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IJ restoration complete

By Bryan_Kelly

10 years ago


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#151 10 years ago
Quoted from jgreene:

Thanks for the thread Bryan, some great tips here. Looking forward to see the right way to do decals.
What type of paint do you use for the cabinet? I've used Laquer on wood cabinets with great results. Curious if there is a better type to use.

Not sure if there is a "better" paint to use but yes, I use lacquer.

#152 10 years ago
Quoted from PBINTHESOUTH:

Bryan,
Dry application of decals?
Next Gen Williams decals?
And finally how durable should they be (will wrinkling ever occur around legs/buttons/side rails?
Thanks and loving watching your progress..

Stay tuned. More coming soon to a theater near you!!

#153 10 years ago

Polish of choice is Mothers.

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#154 10 years ago

Yes, you can use a small screwdriver to remove staples but once you've used a real, honest to God staple puller, you'll learn to love it.

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#155 10 years ago

You'll be surprised how easy it is to remove stickers and the like with a razor blade. Needless to say, hold it at an angle and use a slicing motion.

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#156 10 years ago

There are certain parts that are tough to clean. This came off the back of the light board in the head. You can use water to remove as much of the dirt as possible, but anything more than that will lighten or remove the ink. For this, I like to use a good (I said GOOD) white erasure.

This erasure also works well on anything made of paper.

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#157 10 years ago

One of the most enjoyable threads I have read. Thank you for taking the time to put it all together.

#158 10 years ago
Quoted from Legacy:

One of the most enjoyable threads I have read. Thank you for taking the time to put it all together.

Thanks, Legacy. If I were really good, I'd wait until the entire game was done, then take the time to organize everything and present it in a more organized fashion. Seeing as that ain't going to happen, you're pretty much getting things in real time.

#159 10 years ago

wow thanks for sharing all the infos and knowledge.

just curious about the bottom of the head, no paint, will it be a good idea to seal the wood?
if so what do you suggest?

thanks again, love this thread!

#160 10 years ago
Quoted from Bryan_Kelly:

If I were really good, I'd wait until the entire game was done, then take the time to organize everything and present it in a more organized fashion. Seeing as that ain't going to happen, you're pretty much getting things in real time.

That's part of the fun though! Plus it helps hammer home how long this stuff takes.

#161 10 years ago

Fantastic thread and timely as I work on my own IJ. Wonderful wonderful tips from one of the masters.

Sam

#162 10 years ago
Quoted from beatmaster:

wow thanks for sharing all the infos and knowledge.
just curious about the bottom of the head, no paint, will it be a good idea to seal the wood?
if so what do you suggest?
thanks again, love this thread!

I leave the bottom as is. You can seal it with clear lacquer, if you'd like. I also do nothing with all the particle board surfaces.

#163 10 years ago

Screened the patent text this morning. I'll leave the head and base cabinets cure for a few days, but for now, it's on to other stupid shit.

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#164 10 years ago

Now it's on to the light board. If you want to do a quick cleaning, compressed air and a paint brush will get the back fairly clean and because of the white vinyl layer on the front, you can use Purple Power to clean that. Not much you can do with the black writing some dipshit put there.

In this case, the entire board will get redone. These two pics are what I'll use for reference pics to make sure everything goes back where it came. No need to tag or mark anything.

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#165 10 years ago

If you look at the front of the sockets, you'll notice they have "fingers" on them that allow them to be pushed in but they don't want to come back out. To remove them, simply grab them with a pliers and while pulling, twist them back and forth.

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#166 10 years ago

The rest is pretty simple. I'll sand the back with 220 grit and the front vinyl layer with 320. Then the front gets sprayed with semi-gloss white lacquer.

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#167 10 years ago

And of course, the socket harnesses get cleaned, rinsed and all the sockets get a BJ with compressed air.

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#168 10 years ago

Here's why I tape off the bottom before I spray.

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#169 10 years ago

Here's a little trick when pulling tape. Pull the tape back onto itself. The tape is less likely to pull unwanted things up when done this way.

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#170 10 years ago

Here's the look I strive for when doing the inside of the cabinet. The reason the cross brace is painted black is it had the white vinyl on the back side and looked like shit.

Too many times, however, the cabinet is going to have some excess overspray around the edges on the bottom. You can see a little of this in the back corners in the first pic, only what I'm talking about is way worse. Particle board is so pores and the paint has soaked so far in, it's damn near impossible to sand it all out.

What I do in a case like that is sand out as much as you can, tape off the entire bottom, spray the inside and once you've removed the tape and paper the following day, you can easily recreate the overspray with a rattle can.

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#171 10 years ago

WTF!! Looks like we gots some custom work right here.

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#172 10 years ago

Throughout the entire restoration process, you're going to find missing and incorrect fasteners and the like. It helps to have a "stash" of this kind of stuff, but if you don't, the best place to find what you need is your local hardware store. You can try the big box stores like Home Depot, but they won't have nearly the selection your hardware store will have.

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#173 10 years ago
Quoted from Bryan_Kelly:

WTF!! Looks like we gots some custom work right here.

Jeeez, think they cut a big enough opening for the first mode light?!?!? That's crazy

#174 10 years ago
Quoted from GaryMartin:

Jeeez, think they cut a big enough opening for the first mode light?!?!? That's crazy

You know where I go for odd ball stuff like this? Pinbits.com. Pam and Martin have some amazing things.

#175 10 years ago

I use a socket (as in a ratchet and socket set) to remove the lamp sockets from the backbox insert. Just lay it over the socket and gently tap it with a small hammer til the socket is pushed through.

I like your way too, though.

#176 10 years ago

I like that paint scraper. Never seen one like that, now I must have one.

I am enjoying watching the woodworking. I know a lot of people like new cabinets on everything, but I enjoy doing the work, so I like reworking originals.

#177 10 years ago
Quoted from johnwartjr:

I like that paint scraper. Never seen one like that, now I must have one.

I could show you all kinds of tools, John, but I don't want to bore people to death with this thread.

#178 10 years ago
Quoted from Bryan_Kelly:

I could show you all kinds of tools, John, but I don't want to bore people to death with this thread.

I am with john. I am very interested in what tools make the job the easiest and work well for this application.

#179 10 years ago

Been reading for awhile, great thread, wanted to say thanks for compiling all this info here.

Robert

#180 10 years ago

that inside cabinet look amazing.

waiting for moar

#181 10 years ago

Thanks for this awesome thread Bryan--killer work as usual.

#182 10 years ago
Quoted from Bryan_Kelly:

I could show you all kinds of tools, John, but I don't want to bore people to death with this thread.

Wut. Bore us? Post more tools! That's almost tiltable porn on this site, are you kidding?

#183 10 years ago

Bryan, Instead of painting the cabinet where the art work will be applied, I have been using several coats of polyurethane sanding between coats. It seems to do a great job sealing the wood and ends up with a surface as smooth as glass. Have you tried that, and if so do you think it is a good technique. Also, it appears that I have the same screen for the text as you do. How do you screen the patent text with the chocks on? I have to screen first then install the new chocks due to the size of the screen.
Steven

#184 10 years ago

I've never done a restoration like this one. I mean, I've done nice work to make my games presentable, but never to museum quality like you're doing. I really do have an IJ I planned to make nice so I think I'm going to follow along. What you're showing is absolutely incredible and I also Thank You for showing this incredible process.

#185 10 years ago

Bryan, Instead of painting the cabinet where the art work will be applied, I have been using several coats of polyurethane sanding between coats. It seems to do a great job sealing the wood and ends up with a surface as smooth as glass. Have you tried that, and if so do you think it is a good technique. Also, it appears that I have the same screen for the text as you do. How do you screen the patent text with the chocks on? I have to screen first then install the new chocks due to the size of the screen.
Steven

Steven, there's nothing wrong with the way you do it, but in my humble opinion, you're going a little farther than you have to. THE SURFACE YOU APPLY THE DECALS TO DOES NOT HAVE TO BE LIKE GLASS, but there's nothing wrong if it is. Here' what I do.

After sanding with 80 grit to remove glue and also after Bondo, I sand with 120 grit and finally 220 grit. For each of these steps, I'll go over each surface at least three times. With the final 220 grit, I'll go over everything at least four times. By the time I'm done, all that's left is the very, very minor wood grain. And I mean minor. Keep in mind, at this point, you'll never remove all the fine grain. While removing some, you'll simply develop more in other spots. It will never all go away. And as I said before, anything finer than 220 grit on bare wood is meaningless. I could go over it all with 320 grit but all I'm going to do is polish the wood instead of sand it.

Once primed, scuff sanded and painted, the first two pics show what my cabinet looks like. Needless to say, there's more sanding involved before artwork gets installed but that's coming up.

The next two show an extreme close up of an area that was Bondoed. The light scratches are from some scuff sanding I've already done. You'll notice the Bondoed area is "smooth as glass" and surrounding it are areas that show the fine grain I was talking about. Once the artwork is installed, you can look as close as you want to that same area and YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE BONDOED AREAS AND THE AREAS WITH THE WOOD GRAIN SHOWING!!

Again, nothing wrong with the way you're doing it, but it really isn't necessary.

As for the patent text, I use the one in the last picture, not the one on the larger screen. These were made by a friend of mine, Matt Merfeld. He used one of my restores as a guide an had these made such that you simply slide the screen up against the chock, screen and it locates it perfectly.

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#186 10 years ago
Quoted from awarner:

I've never done a restoration like this one. I mean, I've done nice work to make my games presentable, but never to museum quality like you're doing. I really do have an IJ I planned to make nice so I think I'm going to follow along. What you're showing is absolutely incredible and I also Thank You for showing this incredible process.

You are very welcome, Al. I should warn you though, you better be taking notes, cause I highly doubt I'll ever document things like this again!!

#187 10 years ago

Wut. Bore us? Post more tools! That's almost tiltable porn on this site, are you kidding?

You want tool pics? Here are some f'ing tool pics!!

Now if you have to go rub one off, you can tell your wife it was because of me!!

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#188 10 years ago
Quoted from Bryan_Kelly:

You want tool pics? Here are some f'ing tool pics!!
Now if you have to go rub one off, you can tell your wife it was because of me!!

Almost forgot the computer on wheels and TV so I can watch Ellen at 4:00.

#189 10 years ago

Almost forgot the computer on wheels and TV so I can watch Ellen at 4:00.

Well that didn't work worth shit now did it!!

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#190 10 years ago

So neat and organized. My workbench looks like a bomb went off.

Can't wait for the next update.

- Mike

#191 10 years ago
Quoted from Mtpacifico:

So neat and organized. My workbench looks like a bomb went off.
Can't wait for the next update.
- Mike

Some rate a man's "manliness" by the cylinder index. Go around your house and garage and count the number of cylinders you have in all your gas driven devices. I rate a man's "manliness" by the amount of pegboard he has in his house.

#192 10 years ago
Quoted from Bryan_Kelly:

Some rate a man's "manliness" by the cylinder index. Go around your house and garage and count the number of cylinders you have in all your gas driven devices. I rate a man's "manliness" by the amount of pegboard he has in his house.

Disaster... I'm a wee girly man.

#193 10 years ago
Quoted from Triumvirat73:

Disaster... I'm a wee girly man.

Dude, if you don't have cylinders OR pegboard, you're in deep shit!!

#194 10 years ago
Quoted from Bryan_Kelly:

Dude, if you don't have cylinders OR pegboard, you're in deep shit!!

I have MANY aluminum cylinders filled with refreshing lager. They are in my game room even. I guess I'm safe. Whew!!

#195 10 years ago

Now I'm going to get a little anal, no pun intended. Did you know there's a good side and bad side to a washer? Washers are simply stamped out of steel. The top side is the good side, the bottom side is the bad side. The top side will have a nice rounded edge and the bottom side will have a more sharp edge.

Tell me which is the good edge on this washer?

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#196 10 years ago
Quoted from Bryan_Kelly:

Now I'm going to get a little anal, no pun intended. Did you know there's a good side and bad side to a washer? Washers are simply stamped out of steel. The top side is the good side, the bottom side is the bad side. The top side will have a nice rounded edge and the bottom side will have a more sharp edge.
Tell me which is the good edge on this washer?

There is usually a more polished side that I always make sure is up and showing.
Loving your tips!

#197 10 years ago
Quoted from Bryan_Kelly:

...
Tell me which is the good edge on this washer?

on the left.

do i win something

but seriously, keep it up, love the thread!

#198 10 years ago
Quoted from Bryan_Kelly:

Some rate a man's "manliness" by the cylinder index. Go around your house and garage and count the number of cylinders you have in all your gas driven devices. I rate a man's "manliness" by the amount of pegboard he has in his house.

Not too long ago, I was figuring out what air stapler to get, and I found you stating you couldn't be a man without an air compressor, so I think that by your own word you need at least one cylinder, and then you can take the pegboard thing after that.

In which case, I'm actually doing pretty well

Kudos for doing this Bryan. You actually taught me something about how to clean the boards that I'll probably use. I have some weird obsession with keeping my cabinets original and craptacular but the insides great, so I'm curious to see if there is anything else you do differently than I in there...

#199 10 years ago

Here I've used a rubber mallet to install all the IDC sockets. I've got three different sized mallets and will show using them again. I also go over every IDC connection to make sure they're tight. Here are two different sizes. In fact, I go over every IDC connector to make sure things are tight, once everything is done. It's surprising how many have come loose from the connectors in the boards from plugging and unplugging.

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#200 10 years ago

And here's the final product, minus the f'ing LED's I have to put in. But if Bob wants LED's, Bob gets LED's.

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