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LOTR. And I barely play that one.
I’ve played MM a bunch and I must be a black sheep because I rarely enjoy that game. A lot of the “staple” WMS games have never really interested me.
If it was remake or original it would be original. It plays 100% different.
Fun factor between MM and LOTR, MM might win, but if I want to have fun playing pins I can go out. Every location seems to have an old Williams. When I’m home I want a brutal challenge that LOTR provides.
Lotr is better in a home environment.... mm didn't do much for me after a few months.
Many places I visit have MMr, so no reason to ever own one, and I find the callouts annoying.
The way the inner and outer orbit cross around with the diverter and up post on LotR are brilliant. The rules, theme, callouts from the movie, and theme integration are all top notch, making it a true great pin for all time.
I've had both since 2003 and MM even longer.
Both are awesome machines but your answer depends on what you want to do with it and who's going to be playing it.
LOTR is a players game, difficulty level is much higher, game times are longer, satisfaction level for an accomplishment is much higher also.
After all these years, I still havent gotten to Valinore yet. I have over 80 machines and always say, if I was stranded on an island (with power), I want my LOTR.
Now MM, fantastic game, easier to complete, King of the realm is hard, but I've been there many times. If you have kids and guests to please, MM is a better pin, if you want a tough challenge, LOTR.
And either one you choose, a color display really is awesome!!
Just my opinion.
This is a hard one..
LOTR for the epicness and super deep rules, if set up to not have way too long ball times: wide outlanes, nice and steep, etc.
MM is a lot more shallow but it's just a lot of fun no matter how good of a player you are.
I personally vote LOTR, but only if set up mean and very fast
MM never did it for me. It’s an OK game, but it just never clicked. Maybe it was built up on too high a pedestal before I played it for the first time. But it just isn’t fun to me. People say it’s just like AFM (one of my favorite games), but it is nothing like it.
I’ve owned LOTR twice so far for years at a time. And that game is spectacular. I only wish I had never owned it... so I could get another one and learn the game like it was new to me. I honestly think everyone should own one at some point. The only way to appreciate that game is in your house. It helped that I loved the theme, but the gameplay is really the big thing here. So much to do. Is it a longer playing game, yes, but it has to be to make it the quest it is.
I own both. Keeping one would be a opinion on preference of the style of gameplay desired.
Lotr is a great story based game. I don’t always have long ball times but when I do, it feels good to get deep into the rules. The music, call outs, modes etc make me love this game.
Mm - great game, but kind of shallow rules. Call outs are great, trying to get all shots in a multiballs can be challenging. Not super long ball times. Fun to bang around on.
If you want a casual game, mm. If you want a story/rule game lotr.
Lotr is gone in my house and mm is still here. The reason for that is medieval is just such a fun game. Judge for yourself on the rules, I think they are the perfect example of what most people need in a pinball. By that I mean everyone from the novice to the pro can enjoy and understand it and it's difficult to actually beat.
I will own an lotr again someday. For the money I'd pick lotr, but if money were no object mm is my highest rated pin (and pinsides too)
LOTR for sure. It only has long ball times...if you're good at pinball. And if you're good at pinball, then you probably prefer more things to complete/do with that skillset. And frankly, if time is a REAL factor when you're trying to play a game of pinball, then I would suggest doing something else with that time anyway. . I've had my LE for many years now, along with quite a few other games at this point, and always make time to play it. Additionally there are some really cool mods that can make the game appear fresh and even more immersive with the fantastic theme. Like eye of sauron upgrades and path of the dead mods etc.
I used to hate MM, but I can see why it's ok now. The thing I just despise is the trolls..... don't like them.
LOTR for the unintentional humor in all the callouts, and the game is pretty good too. Neither is a bad choice though. If I owned one I'd probably disable the trolls.
It's kind of like on STTNG where I'll play any mission that's lit but I avoid Battle Simulation like the plague.... just don't care for it. Don't mind shooting the gun for the multiball start, but the BS mode doesn't thrill me.
Quoted from slochar:
The thing I just despise is the trolls..... don't like them.
Can’t disagree on the Trolls...they are annoying. I guess they do their job well.
I find bash the Ballrog to be a little annoying as well. But that is only 3 hits. But it’s great during Multiball.
But I think great points on home use vs arcade/barcade and casual players. MM is more approachable/playable in that sense.
LOTR you are pulled into of the game, the progression, the challenge and the need to keep pursuing the ultimate goal.
One is like watching a single/couple comedy/enjoyable shows the other is like binge watching a series, taking a break and then coming back for more.
This is a question only you will be able to answer op. We can all give our perspective but your the one spending the cash. For me, LOTR became a chore and I found myself not wanting to hit that start button again. I knew I would never get to Valinor with the glass on. MM has lasted much longer and is more popular with guests as well.
Oooph, don’t make me choose.
Depth isn’t the be-all-end-all...but LOTR is the best deep game...cinematic, fun, and satisfying.
MM is pure pinball fun, and is the exact perfect combo of amazing toys, good flow & rules that gel with design perfectly.
I dunno, flip a coin.
We’re officially in a bizarre state of the hobby when someone says a Lyman Sheats masterpiece that was so sought after that it started the remake trend “lags in rules and code”. MM lags in nothing. Its exactly what it is meant to be, and is a prime example of what everyone making pinball should shoot for:
1. A great mechanical feature any player can enjoy.
2. Rules anyone can pick up quickly.
3. Nuance that seasoned players can discover & be challenged by.
4. Excellent choreography of lights, sound and gameplay that makes every shot & accomplishment satisfying.
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