Kinda a Stupid Poll, but I went to Expo to play these 3 games and maybe even make a decision there,
on my next pin for 2017.

We all know what happened with the games.

So in my fantasy world, what if all 3 games, nicely loaded, were $5995, out the Door?

Batman 66 Premium, Dialed in Standard or LE, and Aliens with color backbox LCD...keeping the backboxes relatively equal.

Now that they have been sliced and diced, and Batman video is up, which of the 3 would be coming home?

A vote is asked. more so than the debate why one is better, or better theme...Id love to ask for just a vote and move on
in the interest of good will to each other.

Why do I ask? Dont know, maybe just ultimate curiosity, as this was the position I hoped to be in at Expo,
as many others, perhaps, and now is finally the opportunity to begin.

Interesting voting after a few hours.

Leveling off the "Price" discussion certainly brings some different perspectives into light,
and I am grateful to hear them.

Thanks!

Its kinda been weird to think of selling 2 Great HUO Games, to get 1 New or HUO Pin from this lineup.

I think thats whats troubling me as well as space requirements.

At what point does everyone notably buy a game, play with it a while, and sell at say a 10% loss?
With higher prices and wealthier buyers, will this all work?

At $4-6K new, its not so bad compared to $8-$12K with taxes and shipping.

Will these games ever go so low used?

Good Point!

Thank you!

To you as well!

Im a little surprised by the voting.

While those that dont like Dialed in are very vocal about the theme and such,
it appears those voting have a great like for the game where it is in play right now.

Perhaps all the noise of "too expensive" is heard, but getting lost, and
Whether its a Spooky, Dutch, Homepin, Stern, JJP, or Heighway,
our esteemed and respected manufacturers can hear a little more in any way we can share.

If Pins are too high, and sell still...it will stay and continue that way.
If we feel, we'd be happy with a game like say, Iron Man, a lower cost to build, but brilliantly fun,
we might see more like this and lower costs.

Essentially, we all want the same thing, and $3995 may be a thing of the past.

But $5-$6k, IMO allows all markets to exist, and accurately supports the used market.
This doesnt mean there arent LE models, but I hope somehow, in the meeting rooms, the numbers
needed to keep the flow of buy a new game, sell the lowest used in your collection, will allow the correct
flow and quantity of games to be made and sold, with Operator growth, being the key to new blood.

Ive watched this pricing we are seeing hit me in my other business, and now it exists new, only for the Rich,
and for the rest, its the under $4K used or less.

At $8-10K, I just dont see these games expected to be routed for 2-3 years and dropping to 4K-5K....they will seemingly stay close to $7K plus, and still out of reach to the masses.

The "Flow" of new and used will change, and if it wasnt for Space, or the smaller, wealthier home market, problems turning numbers could happen.

But if at $8K-$10K produces fine sales...which it can with a Global audience with wealth....Im not sure if we will
see a comfortable range again.

My personal Hope is Homepin. Getting all the bugs out of parts, and sourcing all production overseas should allow a
fair priced game, or the opportunity for them to pick up boutique manufacturing.

With a Parts cost list, and a minimum run, boy oh boy, could we see some of the Brilliant ideas here on the board
come to life.

Just my 2 cents, and opinion.

Worth Mentioning that Aliens is almost even with Batman!
A great showing for Heighway!

I think that when this game gets released here in the US, and gets more people playing,
we will all be impressed as a sleeper hit!

Looking forward to this immensely, since playing at Expo, and wouldnt be surprised
to see this game being 2017 favorite!

Wow! Look at those Votes!

I hope Jack sees this!

My point was to create a poll, that shared first, a view and vote that might share the price points, we as customers would feel comfortable with.

I know the answer is "everything for $4K" but I personally believe, realistically, that $6K whether its labeled Pro, Premium, LE, etc.
Is the sweet spot in the market.

I feel its a target price, that allows both sides, manufactures, operators, pinheads, to expect a featured game, with a "gadget",
code, and fun!

It didnt matter to me who wins, leads, etc in the Poll....I was interested in pure numbers.

Some financial info has been shared in private, and the result of which was for me to see if I could get my view across, and this was my choice.

The Poll has been noticed by your favorite Pinball manufacturers, and its only purpose, is to find a positive way to express the view
of "prices too high", Rather than insults, and threats.

If you are reading this and havent voted, please do. It cant hurt, and it could help!

Shed be my date!

Yes, was an answer I received. The question was is it 5000 units made and sold, 7500? 10,000?

Like anything else, as the volume grows, the cost per unit would drop.

Im a Parrot here, so I respect that others would know more, and can share.

So sorry, Im not going to speculate on a Manufacturers whole balance sheet!

The point is, If a Premium Lists at $6995, as of a few days ago, and we know that distributors need to make profit,
and we believe that 10,000 units are not being made, a manufacturer themselves have said, "this works".
Im suggesting a 15% discount as an MSRP we would be happy with, as opposed to saying, "Its too expensive!" over and over.
They know we are saying this.

I am guessing, IMO, that if the volume increased, based on a discussion I had, could these games be offered at $5995?

I could be wrong, the people I spoke with could be wrong, I just cant share a balance sheet, but if Gross or Net Profit would be good enough realized at this price, based on volume, how would we, as the customers react.

The Poll gives some insight.

Nothing more.

Why Not?

None of the above!

I would like an Aliens, Maybe, but Id need to get some time in, and I need a bigger comfort zone for
parts and service in the future....so second hand likely here.

Same with Dialed in, second or third owner, but now Pirates is looking better!

I no longer have any effective income coming in, so its back to selling 2 for 1, and being frugal, as I was in the past.

I have been picking up and enjoying EMs right now.

Oh Yeah....too tough, too fast....its going to stay a while....just had a friend make some wood hand grips!

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