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If you take PayPal for any purchase you may be in for big surprise.

By toddsvec

9 years ago


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    #14 9 years ago
     
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    180 days aka 6 months is ridiculous. I don't think I've ever seen a retailer use that as a return window. 30 days is pretty much the standard, some offer 45-60 days, and a few offer 90.

    Quoted from Chondro:

    stopped selling on ebay 2 years ago.
    Don't know why people continue to pay the crazy fees plus paypal fee, not worth it.
    kind of surprised Ebay hasn't gone under

    The only reason it's still around is because it was established early, and is a household brand. So, that means lots of eyeballs. But that also means ebay thinks it can ask whatever it wants for fees and users will simply put up with it.

    There are other auction sites around, but most people have never heard of them.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=ebay+alternatives

    I think it might be an interesting idea of pinside users can agree upon an alternative to flock to. That might be enough to nudge the pinball/arcade categories off of ebay to somewhere else more reasonable.

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    Quoted from asay:

    After the buyer complains, eBay automatically pulls the cash out of the sellers account and refunds it. Then the buyer get's to keep the item for free

    Pretty much.

    Not to mention that a buyer can claim that the item was counterfeit, which can also lead to the same result.

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    Quoted from Robotoes:

    So, what I'm getting here is that this is happening with high frequency, and ostensibly eBay/PayPal knows that it goes on? Been away from eBay for about 10 years, and have only recently reactivated my account.
    Are there articles out there about these scams?

    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/how-to-not-get-ripped-off-in-pinball-vids-guide

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    #24 9 years ago
     
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    OP
    Quoted from toddsvec:

    Actually, I'd love to hear some input from the Pinside group on that. Many probably know I run Big Daddy Enterprises, and PayPal is my only form of taking payment. Switching is not easy, whether it's to a credit card processor, taking pre payments by cash, check or money orders, or what? I've even had the thought of saying screw it, I'll retire and just work on selling games I have, cash only.

    Yep, it's hard to switch when paypal is the big kahuna of the payment processing industry for small business.

    I've seen https://www.2checkout.com/ used with a few (non-pinball) vendors I've done business with.

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    Quoted from vdojaq:

    It's time for Ebay to have a true competitor.

    ePin!

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    ForceFlow

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    Quoted from robin:

    Maybe it's time Pinside starts offering merchant services as a replacement for Ebay/Paypal?
    Specifically targeted to Pinsiders and only for pinball related items. We already have the market place, we could add a feedback/rep system for buyers as well as sellers who have made a transaction. Heck, we could even offer a payments escrow service (Pinside holding buyers money until confirmed arrival of parts/game) as a Pinsider suggested to me last week.
    The only thing that would worry me is getting in between disputes. But other than that, this would offer a nice way for the Pinball community to trade games and parts and also generate some income for Pinside by charging a small commission. What's the current Ebay fee? I'm sure we can beat that

    ebay.com link: sell
    https://www.paypal.com/webapps/mpp/paypal-fees

    eBay takes 10% up to a maximum of $250.
    Paypal takes $0.30 plus 2.9%.
    Sellers can basically expect 13% to be eaten up by fees.

    Being a mediator for transactions sounds good in theory, but can potentially put you in an awkward legal position if things go sideways. Not to mention international issues if the buyer, seller, and/or escrow service are located in different countries.

    [edit]: If you do decide to run with this (after checking with lawyers about potential issues), I might suggesting making it a separate site with its own LLC. That way, you should hopefully be able to isolate it from you and any other operations. Plus, if you choose to do so later, you could expand and start doing non-pinball stuff once the pinball community starts making good use of it. Then give fleabay a run for its money

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    #103 9 years ago
     
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    ForceFlow

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    And so the fall of ebay begins...

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    Quoted from johnwartjr:

    I doubt it. They've been doing stupid sh*t for years now. There are more people joining eBay than leaving, I'd guess.

    Yeah, the golden years of ebay are long gone. It's tough to find a bargain, and tough to sell because of the risk, scammers, fees, new policies, etc.

    I'm kind of rooting for the fall of ebay to let something else take its place.

    I still think it's a decent idea for the pinside community to find a new service to (unofficially) endorse over ebay.

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    Quoted from underlord:

    So no one owns it. Pynball is not a pin auction site at all? We have Mr. Pinball Classified, and it's a great site, but man, too many idiotic scams burning out sellers there.

    it looks like it was once a classifieds site, but no more.

    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/pynball-site-down

    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/why-dont-more-people-use-pynball#post-280971

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    ForceFlow

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    Quoted from starfighter:

    Is it possible to sell on Ebay without a description?
    I would think a "not as described" claim wouldn't go very far against a seller in that situation.

    Photos would count as describing the item.

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