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Im Done! Farewell Pinside! Support group for people w Remake Syndrome


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    #151 1 year ago

    I am glad they have vaults and remakes. Choose the one you prefer and/or can afford. I am glad here in 2018 they are still making new pinball machines - and from more than 1 company.

    #152 1 year ago

    If it only had cup holders for my beers after I whoop ass. I'll look into the 2018 model.

    #153 1 year ago
    Quoted from leonml:

    Yes but oversaturation of a good thing will make for copies of copies of copies of ideas for money sake, decreasing value and loss of interest. Eventually something will be deemed collectable or valuable perhaps and the rest just novelty. Who knows. The More pinball machines made, the cheaper many games will get. Already seeing it with newer releases and prices In the tank so some can own the latest and greatest. Sooner or later something will give. There's only so much money and so many buyers, but a never-ending supply of new games and remakes.

    I couldn't disagree more. You think it's a zero sum, its not. Pinball could have a much wider base and expose millions of new potential buyers.

    The reason pin prices skyrocketed was an influx of new players. Are we here to maximize investments or to have fun playing a hobby?

    Grow the base of buyers, more money flows to create new content as well. I own a mmr, it got my brother into the hobby, he never would have been able to play it without the remake as I wouldn't spend 15k for an original.

    This isn't music or Hollywood where content doesn't die. Machines break and have a life cycle, production of new ones doesn't saturate the same as some other industries.

    #154 1 year ago
    Quoted from leonml:

    I mean, fire appeared from lightning, half the genius came from God.

    ...or the Easter Bunny or Santa Clause...

    #155 1 year ago

    OP, get rid of your current avatar and replace it with this one.

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    #156 1 year ago
    Quoted from Ns2973:

    I couldn't disagree more. You think it's a zero sum, its not. Pinball could have a much wider base and expose millions of new potential buyers.
    The reason pin prices skyrocketed was an influx of new players. Are we here to maximize investments or to have fun playing a hobby?
    Grow the base of buyers, more money flows to create new content as well. I own a mmr, it got my brother into the hobby, he never would have been able to play it without the remake as I wouldn't spend 15k for an original.
    This isn't music or Hollywood where content doesn't die. Machines break and have a life cycle, production of new ones doesn't saturate the same as some other industries.

    Yes and no. stern for instance isn't even trying to bring pinball into this century. They aren't even matching what Bally Williams best was in their heyday. Pinball is repeating and cloning old ideas for the most part, for money. There's already kickback for this. I could tell you several new ideas that the so called experts making these should be already doing.

    1. Why not get rid of flat glass pf covers for ones that are formed to house ramps and such that come up above where the glass would typically be? Imagine the insane ramps and loop d loops and toys.
    2. How about backbox with a flawless seamless game play that actually had something to do with the game instead of a glorified old school original Nintendo look and feel. Why not an actual pinball ball that carries gameplay into a vertical playfield? In most its just a pretty video display like watching tv, more for the onlooker.
    3. They could add to the 3 dimensional feel of idea 1. and make more room deepening the pf inside the cabinet with room for more integrated and seamless play with multi levels. this is where wide bodies could've really better utilized the area of play and advanced the gameplay.
    4. Why not evolve flat pf altogether, with a more dimensional one, not like orbit, but have dips and bumps that carry the ball in cool crazy ways, and with a good design you could still make for controllable gameplay where there's less ability to know where the ball will go for sure and make you adjust gameplay at a moment's notice to a multitude of possibilities that lead to good tough high scoring shots.
    5. Playfields made of painted cleared wood should be yesteryear. It's a recipe for disaster with varying expansion and contraction ratios of paint vs wood vs clear coat vs whatever.
    6. Steel ball bearings that rust? Come on. How about ceramic, or ceramic coated steal for magnet games. I'll pay more to never have to worry about the problem.
    7. With mirrors and light you can add dimension and illusions or trickery of the senses to make you think your seeing things.

    They don't even utilize mechanical toys to their fullest. Simplest of movements and action. Should have toys that actual defend against your moves. A hulk that swings his arms and fists when the ball is near. Would look better then just magnets moving the ball too, which is great for magician themes and spirit themes, perhaps some superhero as well.

    #157 1 year ago
    Quoted from spfxted:

    ...or the Easter Bunny or Santa Clause...

    ?? Makes no sense

    I'm not a religious man, but I do know this all came from somewhere not of man. Those 2 things are ridiculous man made crap. I'm not even talking any God the 50 religions believe they know of.
    When I say God I'm talking something completely different.

    #158 1 year ago
    Quoted from leonml:

    Yes we all cling to our childhood music as the best. Some may declare the caveman genius for harnessing and using fire, but i say the invention of the stove and microwave, the real genius. I mean, fire appeared from lightning, half the genius came from God.
    If new kids on the block came out in the 60s, they'd be the Beatles, then when rock started being popularized and their music career is never-ending, you can morph into writing rock songs for which you admit to ripping off other musicians and what did lenon say? Oh yeah they heard other musicians songs and wrote music from it that was their own, I'm paraphrasing. Lol. New kids of the 60s would've released hangin tough to cheering women, and then after hanging on in music longer then most groups in following generations are allowed, given a chance to transform, could've wrote Helter skelter.
    Who decides this stuff? Beatles genius, stones, and on and on chosen ones, while other better musicians don't get a mention. U2 had one good album of a few good songs, they still linger and are given God status. Pearl jam, same thing.

    Bob Dillon? lenon? And you're arguing music?!

    #159 1 year ago
    Quoted from leonml:

    I'm not a religious man, but I do know this all came from somewhere not of man.

    True...but no need to assign any intelligence to that "came from somewhere".

    #160 1 year ago

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    #161 1 year ago
    Quoted from leonml:

    Yes and no. stern for instance isn't even trying to bring pinball into this century. They aren't even matching what Bally Williams best was in their heyday. Pinball is repeating and cloning old ideas for the most part, for money. There's already kickback for this. I could tell you several new ideas that the so called experts making these should be already doing.
    1. Why not get rid of flat glass pf covers for ones that are formed to house ramps and such that come up above where the glass would typically be? Imagine the insane ramps and loop d loops and toys.
    2. How about backbox with a flawless seamless game play that actually had something to do with the game instead of a glorified old school original Nintendo look and feel. Why not an actual pinball ball that carries gameplay into a vertical playfield? In most its just a pretty video display like watching tv, more for the onlooker.
    3. They could add to the 3 dimensional feel of idea 1. and make more room deepening the pf inside the cabinet with room for more integrated and seamless play with multi levels. this is where wide bodies could've really better utilized the area of play and advanced the gameplay.
    4. Why not evolve flat pf altogether, with a more dimensional one, not like orbit, but have dips and bumps that carry the ball in cool crazy ways, and with a good design you could still make for controllable gameplay where there's less ability to know where the ball will go for sure and make you adjust gameplay at a moment's notice to a multitude of possibilities that lead to good tough high scoring shots.
    5. Playfields made of painted cleared wood should be yesteryear. It's a recipe for disaster with varying expansion and contraction ratios of paint vs wood vs clear coat vs whatever.
    6. Steel ball bearings that rust? Come on. How about ceramic, or ceramic coated steal for magnet games. I'll pay more to never have to worry about the problem.
    7. With mirrors and light you can add dimension and illusions or trickery of the senses to make you think your seeing things.
    They don't even utilize mechanical toys to their fullest. Simplest of movements and action. Should have toys that actual defend against your moves. A hulk that swings his arms and fists when the ball is near. Would look better then just magnets moving the ball too, which is great for magician themes and spirit themes, perhaps some superhero as well.

    So you think more people buying more games will discourage innovation? More money in means more experimentation.

    Look at jjpotc, that game isn't made without the influx of people, innovations only continue if there is a market and you are arguing for a smaller market.

    #162 1 year ago

    But if you left who would be the biggest attention whore? You’re head and shoulders above everyone else...

    #163 1 year ago
    Quoted from MinusWorlds:

    But if you left who would be the biggest attention whore? You’re head and shoulders above everyone else...

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    #164 1 year ago
    Quoted from Ns2973:

    So you think more people buying more games will discourage innovation? More money in means more experimentation.
    Look at jjpotc, that game isn't made without the influx of people, innovations only continue if there is a market and you are arguing for a smaller market.

    Agree on jj trying but the acception to the rule doesn't make it the norm.

    #165 1 year ago

    Is it just me or did people loose sight of the original thread and that this is a parody thread?

    Anywhoo... remakes expand the market and an expanded market pushes innovation.

    Custom molded playfield glass? Yeah, that’s cost effective, not cumbersome at all to ship and store and easy to replace. Oy.

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    #166 1 year ago
    Quoted from MinusWorlds:

    But if you left who would be the biggest attention whore? You’re head and shoulders above everyone else...

    Criticize like a little bitch, adds less then nothing, but feels impotent guy.

    #167 1 year ago
    Quoted from merccat:

    Is it just me or did people loose sight of the original thread and that this is a parody thread?
    Anywhoo... remakes expand the market and an expanded market pushes innovation.
    Custom molded playfield glass? Yeah, that’s cost effective, not cumbersome at all to ship and store and easy to replace. Oy.

    Ok are you an expert on molded plastic to say it's ridiculous and not cost effective? doubt it. I want pinball to evolve and advance, apparently some want to argue over cost they have no idea about. Keep paying 8 to 10k for old ideas etc. Sorry but the electronics that did what they did 20 years ago should be way cheaper, not way more expensive, leaving money to evolve and innovate, not increase profit.

    #168 1 year ago
    Quoted from merccat:

    Is it just me or did people loose sight of the original thread and that this is a parody thread?

    The original thread got locked before it's time, so this one is a free for all!

    #169 1 year ago
    Quoted from o-din:

    To be fair, on car forums, I heard they are considering using pinguments when discussing that subject.

    Thanks, I needed that laugh!

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    #170 1 year ago

    You added nothing more then the bro who says, oh snap in a cheesy 90s ghetto rap rhyme off game show. What? Is this yoyoyomtv rap?

    #171 1 year ago
    Quoted from leonml:

    I mean, fire appeared from lightning, half the genius came from God.

    And the other half came from Benjamin Franklin when he invented lightning with his kite and a key tied to the string.

    It’s true. Just google the science behind lightning and the science behind fire.
    There is a picture of Ben Franklin right next to caveman Jesus.
    Also google the deteriorating state of the Wisconsin public education system.

    #172 1 year ago

    I heard fire came from rubbing two sticks together.

    #173 1 year ago
    Quoted from o-din:

    I heard fire came from rubbing two sticks together.

    Ewww...that's disgust.....oh, you said sticks. Never mind.

    #174 1 year ago

    And I'm supposed to be a god of fire. lol.

    #175 1 year ago
    Quoted from o-din:

    And I'm supposed to be a god of fire. lol.

    Let's leave religion out of this, ok?

    #176 1 year ago
    Quoted from Goronic:

    Let's leave religion out of this, ok?

    Is mythology OK?

    #177 1 year ago

    So what happens to the old 1960s and 70s cars when the liberal thought police finally makes gasoline illegal and everyone has to ride around in Driverless electric cars? Will those old Camaros and mustangs be worth anything then? 3000 pound paperweights?

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    #178 1 year ago
    Quoted from o-din:

    Is mythology OK?

    Interesting discussion we could get into regarding the difference. But let's not do that now?

    All good, myth away....you have already gone this far with your username

    #179 1 year ago
    Quoted from o-din:

    And I'm supposed to be a god of fire. lol.

    I thought you were the god of Thunder.

    And fertility.

    #180 1 year ago
    Quoted from guyincognito:

    I thought you were the god of Thunder.
    And fertility.

    Yeah, but after a while you get a little burned out on that.

    #181 1 year ago
    Quoted from guyincognito:

    I thought you were the god of Thunder.
    And fertility.

    Oden is the god of war, Thor is the god of thunder and lightning

    #182 1 year ago

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    #183 1 year ago

    Yes Ted, this is pinside, where everybody gets a trophy.

    #184 1 year ago
    Quoted from Goronic:

    Interesting discussion we could get into regarding the difference. But let's not do that now?
    All good, myth away....you have already gone this far with your username

    There is no difference other than timing.

    #185 1 year ago
    Quoted from vicjw66:

    There is no difference other than timing.

    And scope

    #186 1 year ago

    Are you guys comparing originals to remakes again?

    #187 1 year ago
    Quoted from vicjw66:

    And the other half came from Benjamin Franklin when he invented lightning with his kite and a key tied to the string.
    It’s true. Just google the science behind lightning and the science behind fire.
    There is a picture of Ben Franklin right next to caveman Jesus.
    Also google the deteriorating state of the Wisconsin public education system.

    Says literal guy

    #189 1 year ago
    Quoted from vicjw66:

    And the other half came from Benjamin Franklin when he invented lightning with his kite and a key tied to the string.
    It’s true. Just google the science behind lightning and the science behind fire.
    There is a picture of Ben Franklin right next to caveman Jesus.
    Also google the deteriorating state of the Wisconsin public education system.

    Please explain your genius theory to how cavemen harnessed fire? I'm sure you were there to witness it.
    There are multiple theories. Science can explain the scientific reason for many things, but science can't explain everything. The kite and key story is bs. Fire was utilized before, And no one can say how it came about. Glad you have the Answers. You were a product of public schooling I'm sure, probably those genius years they told you to hide under a desk during a nuclear attack, they just forgot to tell you it was to kiss your ass goodbye. Yes, those genius public school year teachings. Was that when doctors did cigarette commercials telling you how healthy they were? Those higher learning years? Just shut up.

    #190 1 year ago

    Well this is a support group, isn't it?

    #191 1 year ago
    Quoted from o-din:

    Well this is a support group, isn't it?

    He might as well suggested crossing the streams.

    #192 1 year ago
    Quoted from leonml:

    Please explain your genius theory to how cavemen harnessed fire?

    When their brains got big enough and they got smart enough they figured it out.

    Quoted from leonml:

    Science can explain the scientific reason for many things, but science can't explain everything.

    Science can explain everything because everything that happens has a scientific reason behind it. It is our feeble minds that have difficulty explaining the science. Now let’s try and get this thread back on track again. Wait, what is this thread about again?

    #193 1 year ago
    Quoted from leonml:

    He might as well suggested crossing the streams.

    Quoted from vicjw66:

    When their brains got lt big enough and they got smart enough they figured it out.

    Science can explain everything because everything that happens has a scientific reason behind it. It is our feeble minds that have difficulty explaining the science. Now let’s try and get this thread back on track again. Wait, what is this thread about again?

    Wrong!! Lightning was burning forests long before cavemen figured out friction and cavemens heads were huge compared to modern man. In fact Einstein had a small brain compared to normal.

    If science could explain all, then everything would be fact and all scientists would agree on all. There would be no such thing as theory and there wouldn't be multiple theories on many things that exist. Yes everything just appeared and evolved into whatever. Everything didn't just appear out of thin air, if it did, where did thin air come from, or nothingness, which is nothing, but nothing is something?

    You have to stop seeing something greater then yourself as that dog shit brainwashing nonsense they teach in Sunday school to impressionable minds.

    #194 1 year ago
    Quoted from leonml:

    Wrong!! Lightning was burning forests long before cavemen figured out friction and caverns heads were huge compared to modern man. In fact Einstein had s small brain compared to normal.
    If science could explain all, then everything would be fact and all scientists would agree on all. There would be no such thing as theory and there wouldn't be multiple theories on many things that exist. Yes everything just appeared and evolved into whatever. Everything didn't just appear out of thin air, if it did, where did thin air come from, oor nothingness, which is nothing, but nothing is something.

    What? Where is that Luke Skywalker meme when you need it?

    You clearly misinterpreted much of what I said, followed by a non-sequiter rant.

    #195 1 year ago

    Hey, what if C A T, really spelled dog?

    #196 1 year ago
    Quoted from leonml:

    Hey, what if C A T, really spelled dog?

    That’s deep Ogre. And quite an appropriate reference for this situation.

    #198 1 year ago

    I think your thinking docking. Totally different.

    #199 1 year ago

    Does this happen a lot here? Public proclamations like this? It seems to drum up the conversation.

    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/so-i-quit-pinball-thought-about-coming-back-but-not-really

    It seems to me I love pinball and the arcades. I am just going to enjoy it for awhile.

    Also no offense to anyone. I'm just wondering out loud. I can never leave. But my participation is up to me. I'm here to stay. Play discuss and fix.

    #200 1 year ago

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    "Prices may have gone up for you, but when you go to sell you can sell it for higher also. You are just parking your money in something fun and cool." Quote from thread.

    This kind of mentality is what makes people loose their minds when they realize how dumb of an idea they had. Then blame everything and everyone instead of taking a look in the mirror. I think as the market starts to correct it's self a little there will be more people jumping from the 14th floor when black friday comes. Steely Dan prophesied this.

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