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IJ Williams "You Cheat, Dr. Jones!" Club


By RDReynolds

7 years ago



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#7301 9 days ago

Hello,

I'm looking for those insert decals.
Lost treasure and the clear one.

Only need those 2 not the whole set.
If somebody could help me with this.
Wille pay of course for those 2 decals and shipment to Belgium.

Do not have the tools nor the skills to make them myselfes.

Thanks

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#7302 9 days ago
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#7303 9 days ago
Quoted from schwarz:

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This is 100% accurate? I thought I remember reading somewhere that the manual had incorrect information?

#7304 9 days ago
Quoted from dancosta:

This is 100% accurate? I thought I remember reading somewhere that the manual had incorrect information?

I just replaced mine off that list but I usually buy extras so maybe the totals are off.

#7305 9 days ago
Quoted from dancosta:

This is 100% accurate? I thought I remember reading somewhere that the manual had incorrect information?

E should be 4" other than that its pretty close.

There are a couple small ring errors too.

17 of the 5/16" rubbers and add a couple 3/16 rubbers.

Also in a couple areas 3/8" fits better than the 7/16"

I always build the kit myself out of my bulk rubber supply.
So if something doesnt fit right I just get a rubber that does.

check here its pretty up to date except E is wrong:

https://www.flippers.com/rings/ij.htm

#7306 9 days ago
Quoted from pinballinreno:

E should be 4" other than that its pretty close.
There are a couple small ring errors too.
17 of the 5/16" rubbers and add a couple 3/16 rubbers.
Also in a couple areas 3/8" fits better than the 7/16"
I always build the kit myself out of my bulk rubber supply.
So if something doesnt fit right I just get a rubber that does.
check here its pretty up to date except E is wrong:
https://www.flippers.com/rings/ij.htm

This is perfect, thank you!

#7307 9 days ago

Does anyone happen to have one of the replacement trough opto boards with the rubber grommets that you might consider selling, or would you know where I can get one? If so, please do send me a PM. Thanks.

#7308 9 days ago
Quoted from TimBoch:

Joined the club today. I have been looking for some time and finally found one I felt good in buying. Still a bit sad to have to sell my one of a kind Tee'd Off with a custom color DMD to make room, but I think I can live with this line up.
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This has to be one of the best 6 pin collections I have ever seen

#7309 9 days ago

In my head, Brasso will shine these wireforms right up, but want to ask the forum before I ruin it with something too harsh...

Safe to use?

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#7310 9 days ago
Quoted from radial_head:

In my head, Brasso will shine these wireforms right up, but want to ask the forum before I ruin it with something too harsh...
Safe to use?
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I use nev r dull, its non abrasive and works well.

Its just thin plating, go easy on them.

#7311 9 days ago
Quoted from pinballinreno:

I use nev r dull, its non abrasive and works well.

Its just thin plating, go easy on them

Followed this suggestion from #pinballinreno and they came out nice and shiney

#7312 9 days ago
Quoted from pinballinreno:

I use nev r dull, its non abrasive and works well.

Do you also apply with fine steel wool, or?

I'm going to try going lightly with the fine steel wool and the brasso on the captive ball wire form since that's the least visible and gets the least amount of intense wear and report back.

#7313 9 days ago

Seems to me, any 0000 of steel wool would be abrasive.

If it were me: I'd flip the rail over and test bottom (unseen) side for best results.

#7314 9 days ago

Nev R Dull is a fiber based material that you can clean the wire forms with ... I wouldn't use anything to scratch the surface

#7315 9 days ago
Quoted from Kerry_Richard:

Seems to me, any 0000 of steel wool would be abrasive.
If it were me: I'd flip the rail over and test bottom (unseen) side for best results.

So would you recommend just polishing with a rag?

#7316 9 days ago
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#7317 9 days ago

#7318 9 days ago
Quoted from PiperPinball:

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Wow. Love the mods and the wood-like accents. Really fits the theme.

Well done!

#7319 9 days ago
Quoted from Toine79:

Hello,
I'm looking for those insert decals.
Lost treasure and the clear one.
Only need those 2 not the whole set.
If somebody could help me with this.
Wille pay of course for those 2 decals and shipment to Belgium.
Do not have the tools nor the skills to make them myselfes.
Thanks
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I hope you find them. I had the Lost Treasure insert flake off also and I ended up painting it in, couldn't find the single decal.

#7320 8 days ago

Well there is a lot going on in that machine.

#7321 8 days ago
Quoted from PiperPinball:

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That's the best looking modded IJ PF I've ever seen - congratulations on an awesome job! Love the changed wireform through the cliff, but the idol with Indy getting ready to do the swap is amazing. I also really like how Indy's biplane is way smaller than the fighter, it's shows perspective and looks like the fighter is swooping in from high - the shot off tail fin of the biplane and the smoke trail is brilliant! The PF is packed with mods and tastefully done - I'm in awe!!

#7322 8 days ago
Quoted from PiperPinball:

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I like the look of the bi plane

#7323 8 days ago
Quoted from Kerry_Richard:

If it were me: I'd flip the rail over and test bottom (unseen) side for best results.

Wise words. Brasso took the coat clean off. Glad I did it on the underside of the captive ball wireworm.

Quoted from transprtr4u:

Nev R Dull is a fiber based material that you can clean the wire forms with ... I wouldn't use anything to scratch the surface

Strangely enough, this took quite a bit off as well. Definitely less than the Brasso and Steel Wool, but on areas where the plating was already coming off a little, it took more off. On areas where there was no flaking of the plating, it did fine.

Live and ya learn!

#7324 8 days ago
Quoted from Toine79:

Hello,
I'm looking for those insert decals.
Lost treasure and the clear one.
Only need those 2 not the whole set.
If somebody could help me with this.
Wille pay of course for those 2 decals and shipment to Belgium.
Do not have the tools nor the skills to make them myselfes.
Thanks
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I don't know about the clear one. I think that'd be a pretty stock Williams part, no? It's not game specific, after all. Never seen them sold individually, though. I also note that the pop bumper mylar usually covers this area as well - did they come up when the mylar was removed?

As for the Lost Treasure decal, it just so happens I have a spare. Shame I didn't know about this before I shipped your target decals! PM me if you're interested in the single decal, though.

#7325 8 days ago
Quoted from radial_head:

Wise words. Brasso took the coat clean off. Glad I did it on the underside of the captive ball wireworm.

Strangely enough, this took quite a bit off as well. Definitely less than the Brasso and Steel Wool, but on areas where the plating was already coming off a little, it took more off. On areas where there was no flaking of the plating, it did fine.
Live and ya learn!

If the brass plating has turned to tarnish and completely oxidized,

Removing the tarnish, removes the fully oxidized plating.

Like i said, its very thin.

But, it can be replated any time at a local plating company.

#7326 8 days ago

Sigh, gotta love Saturday evening and I find issues with IJ. Looking for some guidance...I am seeing that the Start button is somehow being triggered during the gameplay (no I am not accidentally pushing it) adding 2p, 3p, and 4p game modes at seemingly random times. I only notice it right after a mode completes...perhaps it has to do with the trough? No errors on startup, and I literally did nothing new today to service the machine, so I am at a loss.

It's not the microswitch as the game doesn't start for no reason, only added credits are happening after a game is starting. On page 2-46 of the manual I see the start button there, should I follow the wire to the points horizontally, vertically or both to see if there is loose wire?

#7327 8 days ago
Quoted from orlandu81:

Sigh, gotta love Saturday evening and I find issues with IJ. Looking for some guidance...I am seeing that the Start button is somehow being triggered during the gameplay (no I am not accidentally pushing it) adding 2p, 3p, and 4p game modes. No errors on startup, and I literally did nothing new today to service the machine, so I am at a loss.
I guess I can try to swap the microswitch but it is fairly new, replaced in the last month or so, so I'm thinking its not that easy of an issue. On page 2-46 of the manual I see the start button there, should I follow the wire to the points horizontally, vertically or both to see if there is loose wire?

I had something similar happen in the past. It wasn't a problem with the switch - it was a short elsewhere on that circuit. Pull the glass off, start a game, and hit playfield switches until it adds another player. (Or you could just use the switch edge test, like a normal human.)

It's just like those multi-switch triggering problems that happen when your contacts get bashed together on the lower right switch under the POA, above the mode hole.

#7328 8 days ago
Quoted from AaronZOOM:

I had something similar happen in the past. It wasn't a problem with the switch - it was a short elsewhere on that circuit. Pull the glass off, start a game, and hit playfield switches until it adds another player. (Or you could just use the switch edge test, like a normal human.)
It's just like those multi-switch triggering problems that happen when your contacts get bashed together on the lower right switch under the POA, above the mode hole.

Found it. The switch above "Special" is triggering it. I'll lift up the playfield and inspect it, thank you!

#7329 8 days ago
Quoted from AaronZOOM:

I had something similar happen in the past. It wasn't a problem with the switch - it was a short elsewhere on that circuit. Pull the glass off, start a game, and hit playfield switches until it adds another player.
You know, just like those multi-switch triggering problems that happen when your contacts get bashed together on the lower right switch under the POA, above the mode hole.

Had this same problem. Was a short, broken connection under the POA next to the mode hole. Ball must have hit it. However, we made a metal bracket cover to prevent future air balls hitting it.

#7330 8 days ago
Quoted from orlandu81:

Found it. The switch above "Special" is triggering it. I'll lift up the playfield and inspect it, thank you!

Make sure you take an extra close look at that POA switch. This is an ancient IJ legend passed down through generations.
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/automatically-adding-new-players-while-playing#post-2279595-parent

#7331 8 days ago
Quoted from PiperPinball:

Had this same problem. Was a short, broken connection under the POA next to the mode hole. Ball must have hit it. However, we made a metal bracket cover to prevent future air balls hitting it.

Quoted from AaronZOOM:

Make sure you take an extra close look at that POA switch. This is an ancient IJ legend passed down through generations.
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/automatically-adding-new-players-while-playing#post-2279595-parent

You were both right, it is that dam switch under the POA. Second time I've had issues, last time it was a different side effect. I have the Cliffy (Ricochet's original design) I just haven't gotten around to installing it yet. Maybe I'll stop procrastinating now...or wait until the 3rd time I have issues with it to finally act

#7332 8 days ago
Quoted from AaronZOOM:

I don't know about the clear one. I think that'd be a pretty stock Williams part, no? It's not game specific, after all. Never seen them sold individually, though. I also note that the pop bumper mylar usually covers this area as well - did they come up when the mylar was removed?
As for the Lost Treasure decal, it just so happens I have a spare. Shame I didn't know about this before I shipped your target decals! PM me if you're interested in the single decal, though.

Thanks but ordered already the whole sheet with decals. Have no experience with this so any tips arr welcome.

I will do it like this: sanding the insert as smooth as possible, shoot 1 clear shot to make inserts shine, stick the decal and shoot again clear to seal the decal.
Sand if necessary to level it with playfield.

Correct me if I'm wrong.
Thanks

#7333 7 days ago

Hi, I’ve noticed recently that my ball does not eject/drop always the same from the mode hole. About 20% of the time, it drops left to the top (sometimes right in top) of the left sling (and at one point bounced up and over to a right out lane drain.

I recently changed rubbers (including posts) to Titans. I haven’t removed my POA yet (waiting for the new mode hole deflector, would rather do it once that twice!), so the post rubber left of the mode hole was not changed. I wonder if the new grippier and bouncier post rubber on the right is sending it off to the left as it drops out? Or does this happen on other machines?

#7334 5 days ago
Quoted from RobbyIRL5:

Hi, I’ve noticed recently that my ball does not eject/drop always the same from the mode hole. About 20% of the time, it drops left to the top (sometimes right in top) of the left sling (and at one point bounced up and over to a right out lane drain.
I recently changed rubbers (including posts) to Titans. I haven’t removed my POA yet (waiting for the new mode hole deflector, would rather do it once that twice!), so the post rubber left of the mode hole was not changed. I wonder if the new grippier and bouncier post rubber on the right is sending it off to the left as it drops out? Or does this happen on other machines?

I would start by adjusting the kicker that knocks the ball out of the hole. You have to go under machine to adjust this. It needs to be centered perfectly and over time it will stray to one side or the other

#7335 4 days ago

When rebuilding, I can’t figure out where this piece goes. Not the mode scoop.... but just can’t seem to figure out where.

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#7336 4 days ago
Quoted from radial_head:

When rebuilding, I can’t figure out where this piece goes. Not the mode scoop.... but just can’t seem to figure out where.

Behind the entrance to the subway ... by the drop targets to load idol

#7337 4 days ago

Maybe here as well.

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#7338 4 days ago
Quoted from schwarz:

Maybe here as well.
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Wow! That’s is. What a pain. Thanks!

#7339 4 days ago

Working on some bamboo leg covers!

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#7340 2 days ago

Anybody else had trouble with the cliffy protector making the scoop shot reject a lot more? Before my teardown, it would reject probably 40% of the time, now it rejects almost 80% of the time after installing.

Just ordered a set of EvilMcBooty’s (what a name) IJ Scoop Lock Kit, and desperately waiting for Jim’s conical lock helper, but curious if anybody else experienced this or give me some pointers on how I might have installed mine wrong.

#7341 2 days ago
Quoted from radial_head:

Anybody else had trouble with the cliffy protector making the scoop shot reject a lot more? Before my teardown, it would reject probably 40% of the time, now it rejects almost 80% of the time after installing.
Just ordered a set of EvilMcBooty’s (what a name) IJ Scoop Lock Kit, and desperately waiting for Jim’s conical lock helper, but curious if anybody else experienced this or give me some pointers on how I might have installed mine wrong.

Given you've done a teardown, not everything will be identically aligned as before. Cliffys or any saucer protector can cause issues however the IJ start mode hole is notorious for rejects so it could be possibly associated with the teardown and not so much the cliffy. The only true way of determining if it's the cliffy is testing it now with it on and with it off (not changing anything else).

#7342 2 days ago
Quoted from radial_head:

Anybody else had trouble with the cliffy protector making the scoop shot reject a lot more? Before my teardown, it would reject probably 40% of the time, now it rejects almost 80% of the time after installing.
Just ordered a set of EvilMcBooty’s (what a name) IJ Scoop Lock Kit, and desperately waiting for Jim’s conical lock helper, but curious if anybody else experienced this or give me some pointers on how I might have installed mine wrong.

I’m in the exact same boat. After installing the cliffy...it’s a 85% reject rate

#7343 2 days ago
Quoted from Manny65:

The only true way of determining if it's the cliffy is testing it now with it on and with it off (not changing anything else).

I’m absolutely not trying to rip on Cliffy, just trying to see if anybody has the same issue. Cliff, like plenty of the big names in the hobby, has done far too much for the hobby for anybody to be mad at him. Here’s my theory:

After 27 years of play, the scoop itself (the metal piece that Jim is properly redesigning) and the scoop hole have worn down. There is significant wear on the scoop hole and the scoop deflector has inevitably bent up slightly over time. In theory, if the scoop deflector had been designed perfectly, the scoop wouldn’t have worn down after rejection after rejection, adding the cliffy wouldnt have made a difference.

However, the scoop hole and deflector have worn down equally after nearly 30 years and correcting only one of them has made the reject rate far worse.

#7344 2 days ago

When I first installed my mode hole Cliffy, my stick rate actually went UP. Not much, but it was noticable.

That mode hole is a harsh mistress - even the tiniest change can completely alter the performance. I fought with it for years before just removing the deflector plate altogether. That works fine, but like others here I'm eager to put ricochet's upgrade into action.

#7345 2 days ago
Quoted from AaronZOOM:

When I first installed my mode hole Cliffy, my stick rate actually went UP. Not much, but it was noticable.

This was my exact experience with the Cliffy as well.

While waiting for the "Antidote", I (and a few others) have had solid interim success with a pad stuck right underneath the plastic in front of the mode start hole.

#7346 2 days ago
Quoted from orlandu81:

This was my exact experience with the Cliffy as well.
While waiting for the "Antidote", I (and a few others) have had solid interim success with a pad stuck right underneath the plastic in front of the mode start hole.

Cool. Can you provide a pic of this or explain a bit more what you mean? I too am poisoned, and am patiently awaiting for a richochet of the antidote.

Side note...if Indy wouldn't have obtained/drank the antidote, we would have never had to have the displeasure of meeting the annoying short round... just saying.

#7347 2 days ago
Quoted from JDelzer:

Cool. Can you provide a pic of this or explain a bit more what you mean? I too am poisoned, and am patiently awaiting for a richochet of the antidote.
Side note...if Indy wouldn't have obtained/drank the antidote, we would have never had to have the displeasure of meeting the annoying short round... just saying.

Here is mine, you will need to find the right spot on your machine as they are all different. I drilled out the holes on the deflector and shifted it back a few millimeters and lifted it with some thin washers. I then adhere the pad towards the front under the plastic. I get 90%+ success with this fix, but the pad does fall off over time. I was lucky this past time, as the pad is perfectly positioned that it hasn’t fallen off after more than 500 games, and is still on there tight.

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#7348 1 day ago
Quoted from orlandu81:

Here is mine, you will need to find the right spot on your machine as they are all different. I drilled out the holes on the deflector and shifted it back a few millimeters and lifted it with some thin washers. I then adhere the pad towards the front under the plastic. I get 90%+ success with this fix, but the pad does fall off over time. I was lucky this past time, as the pad is perfectly positioned that it hasn’t fallen off after more than 500 games, and is still on there tight.
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Here is mine, factory setup, and Cliffy (the carbon style, not the metal).
Special features:
-able to maximize the success rate around 10% (we can name it "sucks as rate"
-built in mini pf microswitch destroyer

So the new mod by Ricochet is a must have, not the Color DMD

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#7349 1 day ago
Quoted from Davi:

Here is mine, factory setup, and Cliffy (the carbon style, not the metal).
Special features:
-able to maximize the success rate around 10% (we can name it "sucks as rate"
-built in mini pf microswitch destroyer
So the new mod by Ricochet is a must have, not the Color DMD [quoted image]

Not debating that at all, I'm on the list and was a beta tester. The Antidote is a must...

...the color DMD too...

#7350 1 day ago

U6 check sum error.

Anyone know what this is?

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