It's good that we finally see some substance, but I don't think there's anything to suggest that RAZA will be some kind of watershed moment. Rather the opposite, if what we see now is roughly indicative of the finished product.

It's going to be far more interesting to see what Nordman, Oursler and Norris have been working on, hopefully with similarly large budgets to JPop.

This!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I aint buying another nib until companies fix their quality control issues. These machines cost too much money to be having these types of issues.

I did have money on the side waiting for a number of new pins. I got tired of waiting and bought an MBr. However, now that I got a peak on RAZA I am very interested so I need to start saving up again. I was not interested and now I am.

Cheers to all those patiently waiting by the pinball gloryhole for the Deeproot to appear. Please keep us informed.

I'm waiting til marriage

Guffman should be here any minute now...

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For you foreigner fans...

So long, I've been looking too hard, I've been waiting too long
Buying Stern games was such a grind, but now it's only a matter of time

When you buy a game, when you buy a game
It must feel right, so warm and true, I need to know if Pinside will wait too
Maybe I'm wrong, won't you tell me if I'm coming on too strong?
This heart of mine has been hurt before, this time I want to be sure

I've been waiting for a RAZA like you to come into my life
I've been waiting for a RAZA like you, Jpop's career will survive
I've been waiting for epic innovation to make me feel so alive
Yeah, waiting for a tiny roto target to come into my life

You're so good, so innovative it's understood
I can't wait to humble Stern and say
Only in dreams could $4 grand be the price to pay

When you want something, yeah, really want something
Now, I know it'll be right, from the moment I wake up till deep in the night
There's nowhere on earth that I'd rather be than nudging you tenderly

(man! Hardly had to change a word to this one!)

Don't wait. Buy what you want and enjoy it now.

Wow,how many times have we seen this shit?

lol. Man when some thread triggers you... you go all out. Good for you! Keep 'em coming!

Enough that I actually went out and took in a real quality movie last night.

Dr Sleep?

No, but after I got home from Ford Vs Ferrari, it was quantum sleep.

If your waiting for pound town! Save that money! You are waiting and hoping for the ultimate deep root! You are going to get it!

With the playfield issues Jersey Jack and Stern are having I'm sitting it out until that problem gets resolved. I really like JP but I'm not spending almost $8k on a NIB Premium to have the damn thing bubbling, chipping and peeling out of the box....sorry. Consumers deserve a better quality playfield than what has been produced recently. I think Deeproot will produce some really fun pinball machines. RAZA looks cool but we need to wait for a finished design to fully evaluate it. I expect them to bring NIB pins out somewhere in the $6500-7000 range. I'm also interested to see Scott Danesi's 2nd title as TNA was a great machine. Also I'd like to see what Bryan Eddy has been up to at Stern too plus I'm interested in a new Godzilla pin. As for Jersey Jack....Guns n Roses & Toy Story has no appeal to me. I like the creative new title with no license and I also think it helps to keep cost down. Heck some of the best pinball machines from the 90's had no license. Attack From Mars, Medieval Madness, Monster Bash, Cactus Canyon, Whitewater......many more.

Factories weren’t dependent on home sales in the 90s. 2019 customers won’t spend $10k on something they don’t already love. Stern & JJP survive on people buying games they haven’t seen or played.

So true, bring on Toy Story
Fun for the whole family!

What he says but with a used fame, then you loose about nothing.

Edit: Fame??? What the heck did auto correct do there? XD
"machine" it is.

I'm waiting for Godot

Completely agree. The last addition was a HEP title as that ensures the game is pretty much perfect. You're paying for a new game and as such, should receive a new game free of defects.

I'm waiting for the 3rd release from AP.

After that, if my distributor stocks deeproot games, and has them in stock, and tells me good things about the company and their products I would be in the market for a deeproot.

There is a huge difference between test driving games once they are out to better understand what you want to buy, and clamoring over an unreleased game, even considering setting money aside for it, that may not be great or ever get released.

I hope they make amazing machines that are fun to play. But the only money I would put towards one before owing it is with a coin drop on location.

I agree. Like most people I would prefer to always play a game before I buy it. But, with the stupid and forced/fake scarcity of the LE models. You don't always get that chance. I think they do it that way to guarantee that they make money on the run. This way. They know how many they will sell no matter what and they can budget accordingly.
Raza looks pretty cool. The cab art is crap, but its not finalized. I'm all for more quality pins being made(provided they are quality). As I do think that could help Stern stay competitive and also maybe keep their prices a bit more fixed. I think with JJP that gave Stern some leeway to raise prices, not keep them lower. So if this company comes in and wants to deliver games on the 5-7.5k tier. I'd be open to that.

I personally rather have more backglass and less LCD. So I like the dmd for Deeproot. It's all you need. With that being said I love the video for Elivra's House of Horrors. So cool.

Not true. You ALWAYS get that chance. Might have to pay more, but you always have the option to experience the game you want before you buy it.

I wouldn’t buy a nib deep root game if you paid me. They have zero history of reliability and consistency.
‘Yeah but they’re a new company’.
Yeah I don’t give a shit. They took on Jpop who is a total dooshbag.

I don't like the hassle that comes from buying 2nd hand. True I've bought 4 of my 7 pinballs 2nd hand. But, I kind of like having a distributor come drop my machine off and set it up for me.

So, I don't really like to risk not being able to get the machine I want and risk it not being available. Certain LE's do sell out really quick. I remember waiting just a few days for a Monster Bash LE and how much of a pain it was to find one available, and their are over 1k of those. So I really didn't want to risk it with Elvira. I got mine ordered right away.

Funny thing. At the Wheeling Expo there were a ton of them. But, those were the hardest machines to get on. And so I think I only played one game on an Elvira that whole weekend. But, I already had mine setup at my home, so it wasn't a big deal. Still I like to see how other machines play besides my own.

I don't know how many NIB I will be buying from now on. As really Iron Maiden and Elvira I think are the last of the dream themes for me. I do want a Ghostbusters, but that'll have to be used. That is unless someone makes a Hardbody II... In that cause I'd buy the SLE!!!!!!!

Good call I gave up last week!

I forgot how good this was

Modesty is a grace

Time for you to stop waiting and buy a pinball that is currently available.

LMAO!

Dude, it's time to move on.

Deeproot is a money laundering operation. No pins will ever be available.

Yeah, I'm buying me a BKSoR.

You tell us, you're the only one that's been waiting.

This is pretty much the best advice ever

This thread seems as dumb today As the day it was unleashed.

So in a way, at least you could say it’s aging better than most other deep root stuff!