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Indiana Jones playfield swap and restoration

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3 years ago


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    #1 3 years ago

    I bought this beat up Williams Indiana Jones about 10 years ago. I remember playing it just a few times and then I started taking it apart. I removed parts of the playfield, and some parts under the playfield, and threw everything in a box.

    Now it's 10 years later, I have the box of parts but no pictures to remember how it goes together. When I bought it the old owner (idiot) ran a long screw into the bottom of the PF to hold the flipper base metal piece in place (see the pic with "Shorty"). The screw didn't break through the PF but it did raise it and ruin it. I was just about to have the PF repaired when a nice guy here on Pinside told me that Mirco just released some IJ playfields. I ordered one right away, and it arrived VERY quickly from Germany. Excellent packaging too. Very nice!

    I'm about 2 weeks into my restoration, right now I have a bare cabinet that's beat up. Right now I have glued the backbox corners, and am repairing a big dinger in the cabinet. Tomorrow I have to glue the corners of the cabinet and paint the backbox.

    Some wiring was flaky - as in wires just hanging and not attached to anything. So I'm sure I'll have questions soon. I'm using the Ricochet and MOF restoration posts as my guide (thanks!).
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    #4 3 years ago

    I removed all of the decals today. Glued the last 2 corners that needed to be pulled together. Tomorrow I hope to be able to put on the first coat of Kilz.

    #5 3 years ago

    I’ve got an issue with the cabinet. You can see exactly where I scraped off the decals. I’m trying to sand off the Kilz primer. I can feel the lines you can see in the picture, they are raised slightly. I’ve sanded and sanded and sanded. The orbital sander I bought yesterday (Bosch) plugs up every 2 minutes. The spots on the sandpaper are easy to remove with a razor blade, just scrape over the spots and they come right off. I’m not willing to put on a new $1 piece of sandpaper every 2 minutes . I need some advice, I think I need to sand with more coarse sandpaper to remove those high spots but would like some input. Thanks!

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    #7 3 years ago

    Thanks I’ll give it a try!

    #8 3 years ago

    The sanding was taking a LONG time, I'd estimate 5+ hours per side if I continued. I had 80 grit that's the roughest they had at Lowes. So I did a little reading and someone said try acetone. It works pretty well. I think it will still take 60-90 minutes per side. Lots of rubbing and it evaporates in 30 seconds so I am constantly pouring more on the cleaning cloth. I think the fumes may kill me so tomorrow I'll take that cabinet outside, it's supposed to be about 70 degrees tomorrow. Hopefully I can get it stripped, sanded a little and a coat of Kilz.

    #10 3 years ago

    Do you think this is smooth enough at the top of the picture? I did some late sanding there so it’s not as smooth as the rest. You can see the wood grain. It’s quite smooth but definitely not as smooth as the lower part of the picture (which is the top of the back box).

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    #11 3 years ago

    I used a heat gun a little and mostly acetone. Acetone and gloves and a few razor blades. Better work fast, the acetone evaporates in 15 seconds. It makes a mess, the acetone+paint+glue makes a gooey mixture.

    I have the backbox and cabinet painted, decals soon.

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    #12 3 years ago

    I put on the right side decal on the back box. Definitely can see every flaw underneath. I thought it was super smooth but I guess not. Hard to see the minor bumps in the pic. Some were in the graphic. I used the dry method and clamped the decal in place. Attached the lower half then removed the clamps and did the top.

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    #14 3 years ago

    Thanks, I'll try that on the other side!

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    #15 3 years ago

    I applied the door decal tonight. 90 min job because I'm trying to make it perfect. Cutting the round holes is the hard part.

    #16 3 years ago

    I have finished applying the decals. I used the dry method on one side, and Rapid-Tac on the other side.

    Both sides I aligned perfectly and then put down a thick towel and placed the power supply on the towel to prevent the decal from moving. I folded back the decal away from the backing and cut it about a foot from the coin door end of the decal (I started at the coin door and worked to the left toward the back). Starting at the coin door allowed me to align the red lines on the artwork. I folded back the decal 3' before I cut the backing because when you cut it you get little paper fibers that have static electricity and they love to stick to the back of the decal. After I cut the 1' piece I vacuumed the cabinet again to make sure no paper fibers were left on the cabinet. I then took the 1' piece of the backing and overlapped it under the decal so 6" of the decal was not covered. Then I rolled out the decal and stuck down the 6" piece of decal. Then I removed the power supply. The overlapped 6" piece of decal (that is detached, was cut off earlier) makes it easier to remove the backing from the decal. Hard to explain sorry! I left the unattached decal layed out flat, as I removed the backing the backing made a 'U' and was being pulled away from the coin door. I pressed the decal down with my fingers and unrolled maybe 6" at a time. I had no real air bubbles, just make sure you work from the edge of the decal and only do 6" at a time or less. If you lay down a big section of decal you may get air bubbles. But going just a few inches at a time worked for me.

    The Rapid-Tac side I had positioned the decal exactly as I wanted it so I did not need to shift the decal. I think it would have shifted if I had needed it to. I do see a scratch in the decal from my squeegee, not too bad but it sucks.

    The worst part was actually cutting the edges. The plywood isn't perfect so you need to cut about 1/8" from the edge. I free handed some of it and if you look close you can tell it's not perfect. Where I free handed cut it's right on the edge of the plywood so I could use a straight edge and cut 1/8" from the edge if I want to. I bought a 5' piece of aluminum from Ace Hardware to help with cutting a straight line. Some cuts I could hold the aluminum with clamps, others I could not use clamps so make sure the aluminum doesn't shift while cutting. I think if I did it again I'd hold down the 5' aluminum with pipe clamps and I'd get a cleaner edge. I think I may do this, pretty good idea!

    Another sucky part was using a paint pen using the aluminum as my straight edge. The ink bled under the aluminum and that was panic mode. All I had handy was some isopropyl alcohol which actually worked pretty well removing the ink.

    I guess the good news is I can finally start reassembling!

    #18 3 years ago

    They were RadCals. Might be because I used a scissors and not a razor blade.

    #20 3 years ago

    I've only used RadCals, so not sure if thicker than others. I would say they were thick and pretty easy to manage. The sticker didn't leave fragments, just the backing.

    #21 3 years ago

    The power supply has 8 plastic bushings where the bolts go through it. Are those needed? I have 4 and another 4 were broken.

    #23 3 years ago

    I mean the transformer, that huge brick! Thanks. The 8 fragile hard off-white plastic bushings that go into the mounting brackets and slightly into the transformer.

    #24 3 years ago

    Pic

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    #25 3 years ago

    I have to make a new 5 pin connector for the ball trough opto. I bought this connector from PinballLife. Is there a special tool I need to attach the wires?

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    #28 3 years ago

    I never realized they only used 4. Thanks for the info. Also thanks Chad for the link.

    I got the lines pretty close

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    #30 3 years ago

    I had a delay with Indy. Btw on Sunday night the movie was on TV.

    My well pressure tank finally died. Made it 48 years. Here is my new tank I installed. Took forever I had never used PEX before. Lots of little leaks in the copper fittings, switched to pipe dope and ditched the Teflon tape to fix them.

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    #31 3 years ago

    More $$$$ Pinball Life likes me. I’m up to about $1000 in the last month. Got a new rear glass mount, lockdown bar, new bolts. Look at the old big one that’s just to show how big they used to be. Already replaced round targets so now all will be new.

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    #32 3 years ago

    OMG $35 for that little thing? I think i'll use the Molex crimper. I do appreciate the link though

    #34 3 years ago

    What’s the best way to fix these pieces? Do they sell the material used to wrap them?

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    #35 3 years ago

    It’s hard to see with the fluorescent lighting but I painted these hammered gold

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    #37 3 years ago

    Thanks for the links. I never knew about Reese Rails, pretty cool.

    #38 3 years ago

    Does anyone know if I can see how many of these posts are used by IJ? I did a part lookup on Pinball Life, but there was no match for the post in this link

    https://www.pinballlife.com/1-716-tall-metal-post-with-cutaway-with-wood-screw-base.html

    I'm not sure where they go either, some were already removed when I started this project.

    Thanks!

    #40 3 years ago

    You rock! I'm working on Indy now. Raining and windy. Lights flickering, only a matter of time until I lose power.

    #41 3 years ago

    I’m making progress

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    #43 3 years ago

    Those pics will help a lot Ricochet because I have no clue how the playfield goes together! I saw you greasing the transmission and I forgot all about that. UGGG.

    How did you get the metal ramps so shiny? I have a friend with a bead blaster but that makes the surface so every fingerprint shows.

    #46 3 years ago

    Thanks. Elbow grease takes time.....but what else is there to do?

    #47 3 years ago

    I'm not sure what to use to attach the large metal brackets that attach at the bottom (near the player) that hold up the PF when you pull the PF out a foot and set it down. I have the close end attached with the bracket that stops the PF from going down into the cabinet (also holds apron), but the bracket at the far end goes into a hole that goes through the PF. I suppose it's a screw with a washer and a nut, and something on the PF must hide it.

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    #48 3 years ago

    I marked the new PF so I knew which way the brackets pointed and what size of plastic loop it used. I painted the brackets hammered gold rustoleum #7210 I believe.

    I thought it was odd on the original pf only one screw was used for each bracket, the other hold was predrilled but never had a screw in the hole.

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    #52 3 years ago
    Quoted from Ricochet:

    The right bracket is mounted to the stud on the end of the idol ramp.
    The left bracket is mounted on the middle stud of the steel ball guide on the left.

    I never would have been able to figure that out.....thanks!

    #53 3 years ago

    Ricochet is this the proper location for this light? It’s got brown wire, white/brown wire and one yellow wire. The yellow wire - I’m not sure where it goes? Was detached when I bought it. Thanks!!

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    #55 3 years ago

    Ricochet you rock, thanks. I have 2 of the 3 wiring harnesses mostly installed. A few things to finish up for sure.

    Did you put any mylar on your PF?

    #57 3 years ago

    I edited my last post before I refreshed my browser. Did you put any mylar on your PF? I'm going to install the pop bumpers tonight, I thought I better wait and see if any mylar is going in that area.

    #59 3 years ago

    I did a lousy job on the Mylar. Had small bubbles I just couldn’t get out. So I’ll start over. The new Mylar takes 10-14 days to arrive or so.

    Now got to get the glue off. Not happy.

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    #61 3 years ago

    Ricochet has me hand sanding my ramps. Nobody locally has those flap wheels. Still have 2 places to check, Farm and Fleet and Fleet Farm. I hand sanded this then used my buffer wheel.

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    #70 3 years ago

    I could research this, but don't want to! Too much work to do. How do I get the mylar glue off the PF?

    #71 3 years ago

    I made this little tube. It’s PEX tubing with 2 end caps. Who can guess what I used it for?

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    #74 3 years ago
    Quoted from Ricochet:

    Shipping back box metal trim? You sending stuff off for powder-coat or plating?

    I filled it with Acetone and dropped the metal bar in there for a few days to remove the paint.

    #79 3 years ago

    I found some flour in the kitchen (at least 12 years old), and I tried it and it worked great. The alcohol alone worked, but the flour absorbed the glue and made less of a mess. Alcohol alone smeared the glue around, the flour made it go quicker and with less of a mess. The flour did get in the pop bumper nail holes though, not a big deal. Thanks for checking on me!

    The acetone worked great on the outside edges, but the inside of the U it's not working at all. That paint is really on there! I'll just buy a new bracket, I like to use as much of the original game as possible.

    #81 3 years ago

    It takes a while to sand all the stainless steel. It’s hard to tell but it’s got a slight mirror finish.

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    #86 3 years ago
    Quoted from Paddy-o:

    Still in the parts ordering and deconstruction phase of the very worn IJ I just purchased. Loving these threads! Please keep taking tons of pics! ricochet you may be getting hit with questions as this project proceeds!

    There is a line for @ricochet, starts around the corner

    #87 3 years ago

    I bought a new toy.

    Can I install the large stainless “U” shaped ball guide? My Mylar hasn’t arrived so that limits installing things on the top of the pf. If I could install a few pieces at least it would feel like something is being accomplished.

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    #91 3 years ago

    I rebuilt the drop targets. The targets are new, everything else is original. I can't find the circuit board that goes with this @#$%^&*. I didn't throw it away, it's here somewhere!

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    #92 3 years ago

    Ricochet I see the new backbox locks I have are shorter than the original. Did you reuse your lock or you have a source for a new lock? I usually use Pinball Life, they are 90 min away, just because ship time is less.

    #93 3 years ago

    FYI - When you remove all of the stainless steel parts, do not put them all in a big box. The sharp corners scratch other pieces and make the clean up process a lot more involved.

    #95 3 years ago

    I have two of this tumbler https://www.harborfreight.com/5-lb-metal-vibrator-tumbler-67617.html?_br_psugg_q=vibrator

    In one tumbler I have this media https://www.harborfreight.com/25-lb-black-aluminum-oxide-70-grit-abrasive-media-61871.html

    I am using it dry with metal polish. It makes a lot of dust. I let it run a day, turn it off and let it sit several hours so when I open it up a dust cloud won't come out.

    My question is should I add some water to the tumbler?

    #97 3 years ago

    I have walnut shells in the other tumbler. I also bought 50lb of corn cob media, which is supposed to be even better than the walnut shell media. I haven't tried the corn cob media yet.

    Been waiting about 3 weeks for my mylar from Germany. DANG let's GOOOOOOO. I want that in place before I start to populate the top of the PF. I have been cleaning metal parts for 2 weeks, most look very good.

    Ooooo and the best news of the day, I have a big Craftsman sander which is currently on the floor because I need the space on the workbench. I moved it a foot and there was the drop target circuit board underneath.

    #98 3 years ago

    I rebuilt this gearbox and I am 99% sure I reassembled it correctly. But there is a small gap now. I used a vice grip to keep it closed tightly as I tightened the screws.

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    #100 3 years ago

    Today I see a package on the front porch. It's my MYLAR! Finally I can start populating the PF. Open the package, it's not IJ Mylar, no idea what it is for, but I'm not happy. Maybe in a month I'll actually receive the correct piece from Germany.

    #101 3 years ago

    I’m not sure how much of this ramp is visible once everything is on the pf. Not sure how much to polish.

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    #103 3 years ago

    Here is the #$%^&*^%$#%^& Mylar sheet I received.

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    #105 3 years ago

    I messaged the seller the other day and he wanted to see a picture and I just sent him that same pic.

    #108 3 years ago

    I noticed those were missing, wasn't sure what goes there!

    #109 3 years ago

    I’m almost out of my Aluminum Oxide media so I figured I’d try it wet. I saw a video on the manufacturer’s website where they added water. Sure will help with the dust if nothing else. I let it run 30 min then checked on it. It’s a dry mess lol

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    #111 3 years ago

    Wow is that a dirty playfield. I’m trying to order Comet LEDs. I bought the LED OCD board so I think I need non-ghosting lights.

    #113 3 years ago

    Yes you are correct I had it backwards! How do I know how many led’s to buy?

    Thanks

    #116 3 years ago

    I noticed those were missing, wasn't sure what goes there!

    Quoted from pinballinreno:

    Generally to take advantage of rhe bulk buys at comet:
    100 2smd sunlight frosted bayonet base #44
    200 2smd sunlight frosted wedge base #555
    50 5led flasher towers #906 base
    6 8led flasher towers #89 base.
    This is like my standard order.
    And another order later for the filliing in of specialty or missed items.
    I really like the translucent pop bumper bodies from Zitt and the 7led dual sided pop bumper light plates/disks from comet.
    This combo just ROCKS!

    Thanks! That helps a lot. I am planning on ordering tonight.

    My water + Aluminum Oxide with 2 pitchers of water was a HUGE fiasco. DON'T TRY IT. The water must only be for plastic media. It basically made a big muddy sandbox of goo. NO, there will not be pictures LOL

    #117 3 years ago

    Ricochet did you test the motors and transmissions before installing? I have a 12v power supply I could use.

    #119 3 years ago

    So one motor is fine but the transmission has a rough spot when I turn the gears. So I opened the transmission. It popped open awkwardly and all the gears fell out. I need a diagram of how the spaces and gears are placed. I could wing it but probably a bad idea. Or I could take apart the other transmission. I did a search in the forums and didn't find anything.

    I looked at my pictures from when I disassembled and it looks like I am missing a shim #$%^&*(&^%$. It goes on first. If you are looking at the open transmission, and the brass insert is at the top, then the lower 3 gears are one on the left, and two on the right (lined up vertically). I am missing the shim that is slightly larger than the others that goes under the gear on the left.

    Thanks!

    #121 3 years ago

    You can see the larger shim on the leftmost post at the bottom, somehow I lost the exact same shim from both transmissions.

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    #123 3 years ago

    I used a M2 washer from Ace Hardware. 19 cents.

    #124 3 years ago

    I rebuilt this transmission. I can spin it both directions with just my fingers.

    The motor works when I hook it to a 9v battery when it is not attached to the transmission.

    Once I mount the motor in place and adjust the gear play, I apply the 9v and the motor makes a tiny movement but then it stops and the transmission never moves.

    Not sure what to do, the transmission seems very smooth. All the gears are fine, no missing teeth.

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    #126 3 years ago

    "Not that it matters in this case but the gearbox you have attached to the opto assembly is the Path of Adventure gearbox. The idol lock needs the longer shaft"

    Good catch! I looked at my pics and I think I selected that transmission because of the red sticker location.

    1. You say you can spin it .. you mean by the shaft right ?

    Yes

    2. Can you see the gear in the hole where the motor gear goes?

    Yes, I think the motor is too weak or under powered to spin it

    3. Can you try the other motor on this gear box ?

    I will try it tonight, good idea

    #127 3 years ago

    It does work fine with the other motor. It's completely smooth one direction, the opposite direction it makes a little noise. I doubt I will take it apart because I just assembled it and it looks perfect. Might be the motor that is making the noise.

    #128 3 years ago
    Quoted from pinballinreno:

    Generally to take advantage of the bulk buys at comet:

    50 5led flasher towers #906 base

    6 8led flasher towers #89 base.

    What color? The Sunlight Frosted is not an option. Thanks!

    #130 3 years ago

    I'm up to $476 on my Comet order. I don't see the translucent pop bumpers. Might need to skip those. Are the 5 SMD too bright for the start button?

    #134 3 years ago

    I placed my order from Comet.

    Getting too crazy near me and I live in a nice area. Yesterday a cop got in a car accident near a protest.

    I found a new gear box for IJ for $99, might buy one even if I can get mine to work, just in case. I bet in 10 years there won't be any of the special parts available.

    #135 3 years ago

    I want to upload an iPhone video. Do I have to host it somewhere else?

    #137 3 years ago

    Thanks Aaron. I mean A A RON

    That's not the video I was going to post!

    #138 3 years ago

    I got the gear box working. It was binding. I made a 1/64” thick gasket.

    I was going to put the gear box assembly into place, but I don’t know what the 3 recessed holes are for. They have Tee nuts on top of the PF.

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    #140 3 years ago

    Thanks! Nice that you said they were 2" made them much easier to find.

    #141 3 years ago

    Got it in place

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    #142 3 years ago

    I bought this Cliffy protector in 2010

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    #143 3 years ago

    Comet order is here. And finally the Mylar from Germany ordered about June 1

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    #146 3 years ago
    Quoted from pinballinreno:

    Should be enough for a couple games.

    I used your suggestion as my guide. Then I bought in quantity. I got 300 of the 2 SMD wedge I think.

    #148 3 years ago

    I fugged up the pop bumper mylar again, this time I'm going to live with it. Even if I tried again there's no guarantee I'd do any better of a job.

    #150 3 years ago
    Quoted from Ricochet:

    You won’t see it... it’s a bit of a letdown once you get it all together and realize how very little of the upper playfield is visible.

    Thanks for the picker upper. I’ll be installing pop bumpers tonight plus those annoying metal strips

    #152 3 years ago
    Quoted from pinballinreno:

    As long as there are no bumps or wrinkles to affect rhe ball, your'e good.
    It will never be seen.

    I cut away the area with a crease. It's not too bad, but trying not to fug anything up.

    #153 3 years ago

    When is a good time to actually turn on the power? I'd like to test each bulb before I bury it under the plastics. I could tape up the coil wires which are mostly unconnected.

    #155 3 years ago

    I could use a rotisserie.

    The upper hole is not drilled properly. So the plastic looks like it will hit the metal pop bumper ring posts.

    Might fill the hole and redrill.

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    #156 3 years ago

    I said screw it since the other pop bumpers have similar hole alignment. Note the gold screws and messed up Mylar.

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    #162 3 years ago

    My original mini playfield is perfect, a 9.9/10. Think I should just go with that rather than swapping everything to the Mirco board?

    #163 3 years ago

    My original mini playfield is perfect, a 9.9/10. Think I should just go with that rather than swapping everything to the Mirco board?

    The bulbs are REALLY difficult to install into these type of sockets, now I have some repair work to do.

    I broke off a tab. Used 1/4” of a diode to make the repair. Be careful when replacing with LEDs. Very tight.

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    #166 3 years ago

    I bought 10 flex bulbs, that's just enough to do the main board. They gave me a code for free shipping on my next order, and a tootsie roll or two

    #167 3 years ago

    These holes are drilled too far apart so the screws are leaning inward

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    #170 3 years ago
    Quoted from pinballinreno:

    Way wrong lane guides!

    I have the originals and they are the same size. But there were several hacked parts on this game. Which is the correct part I need to order?

    Thanks!

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    #172 3 years ago

    This goes on the very back of the pf and it’s on the super small coil assembly that pulls open a gate. Is this a 10-194? I found it on Marco but it doesn’t say the length. I need 1.75”

    Thanks

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    #174 3 years ago

    I'm not sure what the difference is in the coil stop, and which switch type I need, HELP

    https://www.pinballlife.com/full-flipper-assembly-for-williamsbally-machines-from-021992-to-101998.html

    Thanks again!

    #176 3 years ago

    I noticed my original coils were both 11630 which is weaker. I’d rather have the power.

    My uncle died he was 90. He wasn’t in good health. He had gastrointestinal covid which I’ve never heard of.

    #178 3 years ago

    Totally off topic but this post shows I’m alive. Got this for my T2. Was about $10 total on eBay.

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    #179 3 years ago

    Got my Pinball life package. Another $296 dang but I bought 8 flipper coils and those lane guides and I needed the spring I had asked about. So slowly making progress. I’m installing the flippers now. I don’t like how the wiring is all bunched up in the lower left.

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    #181 3 years ago

    I decided to clean up my game room. It’s in the lowest level of a Tri-Level so it’s damp and spiders love it. I watch my sister’s dog a lot and the dog pees under the games, usually under T2 I guess she didn’t like the movie.

    Besides the games in the picture, I have JD which needs a shop job, AF which is 99% ready to play, CFTBL my last project that just needs to have the playfield populated after a pf swap, MB which is great except the decals are junk on the cabinet and the back box, and my prized possession a beautiful CV which is so mint that jefflange1967 played one ball and turned it off. I asked why he stopped playing, he said “it’s too nice to play”.

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    #183 3 years ago

    Thanks I appreciate that. jefflange1967 used to have 140 or so games and all of the top 20 best games. I bought quite a few from him before he moved to Florida.

    #184 3 years ago

    Judge Dredd was in storage. I’m going to get it working soon (after IJ). I set it up, it’s not too bad. The front by the coin door has some dingers but the rest of the game is pretty nice.

    Tomorrow more cleaning then back to IJ!

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    #185 3 years ago

    I’d like to attach the mini pf. I’d like to know what this hole is for before I proceed. The hole in the center of the plastic. There is no hole directly below it in the pf.

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    #187 3 years ago

    Good info thanks.

    #188 3 years ago

    I am missing some metal posts, they have a smaller lower diameter than most of the posts I have seen, and the holes in the PF are smaller. I don't want to drill the PF hole larger if I don't have to since the posts in the link below won't fit into the pre-drilled hole. Do they still sell the smaller posts? The link is to the larger post that will not fit in the holes on my PF.

    https://www.pinballlife.com/2-14-tall-metal-post-with-threaded-base-and-female-threaded-top.html

    #189 3 years ago
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    #190 3 years ago

    Slowly getting there. Some parts I ordered for the slingshots were shipped with something I didn’t order. So that will slow me down a little. I’m trying to finish populating the upper pf tonight and tomorrow

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    #193 3 years ago

    Is this 3rd hole necessary? I could run a longer screw through and put a nut on the top.

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    #196 3 years ago

    Also the color DMD. What else is needed? New ROMs?

    #198 3 years ago

    I’m getting close to where I can finally plug this beast in! Have some lights, switches and coil wires that I need to figure out. Also a round target - not sure where it goes. Will have to look through Ricochet pics. I know a target goes behind the captured ball, but this appears to go in the left rear not the right rear.

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    #200 3 years ago

    I rerouted the wires for the target but still have to screw it in. Missing a gold pinball. I see Marco has them about $15. I have a second plane I’ll have to look at Ricochet pics to see where it goes. It’s got zip ties on it so it appears it wasn’t in the game when I bought it.

    Thanks for the help on those left over items.

    I’m getting close....

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    #202 3 years ago

    I’ll take a look on my PC I can’t see it very well on my phone.

    What goes in this hole? A flasher maybe?

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    #204 3 years ago

    Does the POA ramp have 3 bulbs under it? If so does it matter which bulb goes where? Thanks!

    #205 3 years ago

    I'm annoyed, can't find a stainless steel piece that goes on the PF near the left side ball drain, can't find small orange piece of plastic that goes to the right of the POA ramp, under the ruins. Don't know if I misplaced these things or if the game never had them. I'll have to look through my pictures.

    #207 3 years ago

    Thanks for the help. I found these cool washers at Ace Hardware. Really help hold damaged plastic. My Ace Hardware is 1 mile from my house and if I go out to the street I can see their parking lot. Nice to be a 2 min drive (30mph #%^*^%#).

    I found the long orange plastic piece. Haven’t found the stainless steel piece yet.

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    #208 3 years ago

    I'm not sure which switch to buy, the part numbers don't match up. There are 2 available, and neither lists IJ as a compatible game.

    https://www.pinballlife.com/williamsbally-start-button-20-9663-1.html

    https://www.pinballlife.com/williamsbally-start-button-20-9663-16.html

    I see the difference is at the base of the plastic around the bulb, which is not visible in the pics on the website.

    #210 3 years ago

    It’s ALIVE

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    #211 3 years ago

    Thanks. I don't see a Super Ball on their site, I searched "Super" and "Super Ball" and "Super switch".

    #212 3 years ago

    I wanted to make sure the flashers under the POA ramp were working before attaching the ramp. So I decided to plug in the machine and see what happens. It's pretty good so far, some flashers not working, that is Monday nights job.

    I looked in the manual, but still not sure where these flashers are: Plane Super Ball, Totem Multiball.

    Again, thanks for the help, it's a huge help.

    #217 3 years ago

    In your first pic, the long stainless piece is what I am missing. I'm not sure what the part number is. Will keep hoping it shows up, I think the game was complete when I bought it. Also missing that 2" long U shaped wire, UGGGGG.

    I fixed those other issues, THANKS!

    Quoted from Ricochet:

    A few things I've noticed on your picture... (you may already know this):
    1. The bobbin spacer towards the front on the left side doesn't belong there. That is where the #6 screw for the metal ball guide goes. The bobbin goes to the left of that, in between the rail and the artwork on the playfield. There are two of them that will hold the plastic and are used to mount the shield that goes around the bend of the ramp. I'm not sure that the Mirco playfield has holes drilled for them.
    2. The star post closest to the front right of the picture is incorrect. That is where your ball guide on the apron will mount.
    3. The adjustable star post that is above it in the picture doesn't have the correct mounting post. It should just be a machine screw.
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    #218 3 years ago

    I’m missing a wire guide. I found this laying around. Not sure if it’s the right one. Seems too thick for the predrilled holes. 2-1/2” long.

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    #219 3 years ago

    Some things really “bug” me. Even if they are dead.

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    #222 3 years ago
    Quoted from pinballinreno:

    On wire guides.
    See vids guide on this its very informative.
    Basically the small hole they gave you is a locator hole as to where the wire guide goes. Its also a sufficient size to grip the wire, but too tight to get the wire to start going into the hole.
    You find a drill bit the same size as the wire or very slightly larger.
    You drill down thru the hole on the playfield about a third of the way down, say 3/16".
    Run the drill backwards to avoid chipping the surface to start.
    The small thru hole that exists all the way thru to the bottom is the friction hole that you hammer the wire down into so its tight.
    Place a the corner of a block of wood under the wire guide. I use stacked hardwood floor samples measuring about 1/2" thick from home depot or a small piece of 1/2" MDF. The height should be at the center of a ball or 17/32" center of wire.
    The half inch spacer block is just about perfect.
    Make sure there are no burrs on the wire ends. File them off so that the wire will not hang up in the hole.
    By using block spacers it keeps you from hammering too deep as its hard to pry the wire up if its installed correctly.
    Put a little titebond on the wire, it helps the wire slide in as a lubrication and causes the wood to expand tighter.
    This is how I do it.

    Nice info thanks. I added that wire kit to my cart. Just need to click CHECK OUT one of these days. I'm buying a POA transmission/motor. I think it's better to have a spare, these things won't be available forever!

    #225 3 years ago

    I think I just color matched the wires, not a problem.

    I’m using a lot of brass washers just because they look nice and fit the theme of the game. I am missing 2 gun screws which are hard to find online. I found this at Ace Hardware, not bad at all. Just need one more.

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    #226 3 years ago

    My right "Lites Hand Of Fate" light is always on (by the right Slingshot) . Not sure I have the correct connector attached. Ricochet pics hard to see the color of the wires. The big circuit board was not on the machine when I started the project, so I have no pics.

    #228 3 years ago

    Thanks I’ll read that in a bit. I bought these by mistake, I need the switches with 3 tabs. You think these would work in any of my games?

    Edit: I see the slingshots use one of these, and one with a diode, so I need to order some with a diode and keep these also!

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    #230 3 years ago

    I've got weird issues (this is where jefflange1967 says "definitely" ). In the Ordered lamp menu, some lights illuminate more than one bulb. The bulbs are not as bright as if just one bulb were lit.

    Some examples: Mode Start is selected, Mode Start is quite bright, also illuminated is the little yellow spot on the mini playfield, the 3rd light from the top on the left, just below the Pit hole on the left. This light is flashing quickly, and it not very bright.

    Hand of Fate - this is the light directly under the "Mode Start" light. It is flashing and very bright, also the 3rd light from the top on the RIGHT of the mini playfield is flashing and not very bright.

    Extra Ball very bright, 4th light from the top on the left of the MP is flashing and not very bright.

    A(D)VENTURE is flashing and bright, Extra ball on the MP is flashing and not very bright.

    So do I have the MP plugged in incorrectly? All the lights on the MP work in the test, they are bright and no other light is illuminated.

    It's 1:25am, so that's it for tonight. Thanks for the help.

    It's a little crazy around here, there are protests for a police shooting in Wauwatosa (about 4 miles from me). The cop shot and killed a kid that shot at him first. Protesters actually went to where the cop lives and fired a shot gun at him. They missed, I think 3 are in custody including the get away driver.

    And then Kenosha is about a 40 minute drive. Yikes it's crazy out there. I think I'll stick to pinball for a while.

    #233 3 years ago

    MP = Mini Playfield

    #235 3 years ago
    Quoted from AaronZOOM:

    Yup. More commonly known on this machine as the (P)ath (O)f (A)dventure.
    Pinballers do love their acronyms.

    I thought the ramp on the right was POA.....I haven't played this game yet, so I am just going by the writing on the ramp. Maybe because that ramp takes the ball to the mini playfield.

    I got some stuff done tonight, the left slingshot is all done, new plastic, new orange rubber ring, new coil, looks great. Can't find the bracket that holds the coil for the other slingshot, so maybe find that tomorrow and finish that. Also installed the ball kickout and coil.

    #236 3 years ago

    I found the stainless piece, was just about to give up. Was in a misc metal box. Now need the little bracket that holds in the slingshot coil. It’s around here somewhere

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    #237 3 years ago

    How do I test these lights in the test mode? I tried all lights mode. Maybe they don’t work!

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    #239 3 years ago
    Quoted from Ricochet:

    Solenoid/Flasher tests
    Those are connected to the "Left Side Flasher" #31

    Thanks. If I jiggle the wires the upper light works, so I'll re-solder.

    #243 3 years ago

    I painted and then baked in the oven. Sounds like a bad idea now. I’ll have to keep an eye on that for sure.

    #244 3 years ago

    The switch for the single drop target - does it stay compressed (pushed in, enabled) when the target is down?

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    #245 3 years ago

    I have 2 roll over switches where the switch seems bad. If I remove the wire that goes on the middle tab, then when I replace the wire the switch triggers in the switch edge test. I can just repeatedly touch the wire and it beeps each time. Does this mean the switch is bad?

    #248 3 years ago

    I fixed one switch, I did remove it from the game, still was flaky. Then removed the mounting bracket and then it worked. The metal wire was mounted on the pins closest to the center of the switch, so I moved it to the outer holes to give the button more room to fully extend, and now it works! Now onto the next switch! Thanks for the help pinballinreno and Ricochet

    #249 3 years ago

    Are these wires used? The red/black go to the coin door but I have a new coin door and it doesn’t have this connector.

    2nd pic my remote buttons, one of the best tools I ever bought.

    Tonight I’m trying to fix the left flipper button. The right flipper works. Left flipper nothing, in switch test nothing happens. I swapped the right buttons circuit board and that had no effect. So problem isn’t the switch itself.

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    #251 3 years ago
    Quoted from Ricochet:

    They are for a bill acceptor. The 9 pin one (its 110VAC by the way) usually just sits by the hinge of the coin door...unused. Since you don’t have the other molex that will be unused as well.

    Thanks!

    Left flipper still dead. Verified the switch/circuit board is ok. Re-seated all connectors on the board. I'll have to research how to diagnose!

    I have every other switch working, except the solo drop target I need to pull off to adjust, too hard to work on while mounted.

    #252 3 years ago

    Haven't figured out the left flipper. Haven't done much research yet. I did check the gray/yellow wire and it has 13.5 volts. I think I will rebuild the connector that attaches to the flipper opto next.

    I rebuilt the connector, I have a molex kit I bought from @jefflange1967. Still doesn't work. I took off the Fliptronics board, I am going to reflow the pins.

    I reflowed the pins, checked the 4 fuses. Still doesn't work. UGGG. Big storm tonight, definitely unplugging IJ!

    #254 3 years ago
    Quoted from pinballinreno:

    Molex all 3 connections to it.
    Takes 15 mins but, its well worth it.

    It's those small connectors that I don't have in stock. I have 100 of the 18 awg UGGG

    #255 3 years ago

    Shouldn’t I be able to check continuity between the flipper opto and J905? I started with the orange ground wire, no continuity. Can’t get continuity with any wire.

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    #257 3 years ago
    Quoted from KozMckPinball:

    In summary did you buy new screws and metal posts? Did you tumble the steel posts? Tumble metal brackets? If so, what tumbler method/equipment did you use?
    Thanks!
    Mick

    Edited....

    I used a tumbler, the large $135 tumbler from Harbor Freight. I mostly used medium and fine acorn (correction Walnut) shells from Harbor Freight. I bought some fine corn cob media from Home Depot but haven’t tried it yet. For metal polish I used one bottle of Flitz which was $$$ and a tiny bottle, so I switched to Brasso. It was $2.50 for 8 ounces. Some parts I replaced like the targets and entire flipper assembly. Some parts I painted they just wouldn’t clean up (transformer brackets). So I reused stuff if it looked ok after cleaning. Most nuts were replaced, especially lock nuts, the white material just doesn't look good, it's lost its bright white color.

    I bought a zillion screws from Pinball life. Most I just ordered 100 of each because it’s so frustrating not having the necessary fastener. I reused most posts unless I lost it or if the threads were messed up. I put on plastic protectors so some posts needed longer threads.
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    #260 3 years ago
    Quoted from pinballinreno:

    Did you put in new opto boards for the flippers?
    Ive had trouble with the left flipper on my last 2 IJ's.
    I replaced the flipper opto boards and the fliptronics board, the problems went away.
    The boards were cheap compared to hours of BS troubleshooting.
    Ks arcade fliptronic board $55.
    Flipper opto boards $12-$15 each.

    Didn't replace any of those things, but I did notice my Fliptronics board is from my TOM, so maybe it has an issue! I need to take notes and leave the notes inside the cabinet. I'll try swapping with TOM, great idea. I would have thought of that in another day or two LOL. The right flipper works, and I swapped the opto's so I know the opto is ok. Thanks!!!

    #261 3 years ago

    Swapped fliptronics boards, it works. Good catch.

    #263 3 years ago

    Getting close! Need a trip to Ace Hardware for a screw for the leftmost drain post. Haven’t tested the ruins motor yet (if that’s what you call it). I had no clue what the playfield would look like when I started it was mostly in a box.

    I think every switch works except one needs adjustment.

    Pop bumper LED lights are very dim or not working at all.

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    #270 3 years ago

    I have the Comet pop bumper lights installed. Most other bulbs converted to Comet LED. The pop bumper lighting is probably a wiring issue, I had to remove and replace on the new PF all that goofy ribbon wire.

    The Mini Playfield works, it's the other motor/gear box that needs to be tested! Maybe do that tonight!

    #273 3 years ago

    The lower gate screw - it's hard to see, what goes between the lane guides? Is it those cheap black posts like the rest of the lane guides use?

    Edit- I think I got it.

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    #274 3 years ago

    I looked at the broken Fliptronics board with a magnifying glass, could see some questionable solder joints. Added solder to several pins. Put it in the game and it works! Tested all transistors and they are all ok.

    Can't find the Slingshot kicker bracket https://www.pinballlife.com/williamsbally-slingshot-kicker-mounting-bracket.html

    Will look a little more before I add it to the Pinball Life cart. I remember seeing it and thinking it looks faded.

    #275 3 years ago
    Quoted from pinballinreno:

    Everything can be tumbled.
    Walnut media and a couple squirts of flitz.
    The key is cleaning the parts in a sonic cleaner before tumbling.

    What chemical goes in the sonic cleaner? My sonic cleaner is from Harbor Freight and isn't all that big.

    #277 3 years ago

    I dang messed up. I got 2 of the 3 pop bumper lights to work. The 3rd only has 2v. I figured the ground or the power wire wasn't making a good connection. So I poked around with a alligator clip running the ground wire directly to the ribbon wire on the cabinet. Then tried jumping from where the 3 pop bumper power wire ribbons come together. Touched something bad, now all the pop bumper lights are dead and the lights under the red lane guides up in the "INDY" area. I checked all the fuses, all are OK. Not sure what to look at next!

    I need to rebuild J120 and J121. The zoomed in pic shows a pin on J121 where the molex was burned. Looks like it’s no longer soldered

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    #278 3 years ago

    I rebuilt the J121 connector with molex, and put a new black connector on the power board.

    Fired it up.......still no pop bumper lights. Crap!

    Edit - I swapped the main board with my TOM main board, the lights still don't work. Next step look under the PF for a loose wire or a short?

    #280 3 years ago
    Quoted from Ricochet:

    If the other lamps in the upper playfield GI are still working ... you either have a broken wire or they are actually blown out... which would be weird. I’d bet the entire upper playfield GI is out.
    Did you check the fuse (F110)?

    I checked every fuse, pulled them out to test. The entire upper GI is out, the lights under the upper lane guides are out as well as the pop bumpers.

    Thanks!

    Update - the voltage of the lights under the upper lane guides is 3.1v, supposed to be 6v or close to that.

    I ran an alligator clip from one of the pop bumpers to the cabinet ground wire and 2 of the 3 pop bumpers are lit. So I'm back to where I was when the problem started! I'll re-solder those pop bumper wires now.

    #281 3 years ago
    Quoted from Ricochet:

    That is the correct placement. That yellow pigtail is the return for the GI of your pop bumpers.
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    This is the wire I wasn't sure of the placement, so I definitely have it in the correct spot. If I run an alligator clip from the yellow wire lug to a cabinet ribbon wire then 2 of the 3 pop bumpers are lit correctly. The upper PB (looking while the PF is vertical, so closest to the flippers if playing the game) is the pop bumper with a dull light.

    I have two white/brown wires running to the ribbon wire in the center of the 3 pop bumpers. Then a yellow wire runs on the outside of the lower 2 pop bumpers (closest to flippers), and the wire mentioned above attaches to the top left PB as looking from the bottom of the PF.

    #283 3 years ago

    It looks like you have 2 brown wires attached that run in parallel. If so that's the exact wiring I have. I think I'll try cleaning the pins on the main board, seems like I have a bad connection somewhere. Thanks for the help!

    #284 3 years ago

    I swapped 2 pop bumper lights, the light is bad. It's brand new from Comet. Well at least I can work on something else finally.

    Actually I still have the bad ground issue.

    #285 3 years ago

    Was this a wood screw base, or did you drill all the way through? Ricochet

    #287 3 years ago

    I don’t have a predrilled hole there.

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    #289 3 years ago

    Thanks @pinballinreno.

    Today flip machine on, none of the coils work. It's always something.

    #293 3 years ago

    The top left pin - doesn’t seem to be used so can I ignore the lousy solder job?

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    #295 3 years ago
    Quoted from pintechev:

    They’re all used...

    I'm not sure what it connects to. I soldered it, but would like to test continuity. Anyone know where the end point is on the board?

    In the pic it’s on the lower right of the bottom hole.

    Thanks!
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    #297 3 years ago

    The bad solder job is on BR1. BR1 is mounted below BR2 (viewing as mounted in the backbox). The power pin is in the upper left corner of BR1. The bad solder job is on the pin below that, which is the pin closest to the center of the circuit board. I believe this pin connects to J101, pin 6 and pin 7. Looking for confirmation What gauge wire do I need, and do I run just 1 wire to eith pin 6 or pin 7?

    The pic is from WPC Schematic Manual published 1993, IJ is also from 1993.

    http://arcarc.xmission.com/Pinball/PDF%20Pinball%20Misc/Williams%20WPC-95%20Schematics%20Manual.pdf
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    #300 3 years ago

    Does that air ball plastic fix a problem?

    I have the jumper attached.

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    #302 3 years ago
    Quoted from Ricochet:

    Yes the plastic squelches the airballs that often occur when hitting the center targets.
    Is that 18AWG wire? Looks smaller to me. If it is... I would go up a gauge (even though I said 18 was fine).

    I'm not sure it is thin though. I'll look for something bigger.

    #303 3 years ago

    OMG the Idol motor works in the IDOL test now. Motor isn't installed, that's next.

    Edit - Idol passes test! I ordered a new motor/gearbox ($99) good to have a spare.

    Hmmm, this thing might be ready to play tonight, just attach one ramp. Oh crap I need a slingshot mount, I'll steal it from another machine.

    #305 3 years ago

    Can you believe the start button was wired wrong, so I couldn't start a game? It was late so I went to sleep and fixed it today.

    Then I tested all coils, all are OK except the "Top Lockup Power" #36 in the solenoid test. It pops up a rod into the POA and makes the ball roll onto the mini playfield. In the test, it pops the rod up, but then it stays up. I assume it should go up and down. If I manually press it down, it pops back up. Not sure what it's supposed to do, but pretty sure it isn't pulling itself down in text mode.

    Thanks

    #307 3 years ago

    I just close the coin door to test coils. How would you enable the high voltage switch? I assume that's the switch by the coin door. I have 2 switches there, not sure what the 2nd switch does.

    So I was able to play a game, lots of issues, most minor.

    Hard to get a ball into the mode hole. Not sure the idol yellow stopper is working correctly to release balls, sometimes there are balls under the idol and they are never released, not even when the game is searching for a ball.

    Drop targets sometimes need more than one hit to drop. One drops half way (far left).

    Game keeps looking for balls, might be in the subway.

    Pop bumpers seem very weak.

    I won't be able to work on it until Sunday night, I'm going to a motorcycle competition in Mauston, WI.

    #310 3 years ago

    The 3 drop target bank is acting weird. When I am in test mode, it puts the 3 targets up fine, but then the coil stays in that state, so hitting the targets doesn't drop them. I looked at my original pics, and there is no spring to force the coil to drop back down like I would expect it to do. Any ideas?

    Thanks!

    #313 3 years ago

    I followed the science, I mean the advice. I took the drop targets off and tried them manually. It worked 80% of the time, the other 20% the coil would not drop to it's normal position. I felt the coil wasn't moving freely, so I put in a new coil sleeve. I also added these washers to give the stainless plate a little more room.

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    #314 3 years ago

    Played a game or two, the drop targets are fine now. The "Mode Start" hole had trapped the ball, and nothing happened. Eventually the game goes into find the ball mode and kicked it out. The next time it went in that hole it was fine. I'll check the switch. The 2 top pop bumpers don't work, and none of the lights work on any of the 3 pop bumpers.

    #315 3 years ago

    The switch isn't triggered when a ball goes into the "Mode Start" hole. It looks like the kickout metal sticks up pretty high. So it's stopping the ball from sitting down in the hole and triggering the switch. I also put a pic of TOTAN so you can see the metal kick out arm seems to be more recessed on TOTAN.

    I wonder if the spring I am using is too strong. So the kickout piece won't collapse and allow the switch to be activated.

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    Edit: the kick out is hitting the coil so it can’t lower into position. The TOTAN is strong so my spring is the correct spring.

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    #316 3 years ago

    After viewing Ricochet pics https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipParamCAZVfm8HR3_KpETzKG62DWi4gUs4k9WHgSBvClx6EVPyNlpXpvOMn0i-Tqg/photo/AF1QipNUlMLa0_opEmsy1xIH8wNQ2sdyqERe_MHN0jap?key=Q0xOYlVkbHFpWmI1LXBINlUzQWEteFZ1MFVsanRn

    I decided I had the proper coil, proper installation. I just bent the coil bracket (the large 4" high bracket just like the slingshots use). Seems ok.

    Played about 10 three ball games. Playfield getting ball marks and scratches. UGGG. All brand new balls.

    #319 3 years ago
    Quoted from Phoerber:

    rcsp and ricochet - Guys I just want to say your collaboration is why I love this hobby. You both personify all that's good about pinball, props to you both. I am now inspired to tackle my IJ restore as a result of this thread.

    Sweet, just don't do all the dumb stuff I did!

    #320 3 years ago
    Quoted from Ricochet:

    That is the correct placement. That yellow pigtail is the return for the GI of your pop bumpers.
    [quoted image]

    I noticed a stray yellow wire. It's attached to this same light socket. On one lug it's got a white/brown, the other lug brown and two yellow wires. One yellow goes to the pop bumper ribbon. Where does the other yellow go? I tried zooming your pic, looks like you have just one yellow wire. I soldered the wire where I thought it went but when I went into test mode the machine went CRAZY. It was as if I was pressing the NEXT button as fast as I could.

    Tonight I found a few posts that needed nuts, so I put on the nuts and tightened. Also drilled the hole for a post near the left side drain. Fixed the ADVENTURE targets, none of the 6 round targets work (2 loose wires). Took off the blue painters tape off the wiring.

    #323 3 years ago

    Blew fuse F115, and it's a weird fuse. I have 10 boxes of fuses and none are a match. 8A 32v 311. I replaced with the fuse from Judge Dredd. I researched and I see an 8a 250v will work, the 32v fuses are hard to find.

    I adjusted the pop bumper switches, all 3 pop bumpers now work.

    The @#$%^&* upper playfield GI is out again. It looks like ALL GI is out except the backbox. I checked fuses F106 - F110 all are ok. I removed the fuses to test them.

    I had the 2 targets backwards, the ADVENTURE targets "R" and "E". One is white/orange the other is white/red. Easy to switch by looking at low res enlarged pics. For Judge Dredd I changed the camera quality to HIGH from basic.

    Any ideas on the GI? It's late I'll check in Friday evening. Thank you all!

    P.S. I played a game and got a 6 ball multiball - it was crazy.

    #327 3 years ago

    I made a mistake, it was F114 that was blown, not F115. The F114 is a normal blow fuse, just a flat piece of metal not a slow-blow.

    #328 3 years ago

    I ordered lots of stuff from Pinrestore website. There's a note that says they reimburse for overpaid shipping changes. My shipping charge was $45!!!!!!! They better refund most of that.

    GI still not working, only the 2 lights at the top of the drain lanes that are always on.

    #330 3 years ago

    I actually fixed the GI lights, also sprained my arm patting myself on the back!

    First I swapped the main board with TOM and the GI lights worked. So I knew my board was bad. Then I looked on Pinwiki in the GI issue section. Very helpful. I checked the continuity of pins like J120-7 and J115-3. It was ok. Then checked everything in the attached pic. J120-8 and J115-4 did not have continuity. Checked the TOM board and those 2 pins do have continuity. I reflowed the J120-8 and tested and reflowed and tested and reflowed and tested, still no continuity. So I ran a little jumper wire. Installed the board and it works.

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    #331 3 years ago

    What do I use in test mode to test the pop bumper lights? The GI test does not light them. It's not in the individual light test either. I saw one was not working earlier, I would like to check the voltage.

    Now the upper GI is out again. It's possessed.

    #333 3 years ago

    Follow my other post here about a lamp matrix I am trying to get working!

    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/siegcraft-lamp-matrix-wiring-help#post-5874883

    #335 3 years ago

    No clue what I am doing, but I watched MacGyver Saturday so I can wing it.

    I got my lamp matrix working, and it acted strangely just like the lamp test. I see on the lamp matrix in the IJ manual, that the transistors in the lower right corner of the board are used for the lighting. I tested all of these transistors, and the Q98 was shorted (bad). Lucky it is the easiest to get at, the lower right corner, nothing below it or to the right of it. Just replaced it. Didn't fix my upper GI lights, they are still dead. So still looking for an issue!

    Maybe I should pop in the TOM board and see what happens, this is a quick way to determine if it is a board problem or a wiring problem. EDIT: GI lights work with TOM main board installed. I tested all the transistors, what would I test next?

    Thanks!

    #338 3 years ago

    I found the GI issue, J120-7 and J115-3 had no continuity, fixed that. Upper GI works again. What's next? Oh crap back to the lamp issue, such as Tank Chase and Mode Start light up in test mode when testing Tank Chase.

    Edit: The single lamps work fine with the TOM power board. So my issue is on the IJ power board. Time to do some research!

    #340 3 years ago
    Quoted from pinballinreno:

    Im where your at as far as rebuilding a very trashed game.
    But, i bullet proof all the boards and connectors early in the build.
    It really pays big time, down the road.
    My game is 100% now after 6 weeks of work and quite a few orders from marco and pinball life.

    What exactly did you do to the boards?

    #341 3 years ago

    In the single lamp test, column 1 is ok. Column 2 has issues.

    Tank Chase also lights Mode Start

    Adven(t)ure light also lights Hand of Fate

    This happens the entire column except Stones Jackpot works properly.

    So each light in column 2 also lights the light next to it in column 1.

    I tested all the transistors from Q83 to Q98 all are ok.

    There are other columns with issues but I’ll focus on this first.

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    #342 3 years ago

    I have a few TIP102's in my parts supply, but no TIP107's. What is the difference?

    #345 3 years ago
    Quoted from Ricochet:

    Have you checked all the diodes on your lamp sockets? Shorted diodes cause all kinds of lamp matrix weirdness.

    I’ll do that today. Do I need to unsolder one end? I assume I should start with the first bad light in the column???

    #347 3 years ago
    Quoted from Ricochet:

    Nope just test across the diode. Just test them all ... there aren’t that many. Don't forget the diodes on the lamp PCBs. There are also some on the POA... but if you don't see interference there then you may not need to go that far.

    Since the lights work with the TOM board doesn't that indicate my problem is on the board?

    #351 3 years ago

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    I need a TIP107, all I have is TP102. I read that Columns use TIP107 and Rows use TIP102. I had a ECG2344 (I guess that is a TIP102 compatible) where I need a TIP107.

    Could someone please give me a link to TIP102 and TIP107 on PinballLife? I looked on there and they must have a newer replacement since nothing matches up!

    Thank you!
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    #355 3 years ago
    Quoted from amxfc3s:

    Reflow all of the header pins on the driver board while you've got it out.

    Did that, thank you. Tonight I cut out some wires that were hacked and had the wrong color of wire. I wish I had done it way sooner. I had to do Molex work in the backbox, and the Molex crimper slid off the back of the DMD and hit the playfield and caused a minor scratch. 99% of it buffed out. It's barely noticeable, but still sucks. Now the GI lights all work and all the wires are the correct colors, and new connectors on J120 and J121 both on the PCB and the wire strands.

    On a side note, I fired up Judge Dredd for the first time in 10 years. Took me a few hours to attach the Dead World and it actually works. The upper left flipper is acting weird, but that game is fun. Has a 6 ball multiball. You can even start a game in multiball mode. After IJ is complete in a week or so, then I go back to finishing CFTBL (took a while to get the Mylar from Germany so I started on IJ). All I have to do is populate half of the playfield and apply the mylar. Everything else is done. Then either shop JD or shop and new graphics for MB, or new backbox decals for TOM. I do need to order the decals from Mirco and that may take a few weeks to receive.

    #356 3 years ago

    Am I missing a GI light? These are under the lane guides. The one on the far right is empty.

    Missing light would go where the red lane guide cap can be seen.

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    #358 3 years ago

    This is the post behind the drop targets. It’s brand new. Doesn’t work in the switch test. Is the wiring ok?

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    #360 3 years ago
    Quoted from Ricochet:

    Yup that looks correct.

    @#$%^&*(*&^%$%^&*(

    Thanks, I'll dig further into the wiring.

    Ricochet where did you put mylar on the pf? Do you have a lot of ball dents already?

    #361 3 years ago

    I removed the target and it worked fine. The switch throw is super small, maybe 1/64". So just tightening the screws made the switch close slightly so it was always closed. I moved the target just slightly and tightened the screws TIGHT and it's ok now.

    #363 3 years ago
    Quoted from Ricochet:

    I’ve no dents. I put mylar pads where the ball drops out of the wireforms and where the ball lands at launch.
    My playfield is original, clear coated... so it was good and pre-worn prior to restoration.

    I thought you had a Mirco also. Makes a huge difference.

    I used the fluorescent light to show the dents. I played about 5 games. I’m scared to play more. I can see having 100s of dents within a week once I start playing it. I’d guess there are 30 dents already.

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    #365 3 years ago

    I had some holes in the backbox that I had to drill out, I filled them with bondo before I sanded the sides of the backbox. That's all done, I put in all new carriage bolts and nuts.

    Fixed one pop bumper, was binding. Seems weaker than the other 2 in the solenoid test after the repair.

    Now the upper GI is flashing very rapidly. In test mode lower GI fine, upper flashing (set to level 7). Flashes when not in test mode also. I checked J120 and J121 and both are new and pins properly seated.

    I'll dig around under the PF a little, not sure why the upper GI freaked out. Indy is probably sad that the game is nearly done and won't be in the workshop much longer.

    Edit: Re-seated all connectors on the main power board, lights work! My pinball life package arrived today, so I am adding the last light up at the top of the PF under the lane guides on the far right.

    #366 3 years ago

    Looks better with the far right light installed.

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    #367 3 years ago

    Upper GI weak and flickering again!

    I tried pressing on CPU J211, re-seating J120, J121, wires coming off transformer, re-seating all ribbon cables. Checked all fuses removed with DMM.

    Edit: I tested J121 pin 1 and pin 7 with DMM, and A/C voltage is 3.1, should be 6.3v or so. I am just inserting DMM leads into the back of the connector. If I remove the connector, and touch the pins of J121 directly, then I get 6.3v. I cut off and replaced one molex connector, didn't help. These connectors are all new (which I replaced, so maybe my work is the issue!).

    #368 3 years ago

    I ordered a bunch of stuff from Pinrestore. Cool website, lots of stuff that is rare. I've waited about 3 weeks and today a package finally arrives. All it contains is mylar. I waited so long I ordered mylar from Pinball Life which arrived in 3 days. So now I have enough mylar to last a lifetime. Still waiting on the other 20 items from Pinrestore. The main thing is spring steel and a rivet kit for an arbor press so I can redo my ramps.

    Edit: Pinrestore stuff coming Monday. Will be a busy week. They refunded about $25 of my money for the delay, classy company. Check out their website www.pinrestore.com

    Edit: The refund was for the overcharge of the $45 shipping charge, so I still paid $20 shipping for stuff that would fit in a USPS Flat Rate Box.

    #369 3 years ago

    So I have no continuity from J120-1 to the tab of transistor 18. I forgot the letter number. I think I need to scratch off the trace a little and solder or run a wire. Thoughts?

    #371 3 years ago
    Quoted from Ricochet:

    You should always run a jumper wire to be certain you have a good solid connection. Often times when you scrape away the solder mask and add heat to these boards you weaken the copper trace and it will slightly delaminate.

    I had just finished fixing it and was going to post a picture. Then I read this so I ran a wire. It has continuity. Installing now.
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    Edit: GI works!!

    #372 3 years ago

    Now I'm finishing up some loose ends. The Super Ball button switch doesn't work. Current problem is the 12v lights in the backbox don't illuminate. All fuses are ok. Flashes on the PF work fine.

    #374 3 years ago
    Quoted from pinballinreno:

    The flashers are 12v. Black sockets.
    The regular bulbs are 6v.
    Are the 12v flashers LED?
    Is there 12v present with coin door closed in flasher test?
    The door has to be closed and the leds could be installed backwards they are polarized..
    Follow the 12 flasher wire to the connector check for breaks.
    Check for voltage at the connector.
    Check voltage at the pin in all light plus flasher test.

    No idea why but this time in the Lamps + Flashes the incandescent lights lit up, but the LED's didn't. Messed a little with the LED's and got all of them to light.

    Thanks for the post, it made me go back and get my DMM ready, but then the lights worked, oh well it's pinball.

    #375 3 years ago

    Rained all day, so I organized my screw box, and am trying my new Arbor Press / Ramp Rivet crimper.

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    #376 3 years ago

    Well I’m cleaning up I’m 99% done. I see stuff that used to look great and now needs to be touched up. So the lesson is cover everything with a towel, don’t set tools on top of anything.

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    #379 3 years ago
    Quoted from jefflange1967:

    Great job on the pin! To restore a pin that has been apart for years is a major accomplishment. Now sell me your AFM.........

    You see Jeff, that was your AFM, you should have never sold it! It's a fun game, the ramps are tough to hit consistently. I'm having more fun playing T2 right now. I played TOTAN for a week, I play 3 games and I've had enough. I need to read the rules for the 8th time, I never get all the Jewels. T2 has so many more multi-balls it's just fun. And I am pretty good at getting Super Jackpots, I have a strategy that works 75% of the time.

    #380 3 years ago

    Tonight’s job to replace this ramp flap.

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    #381 3 years ago

    The Super Ball light gave me some problems, I made a separate thread for that. To test it you actually have to go into the Flasher test.

    Super Ball switch doesn't work, I think I have a mismatched switch / button so the distance to the switch is too far. I'm just going to crazy glue a small washer on the button tab.

    I played a few games, after the very first ball launch the wire to that coil fell off, fixed it.

    I forgot I still have to attach the LED OCD board I bought. I'm almost done!

    #382 3 years ago

    I installed the LED OCD board, very easy to install too less than 10 min. Easy to remove too if I wanted to try it in other games. The printed instructions provide a bad link, but the website had much better instructions that the printed page.

    So the POA mini playfield, when the ball goes up there, what are the lights for, do you want to avoid the light or run over the lights that are lit?

    We have top men working on it.

    #383 3 years ago

    This sticker sometimes prevents the drop target from going all the way down. I can trim it but will it happen again?

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    #385 3 years ago

    The sticker was catching on the plastic piece that is riveted on to hold the target up.

    I was just going to put on the glass and move IJ into my game room, and the $%^&* "INDY" lane switches are not working. These are in the same column on the switch matrix as the slam tilt, which is also not working (again). It's late so that's tomorrow's project.

    #386 3 years ago

    Still have the INDY lane issue. But played a game anyway. Each time a ball is kicked into the shooter lane the 3 drop targets are popped up 5x. After the first pop of the coil the targets are up but I hear 4 more pops that basically do nothing. Probably a switch issue that I’ll look at tomorrow night.

    1 week later
    #387 3 years ago

    OMG just typed this all in and it got zapped.

    I installed a chip socket and a new chip for U20 (controls the lane guide switches). Also removed the corroded battery holder and replaced with CR2032 holder + battery.

    The battery installation went OK, I have 3v from the upper right hole in the PCB from the old holder, to the lower left location. Also have 3v from battery + to the ground on the CPU board near the screw holes.

    When IJ is powered on, looks normal, but the Idol just spins non-stop, and the message "Factory Settings Restored" appears. No buttons work. This is usually a bad battery message. I rechecked the battery and it appears ok.

    Not sure what to try next. I do have a T2 and a CFTBL that use the same CPU board that I could swap.

    Thanks!

    #388 3 years ago

    I'll post this for future help to someone. If the Idol just spins and spins at startup, check the ribbon cable on the far left middle of the CPU board that is labeled "Display".

    I got IJ working, thanks to ChrisHibler and zaza and DumbAss and pinballinreno and of course @ricochet! I think that U16 and U17 receive their power from U20, and when I installed the socket I messed it up. I ran a jumper wire from U20 power the the "B" bypass capacitor which also connects to U16 and U17 power. I'd estimate I took off the CPU board at least 20-25 times, but I learned a TON.

    Thanks everyone for all the help. I'm putting IJ in my game room now for a while, I need a break from IJ, so the CFTBL has been brought in the workshop and needs to have about 1/4 of the top of the PF populated and it should be ready to play! Remember it took 2 months to get the mylar from Germany (and after all that it fit like CRAP) so I cut my own piece. The spots for the pop bumper screws (the larger ROUND head but flat (x3)) were off by 1/2".

    I'm about to make a post in generic tech for board repair advice if anybody is interested.

    THANKS!

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