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INDIANA JONES PINBALL REAL GOLD APRONS (WILLIAMS) Crowdfunding project

By Mikonos

89 days ago


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#51 15 days ago

I prefer to focus on gold aprons from now on as it has taken a lot of attention away from the core issue, but, on the other hand, I have come up with interesting ideas, which is worth it!

If there are people interested in other things that I have shown, as with the aprons, if that is the case, I prefer that they write to my email. I prefer to keep my threads unrelated to traditional sales, I want them to be threads where ideas and concepts are developed.

Cheers!

#52 15 days ago
Quoted from Mikonos:

I prefer to focus on gold aprons from now on as it has taken a lot of attention away from the core issue, but, on the other hand, I have come up with interesting ideas, which is worth it!
If there are people interested in other things that I have shown, as with the aprons, if that is the case, I prefer that they write to my email. I prefer to keep my threads unrelated to traditional sales, I want them to be threads where ideas and concepts are developed.
Cheers!

Fair enough. I do see that many people are interested. Please provide a price for the product, that is all I am asking

#53 15 days ago

I think I’ve seen similar in the arcade world years back.

I’m not sure Mikonos if you had a bad rep during my KLOV days but I remember your name/handle.

Edit - appears you are banned from KLOV.

Quoted from AaronZOOM:

I knew those Indiana Jones icons looked familiar, and that's because I've been using them on my computer since 2008.
https://iconfactory.com/indianajones/
Don't you think it's a little disingenuous to put "designed by Mikonos" on everything when they're not your designs?

#54 15 days ago

Be careful pinsiders…

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#55 15 days ago

Yes, I'm the same user as that one from 9 years ago, and I have to say that I don't regret anything, because I haven't done anything wrong. "I have never hidden!" (I wrote that 9 years ago in that same thread, I think. ).

The truth is written there for those who want to read it and draw their own conclusions from it.

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About the price, like I said, I want to keep the thread clean because it's a concept thread. I'm so sorry! If anyone else is interested, you can use my email:

[email protected]

The day after tomorrow, I will post the first photos of this work/mod that I ordered to be printed for one of the "pinside users". Then I will put the photos that the user took.

NOTE: I have to warn you not to expect to see a sales thread for this item. My interest in this project has been satisfied and I will move on to the realization of the next idea and exactly the same thing will happen.

Cheers!

#56 14 days ago
Quoted from AaronZOOM:

I knew those Indiana Jones icons looked familiar, and that's because I've been using them on my computer since 2008.
https://iconfactory.com/indianajones/
Don't you think it's a little disingenuous to put "designed by Mikonos" on everything when they're not your designs?

I know why he's doing it and it has to do more with the fact that the art is now in some sort of digital form that can easily be copied, stolen, and/or used by people in the manner he intended, but won't see any payment for. It's kind of the same thing with me when I completely redrew the apron art from TAF. I spent many tens of hours pouring over the scans I made and redrawing the artwork meticulously to make sure it was absolutely 100% dead on. From there, I went and recolored it to mach the rest of the game(something Bally never did as they just kept aprons to two or three colors). I "protected" my work by only uploading low-res jpgs so that no one would be able to just take my artwork and use it however and whenever they want. I did however send said artwork to those that were going to remake the TAF aprons in exchange for one when they started making them, but that never came to fruition and now there's a copy of my original vector artwork out there and I'm afraid of it getting out for anybody and their brother to use. If that happens, I'll be plenty upset, believe me.

Similar thing as when I completely redid the FiFJr artwork to Disney built cabinet accuracy. I was asked to redo that artwork by someone promising to pay me for my time, but never got paid. I spent over one hundred hours making it 99.99% perfect. When I realized he'd never be paying for that much time, I decided that I'd be the one controlling when and where they got printed and shipped out to people. I ended up only printing one set of cabinet art and shipping it out to who I was told was the famously multi-forum banned "K" man. At this point, there's nothing stopping him from scanning my artwork and selling sets of that artwork himself. But that's ok by me! I purposely put some markers/purposeful bits in the artwork that only I know about that will allow me to easily identify it as my artwork that someone must've bought from some unscrupulous soul.

I do regularly do artwork here on the forum for people and their restoration projects for free, but they're very small scale and I can usually crank them out in an hour or so and there is usually nowhere else for the owner to go for such work, so I'm happy to do it. Plus, it keeps the restoration quality up at a slightly higher level as some of these guys I've done work for, have no way of doing the artwork themselves and I like being able to see something like that done correctly and properly the first time.

Granted neither of us own this B/W artwork, it's all PPS's, but it's just a matter of protecting its use by people who can't redraw it themselves and just use the assets we spent many hours recreating. Keep in mind, most really good graphic artists charge $100/hr and up for their services. It's a very special thing to do well, and to have your work just yanked from you without your consent, or when you're not offering it up for free, hurts and really pisses you off.

Can you imagine if someone bought Aurich's original version of The Shadow translite, scanned it, and started selling it themselves? He would rain down fire and brimstone on them!

#57 14 days ago

I don't think a good restoration should be a drawing, in my opinion. A good restoration is to restore exactly the original while preserving the good work of the original author. I am completely opposed to vectorization, I only use this when I have no other choice.

Curiously, I have restored "The Addams Family Pinball Decals" (BALLY), and although it took a long time, my restoration is the most reliable that can be found anywhere on the net.

https://zonaarcade.forumcommunity.net/?t=61841174#entry446602391

To use vectors destroy the hand's made of the original author. Many amateurs, who start restoring, replace the "dot pattern" with gradients made with Photoshop or Adobe illustration, which is an even worse defect.

Cheers!

#61 14 days ago

I invite you to read carefully about this problem that I had 9 years ago, it is the best way to understand what happened.

I have done many things for many people over the course of 17 years. Are you interested in knowing this too? Here is a link to everything (relevant) I've done (I just posted something new for one of my users today):

https://zonaarcade.forumcommunity.net/?f=5117210

Yes, it's crazy, but I document everything I do for my safety and safety of my users.

Cheers!

#62 14 days ago

Multiple over the course of multiple years.

Quoted from Bryan_Kelly:

Was that the only time things went bad or were there multiple times?

#63 14 days ago

Multiple over the course of multiple years, multiple decades, multiple generations and multiple civilizations.

Quoted from djsolzs:

Multiple over the course of multiple years.

All are here (years of dark concentrated goings-on. ):

https://zonaarcade.forumcommunity.net/?f=9096250

https://zonaarcade.forumcommunity.net/?f=7518790

https://zonaarcade.forumcommunity.net/?f=4697600

https://zonaarcade.forumcommunity.net/?f=1020516

https://zonaarcade.forumcommunity.net/?f=7749437

https://zonaarcade.forumcommunity.net/?f=5117210

I always say the same: The best thing is to check it by yourself!

If this isn't impressive, I don't know what is!

Cheers!

#64 14 days ago

I haven’t had any interaction with you so I am not trying to take a stance one way or another. I just know beyond the fraud accusations interacting with you may be difficult… might not.

I think it is fair to call out that you don’t have 5 star reviews and are actively banned in another forum in which you tried to sell similar products.

Quoted from Mikonos:

Multiple over the course of multiple years, multiple decades, multiple generations and multiple civilizations.

All are here (years of dark concentrated goings-on. ):
https://zonaarcade.forumcommunity.net/?f=9096250
https://zonaarcade.forumcommunity.net/?f=7518790
https://zonaarcade.forumcommunity.net/?f=4697600
https://zonaarcade.forumcommunity.net/?f=1020516
https://zonaarcade.forumcommunity.net/?f=7749437
https://zonaarcade.forumcommunity.net/?f=5117210
I always say the same: The best thing is to check it by yourself!
If this isn't impressive, I don't know what is!
Cheers!

#65 14 days ago

Of course, you are not trolling!

Don't worry!

Cheers!

#66 14 days ago

I had a very positive experience with Mikonos in 2020. Contacted him via e-mail with what I wanted to purchase and he gave me a price. Shipping took about 6 weeks but that was out of his control and he did provide a tracking number.
I was VERY happy with what I received and would not hesitate to deal with him again.

#67 13 days ago
Quoted from RobertWinter:

I had a very positive experience with Mikonos in 2020. Contacted him via e-mail with what I wanted to purchase and he gave me a price. Shipping took about 6 weeks but that was out of his control and he did provide a tracking number.
I was VERY happy with what I received and would not hesitate to deal with him again.

Hi RobertWinter!

Thanks for your comment!

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It is clear that if you have been in communication with other fans of the arcade and pinball world for a long time, there can be some bad interactions. The "supposedly" professional stores have them, how is this not going to happen between fans? There is always a color that does not match or something has gone wrong in the transport, there may even be an attempt to scam.

In my case, I receive a lot of requests, and it's normal because I'm a huge collector of arcade and pinball art, and I reject or don't respond to many requests, and that can also be annoying. But, there are also people who get upset because they don't like a price from you or they simply don't like that you have so many pieces of art or a specific piece, simply.

*Surely this has happened to more than one of you, I mean having something that others want and you are upset because other have something that you want. We are human, and it is part of the nature of some of us.

10 years ago people were very upset because they thought that my skills should be put at the service of the fan for free, since I, like everyone else, loved these hobbies. The problem is that I had already done this, and my artworks and restorations started to be cataloged (and they are still part now) by "professional" arcade and pinball shops. I could point them out, and you might even see my characteristic badly erased watermarks on their thumbnails.

That ended! My artwork is no longer freely shared, I don't sell files either, I just trade them with other hobbyists who have "their own files" unrestored, as I prefer to restore everything by myself and only trust my work.

Cheers!

#68 13 days ago

IMPORTANT: Use my links for a full quality photos:

"Indiana Jones Pinball Metallic Gold Aprons Mod" (WILLIAMS) printed on gold metallic vinyl with white ink, gloss protective lamination and precut (photo 1).
https://www.zonaarcade.com/fotos/artes/Indiana-Jones-Pinball-Gold-Aprons-print1.JPG
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"Indiana Jones Pinball Metallic Gold Aprons Mod" (WILLIAMS) printed on gold metallic vinyl with white ink, gloss protective lamination and precut (photo 2).
https://www.zonaarcade.com/fotos/artes/Indiana-Jones-Pinball-Gold-Aprons-print2.JPG
Indiana-Jones-Pinball-Gold-Aprons-print2.jpg
"Indiana Jones Pinball Metallic Gold Aprons Mod" (WILLIAMS) printed on gold metallic vinyl with white ink, gloss protective lamination and precut (photo 3).
https://www.zonaarcade.com/fotos/artes/Indiana-Jones-Pinball-Gold-Aprons-print3.JPG
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I want to emphasize several things about this printing:

1) It is printed on gold metallic vinyl.

2) It has a U.V. gloss protective laminated. They will never get dirty.

3) The die of the pieces is absolutely perfect and is centred.

Regards

#69 13 days ago
Quoted from Mikonos:

3) The die of the pieces is absolutely perfect and is centred.

What a weird thing to say. Almost feels like a dig at my earlier posting.

Surprise! Mine are “perfectly centered” too!
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#70 13 days ago
Quoted from AaronZOOM:

What a weird thing to say. Almost feels like a dig at my earlier posting.
Surprise! Mine are “perfectly centered” too!
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Great for you! ... but it is not an attack of your work. Cutting is always difficult for plotters, and, on several occasions, there are deviations.

If you look at your shooter apron, the cut has gone to the left so much, if you look at your Left apron, the cut has gone to the left and is diagonal; you will see this better looking at the base of the Left apron. There is not the same thickness of the black band at the base on the left as on the right, there is a diagonal die cut line.

Even in your current middle apron, the cut has gone slightly to the left again, but it's a totally acceptable result, but not perfect like my aprons.

I have emphasized this, because my regular printer uses an HP cutting plotter that corrects the small deviations that the material undergoes due to shrinkage and expansion.

Regards!

#71 13 days ago
Quoted from AaronZOOM:

What a weird thing to say. Almost feels like a dig at my earlier posting.
Surprise! Mine are “perfectly centered” too!
[quoted image]

That looks great! I just mirrored it out of interest and it’s mirrored perfectly no diversion to the cut. I think someone’s ego is a little too big for this small thread.

#72 13 days ago
Quoted from J85M:

That looks great! I just mirrored it out of interest and it’s mirrored perfectly no diversion to the cut. I think someone’s ego is a little too big for this small thread.

All opinions are respectable, of course! Express a personal preference, does not represent everyone.

"Opinions are like assholes; everybody has one..." - Harry Callahan

Cheers!

#73 13 days ago
Quoted from Mikonos:

Great for you! ... but it is not an attack of your work. Cutting is always difficult for plotters, and, on several occasions, there are deviations.
If you look at your shooter apron, the cut has gone to the left so much, if you look at your Left apron, the cut has gone to the left and is diagonal; you will see this better looking at the base of the Left apron. There is not the same thickness of the black band at the base on the left as on the right, there is a diagonal die cut line.
Even in your current middle apron, the cut has gone slightly to the left again, but it's a totally acceptable result, but not perfect like my aprons.
I have emphasized this, because my regular printer uses an HP cutting plotter that corrects the small deviations that the material undergoes due to shrinkage and expansion.
Regards!

lol. "...it is not an attack on your work..."
Proceeds to dig at my work.

You are also commenting specifically on my test magnets, which were hand trimmed, and I'm aware that they're not perfect. The decals themselves are fine.

You know, Mikonos, it's not so much the previous accusations of fraud nor the stolen artwork that bother me. It's the self-aggrandizing posts where you come off as a colossal blowhard.

#74 13 days ago

I am not modest, in that I agree with you, but, if I am honest, "professional" salespeople, especially, are lousy.

Only someone ignorant about my career like fan, collector and artworker can accuse me of fraud. I never hide myself and charge like a bull. As I have said, over so many years, about 17 or 18, I have had more than one transaction that has gone wrong and not for reasons attributable to me.

I always do everything to the best of my ability, and that's a lot compared to the people around me in this facet.

Yes, your "surprise" has been very stylish and I have told you something that you already knew about how “perfectly centered” your results are.

I can raise or lower my level of conversation at will, despite the language barrier.

Cheers!

#75 13 days ago

These really don't look like Gold. They look more like brown mustard. Similar to the "Gold" powdercoating CGC put on the LE versions of Medieval Madness.

AaronZOOM's decals have more of a gold look to them.

1 week later
#76 5 days ago

IMPORTANT: Use my links for a full quality photos!!!

"Indiana Jones Pinball Metallic Gold Right Apron Mod" (WILLIAMS) printed on gold metallic vinyl with white ink, gloss protective lamination and precut (photo 1).
https://www.zonaarcade.com/fotos/artes/Indiana-Jones-Pinball-Gold-Right-Apron-print1.JPG
Indiana-Jones-Pinball-Gold-Right-Apron-print1 (resized).jpg
"Indiana Jones Pinball Metallic Gold Right Apron Mod" (WILLIAMS) printed on gold metallic vinyl with white ink, gloss protective lamination and precut (photo 2).
https://www.zonaarcade.com/fotos/artes/Indiana-Jones-Pinball-Gold-Right-Apron-print2.JPG
Indiana-Jones-Pinball-Gold-Right-Apron-print2 (resized).jpg
"Indiana Jones Pinball Metallic Gold Right Apron Mod" (WILLIAMS) printed on gold metallic vinyl with white ink, gloss protective lamination and precut (photo 3).
https://www.zonaarcade.com/fotos/artes/Indiana-Jones-Pinball-Gold-Right-Apron-print3.JPG
Indiana-Jones-Pinball-Gold-Right-Apron-print3 (resized).jpg
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