecting dust.

#264 4 years ago

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Davi

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Quoted from Mr_Frog:
Yeah, the reason I went with the GI OCD on the Jokerz! is that there are some instances where it flashes the GI with relays (Extra Ball, ball lock) and it's damn near seizure inducing due to the nature of an LED's on/off cycle. The GI OCD returned the behavior to how they behave with incandescents, with the added benefit of brightening up the table. I used sunlight white LEDs in my game as well for places where it made sense, and the color temperature is basically spot on.
I just recently got a Judge Dredd where the previous owner did a lot of LEDs in the game, and some of the choices he made work OK...some not so much, so I have some tweaking down the road that I'm going to have to do to make that table shine. Side question: where did you get those lit posts? JD is notorious for having a dark lower playfield and I'd like to try some of those and experiment with different lighting options down there. The previous owner had spotlights with horrible purple lights, so I took those out about an hour after I set the game up at my house, but may end up reinstalling them with a different color light to get some more light down there.

Just look for "Star post light" in webshops, like:
https://www.pinballlife.com/star-post-lighting-kit-set-of-2-lights.html

You can also buy from Comet I guess. I have these from Aliexpress, sunlight versions, much cheaper.

I am also working on Judge Dredd. This pin has only about 16 GI sockets (including 4 at slings), so I have to also apply additional light. These star post lights are also applicable for double star posts. Please share your experience about this later.

This is my White Water with star post lights, the PCB is not visible.
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#265 4 years ago

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Quoted from Ricochet:
You’re funny ... but I’m being serious... I’m happy to pass them on. Turned out they weren’t for me but I don’t want them sitting around collecting dust.

Ooops I thought you were being funny

#266 4 years ago

JIM

Ricochet

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Quoted from KornFreak28:
Ooops I thought you were being funny

#267 4 years ago

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Years ago, I bought a full LED replacement kit (no colours, warm white) for my IJ. Got them all in, powered 'er up...and I hated it. I immediately stripped them out and put in new incandescent bulbs, and the vendor was kind enough to let me return the LEDs.

There's something about the warm lamplight glow of real filaments that just make this machine, ya know? I've seen plenty of other pins where the LEDs look great, but to me the Indy theme calls for old school. In fact, I bought a string of caged incandescent lights to hang above my Indy machine because they reminded me of the queue lighting on the Indiana Jones ride at Disneyland.

That said, your comparison showing the 'A' target looks great, and if you're going LED at least you're doing it right.

#268 4 years ago

JIM

Ricochet

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Experimenting cutting an acrylic back board. Still have some tweaking to do before it’s 100%

0.75 cast acrylic is some hard stuff!

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#269 4 years ago

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Ricochet

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Quoted from Davi:
Just look for "Star post light" in webshops, like:
https://www.pinballlife.com/star-post-lighting-kit-set-of-2-lights.html
You can also buy from Comet I guess. I have these from Aliexpress, sunlight versions, much cheaper.
I am also working on Judge Dredd. This pin has only about 16 GI sockets (including 4 at slings), so I have to also apply additional light. These star post lights are also applicable for double star posts. Please share your experience about this later.
This is my White Water with star post lights, the PCB is not visible.
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I will probably experiment with the star post lighting before I'm done. I think in some cases it can really help illuminate darker areas. Indy is fairly open but I'll give it an honest evaluation. Thanks for the pics!!!

#270 4 years ago

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Davi

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Quoted from Ricochet:
Experimenting cutting an acrylic back board. Still have some tweaking to do before it’s 100%
0.75 cast acrylic is some hard stuff!

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Nice...

#271 4 years ago

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Ricochet

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The upgraded ball trough from Marcospecialties has fit issue on my machine ... just an FYI. I’ve contacted Marco so they are aware. I understand there are tolerances but right-most machine screws do not align with the holes in the playfield at all... it’s a bummer.
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#272 4 years ago

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okgrak

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Quoted from Ricochet:
The upgraded ball trough from Marcospecialties has fit issue on my machine ... just an FYI. I’ve contacted Marco so they are aware. I understand there are tolerances but right-most machine screws do not align with the holes in the playfield at all... it’s a bummer.
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is having the upgraded ball trough worth drilling the playfield underneath the apron?

#273 4 years ago

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Ricochet

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Quoted from okgrak:
is having the upgraded ball trough worth drilling the playfield underneath the apron?

I’ve been noodling that. It doesn’t add a whole lot ... my machine didn’t have trough issues. The holes need to be elongated outward for it to fit.

... and truthfully... it’s pretty darn secure with the 4 screws. A proper fit for a $125 part would make me feel a little better.

#274 4 years ago

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Pop bumper playground is done !

All of my coils will be getting connector-ized BTW

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#275 4 years ago

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Quoted from Ricochet:
Pop bumper playground is done !
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What solution did you go with for the rotisserie (real panel area)?

#276 4 years ago

JIM

Ricochet

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Quoted from KornFreak28:
What solution did you go with for the rotisserie (real panel area)?

I actually cut a scrap piece for the backboard (for now until I get my new one fabbed) and am using it as the anchor

I had purchased the cheap a$$ rotisserie from Marcospecialties a long time ago and I wanted to see if I could make it work. It works very well.

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#277 4 years ago

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Shiny posts ... new Cliffy ... pinballdecals target decals.
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#278 4 years ago

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Replaced all the sockets on the lamp insert PCB.

These don’t solder well. Four of them were very loose, I could just pull them out. It doesn’t help that the 3’rd prong isn’t really long enough and the board is single sided with no feed throughs.

To extend the third prong and to get the solder to wick better, ultimately improving the adhesion ... I used a little wire as a wick.

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#279 4 years ago

DAD

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Yep, I'm finding that I am going to have to do the same thing to most, if not all of my light boards on my Dredd. Good tip on the wire wick...I will be using that one!

#280 4 years ago

JIM

Ricochet

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Quoted from Mr_Frog:
Yep, I'm finding that I am going to have to do the same thing to most, if not all of my light boards on my Dredd. Good tip on the wire wick...I will be using that one!

Tin it and dip it in flux too!

#281 4 years ago

JIM

Ricochet

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Replacing roll-overs. I was going to put 2 pin .062 pin and socket pigtails but I’m not crazy about all those connectors bulking up the harness bundle.

I decided to go with a leaner approach. The QD clicks on so it’s fully engaged.
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#282 4 years ago

DAD

Mr_Frog

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So, another question: Did you re-use the wireform from the old switch, or did you buy new switches with the wireform already on them? The reason I ask is that I have a couple of switches on my Jokerz! that can be intermittent from time to time. The problem is that the switch with the proper wireform is unobtanium. I have given some though to coming up with a process to either fab up, or farm out a process to re-make the wireforms, but then life got in the way and that idea got put on the back burner.

By the way, I am thoroughly enjoying this thread.

#283 4 years ago

JIM

Ricochet

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Quoted from Mr_Frog:
So, another question: Did you re-use the wireform from the old switch, or did you buy new switches with the wireform already on them? The reason I ask is that I have a couple of switches on my Jokerz! that can be intermittent from time to time. The problem is that the switch with the proper wireform is unobtanium. I have given some though to coming up with a process to either fab up, or farm out a process to re-make the wireforms, but then life got in the way and that idea got put on the back burner.
By the way, I am thoroughly enjoying this thread.

I just purchased new switches. Fortunately these are common. However ... I did install the original wire form on the new switch and it works perfectly with the new switch body. So you should be ok to transplant it.

Glad you’re enjoying it! I feel like I may be seeing some light at the end of this 1-1/2 year long tunnel !!!

#284 4 years ago

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Ricochet

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My Titan kit. I don’t like colored rubber rings... in fact I think the stock black looks the absolute best. White also works, but Imma sticking with black.

My major deviation is with the posts. I’ve chosen to make most of the posts green ... except the two for the captive ball, those will stay stock yellow. I have also changed the two posts around the center target to red.

I will be using red standard rubber for the flippers though.

If I don’t like the way it looks... all the colored (except yellows) will go stock black.

BTW I did create this kit in the Titan database. It does include the flipper rubbers even though I personally don’t use them.
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#285 4 years ago

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Quoted from Ricochet:
My Titan kit. I don’t like colored rubber rings... in fact I think the stock black looks great!
My major deviation is with the posts. I’ve chosen to make most of the posts green ... except the two for the captive ball, those will stay stock yellow. I have also changed the two posts around the center target to red.
I will be using red standard rubber for the flippers though.
If I don’t like the way it looks... all the colored (except yellows) will go stock black.
BTW I did create this kit in the Titan database. It does include the flipper rubbers even though I personally don’t use them.
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Just for records, the original rubber color is white

#286 4 years ago

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Ricochet

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Quoted from Davi:
Just for records, the original rubber color is white

Nope it’s black

#287 4 years ago

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Davi

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Quoted from Ricochet:
Nope it’s black

Zoom to slingshot.
https://www.ipdb.org/showpic.pl?id=1267&picno=4509&zoom=1

#288 4 years ago

JIM

Ricochet

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Quoted from Davi:
Zoom to slingshot.
https://www.ipdb.org/showpic.pl?id=1267&picno=4509&zoom=1

Son of A-b***!!! How did I miss that all these years !!!!

I’m an idiot!

#289 4 years ago

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Davi

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Quoted from Ricochet:
Son of A-b***!!! How did I miss that all these years !!!!
I’m an idiot!

I am sorry
If you like black rubber, go for it.
Factory doesn't mean that was the best choice. Personally, I like the white set, it gives a clean look to almost every pin.

#290 4 years ago

JIM

Ricochet

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Quoted from Davi:
I am sorry
If you like black rubber, go for it.
Factory doesn't mean that was the best choice. Personally, I like the white set, it gives a clean look to almost every pin.

Look what I found ... a white kit !!!! HA!!! I must have been delusional...
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#291 4 years ago

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Ricochet

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I’ve got most of the roll-overs installed. Still need to do INDY. If you go this route pay attention to the side the bracket touches the switch body... and put the diode along the other side. This will avoid a potential short caused by installation.

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#292 4 years ago

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POA gear box clean... sort of.

So I decided to crack open the POA motor gearbox to clean it and re-lube. The only way in was to drill out the rivets.

Welp once I got it open... I soon realized ... it’s fine. Grease is not caked and has a nice viscosity. Well shit.

So now that it’s open and I need to put it back together ... I decided to drill and tap for some #6 screws. It all worked out great. I still intend on cleaning the gear box thoroughly and re-lubricating with synthetic grease... just not today. Besides I can get in and out anytime I want now

BTW... prolly gonna change those screws out for hex heads... make it more pinball-y

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#293 4 years ago

DAD

Mr_Frog

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Another question about your switches, more specifically about the spade connectors that you are using: Are you using the narrow spade connectors that are only as wide as the prong? I've been looking locally and can only find the standard width ones. I would love to swap out a couple of hard-to-get-to switches with spade connectors, as soldering them is a bitch.

#294 4 years ago

JIM

Ricochet

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Quoted from Mr_Frog:
Another question about your switches, more specifically about the spade connectors that you are using: Are you using the narrow spade connectors that are only as wide as the prong? I've been looking locally and can only find the standard width ones. I would love to swap out a couple of hard-to-get-to switches with spade connectors, as soldering them is a bitch.

I got mine from DigiKey, they are the correct size for the switch spade lugs.
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#295 4 years ago

DAD

Mr_Frog

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Brilliant, thank you for the pic of the part number!

#296 4 years ago

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Ricochet

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Metal ramp refinish ...

400,600,1000 and maroon scuff pad.

Wet sanded, washed with purple power in between. Final buffing with the scuff pad. Don’t mind the dog toys ... I wanted to get good light on it
Took about 45 minutes.

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#297 4 years ago

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Quoted from Ricochet:
Metal ramp refinish ...
400,600,1000 and maroon scuff pad.
Wet sanded, washed with purple power in between. Final buffing with the scuff pad. Don’t mind the dog toys ... I wanted to get good light on it
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#298 4 years ago

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Quoted from KornFreak28:

Elbow grease ! Thanks for the tips!

#299 4 years ago

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Ramp flap riveted! That’s not a ball trail on that ramp... Is the shadow of the edge.
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#300 4 years ago

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