I've owned both and to me it's Maverick by a mile. Big fan of the movie and I love poker, plus the drop target gameplay format is so unique that it held my attention for nearly 3 years (maybe the longest I've ever kept a pin).

I really liked the movie too, but ID4 is an awful game. I mean...it's a pin so it's got that going for it. And I did enjoy it for the first couple of weeks. But it's solidly the 2nd worst pin I have owned (GI holds the bottom slot).

I think $1500 is high for either title though.

Maverick is a very good game, almost laughed at by many, but I loved mine, and I'm thinking of trying to buy it back from the person I sold it to. The hardest game to start a mode on, and one of the hardest of the era to get to the final. I love the music and the call outs, I love picking off drops for completing hands, I love the blackjack video mode, it's a great game. Interesting way of adding a ball to the MB (as many DE games had).

The rear opto in the VUK is problematic, but do not go the reed switch method, it doesn't work as well as the rgp history on the matter would indicate. Just completely replace both optos and relow the headers. You'll know what I mean if you buy this machine and half to deal with it.

LED'd it really pops too.

I think Maverick has more to keep you interested...

Maverick!

Seriously though, Maverick.

ID4 for me

I don't know that the market for a Maverick over $1200 is really big...last I knew they were a slow sell much above $1k, but maybe that's changed?

I think the possibility of a $450 repair (replacing that large DMD) keeps the value of these low. So I guess if that's been done recently that would be a reason to overpay a bit...

I would play $1k for a Maverick in a heartbeat

I sold my Maverick a couple months ago and had it on craigslist for 1 day and had 2 offers at $1250 right away. It was a fun game and my dad really enjoyed it the most but I had to make room for XMEN.

I owned Id4 for a while. Its an underrated title in my opinion. Its fast and has some cool ramps. I have played Maverick but not enough to give a good opinion, I remember liking it though. Any chance you could play them both before you choose? That's my advice if possible.

Never really taken to Maverick, so it might have hidden depths. However, I LOVE ID4!!!

Totally under-rated game. Picked one up 6 months ago and it's far better than a lot of my other pins. Maybe not the deepest of rules but fantastic flow.

ID4

You will be hard pressed to find another.

Maverick is a fun game but you see them around all the time. ID4 you don't.

From the sound of it you are considering buying my old ID4.
It's a great game and I never had any issues at all. I'd still have it if I didn't trade it for a pin I'd been wanting since I was a kid!

Neither. Seriously, both horrible games. Just horrible.... $1,500? Buy anything else.

For mav this is only the DMD, which I have leard is on the list for a LED replacement soon. Even the ramp can be bought new NOS for around $60-$70.

Simply not true, and I'm guessing you have not played Mav a lot. Mav is a very good game when you get to know the rules. To start a mode alone you have to win two random hands, which involves knocking down the targets in the hand, without hitting a certain number of cards not in the hand, with other ways to award a card, or discard. During this you can raise, or fold the hand, depending on how you are doing, and after you do this, twice, you start a mode. There is no machine that has a deeper strategy to starting a mode alone than Maverick.

It is a very underrated machine, a phrase used all too much, but it is true with this machine.

Completely disagree. I've played it plenty and it's a horrible game. You like it and I can appreciate that, but are you going to maintain that he should spend $1,500 on it? For $1,500 there are tons of better games out there, even if you care for Maverick.

Never played ID, but I had some time on Maverick and thought it was a pretty good pin. Underrated (IMHO).

Fair enough, we all like what we like. I don't know what else in that range is left other than sys11's. Yeah, there are deals, but the going rates of every WPC is above that now (well above where I am), and even my mav sold for well above the $1,500 mark (I did a number on it though, so it should be at the high range), and I'm ready to return the cash to get it back. Maybe some other underrated DE machines, but everything is so expensive.

As for the Laser Wars, it's ok, but Maverick has more to keep you interested, out of what you noted. It's a machine that doesn't get annoying either, which in a small collection is important. I heard Id4 can get like that, but I have never played it, so I can't say.

I agree with this statement.

I just bought a JD a month or so ago for $1,350. I was offered a fixer upper Demo Man a couple weeks ago for $1,500. The deals are out there, like always though, the harder you look the more expensive the game is.

For poker themed...save an extra $500 and get WPT. Waaaaaay better than Maverick.

Laser War is another underrated game IMO but it can get old after a while. I shopped one out for a friend and had it in my house for about a month. I really enjoyed it while it was here but I had had my fill of it by the time it left. It has a spectacular light show though.