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If a $5k LOTR Vault is released before Hobbit, what will you get?


By YKpinballer

4 years ago



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“If a $5k LOTR VE released before the Hobbit, which would you get?”

  • Hobbit 64 votes
    24%
  • Lord of the Rings 183 votes
    69%
  • Both 20 votes
    7%

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#1 4 years ago

I have been super excited for The Hobbit since it's announcement, but have been lamenting the huge cost, which is keeping me out of the pre-order. But now finding out that LOTR Vault Edition is a likely Stern release around the same time, (slightly earlier if they're smart) it takes a weight off my shoulders. Damn, I can get a $5kish game instead!

I like LOTR better than The Hobbit as far as movies are concerned (although both are awesome), plus it has mature code and a VE will assure a lot more parts and troubleshooting support, LED lights and probably some alternative art. 5k for an 11 year old game seemed too much to me, but for a NIB of a great theme and #6 pin on the top 100? Seems like an awesome deal.

So is Stern about to hit one out of the park on this VE? Vote and comment, let me know your thoughts. Keep in mind - I would love Hobbit! But LOTR at a far lower price point is a good alternative, right? At least until Hobbit starts showing up on the used market with completed code?

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#2 4 years ago

This poll needs a "Neither"

#3 4 years ago

First of all - don't think about old vs. new...it means nothing in Pinball (and is one of the reasons I love this hobby). People are forking out 8K for MMR's right now (including me) and that game is over 18 years old!

I don't know...if you want a sure thing and a game that has been proven time and time again to be one of the best/deepest - then LOTR. If you want to buy something that's going to excite you for the next two years (as the code is updated...and updated...etc.) - I'd go with Hobbit.

Personally, I think the LOTR Trilogy is in another category of filmmaking than Hobbit. I just like the movies better. That's why I'd probably go LOTR VE.

#4 4 years ago

Where did you "find out" that a LOTR VE is a likely Stern release soon?

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#5 4 years ago

Just to clarify, my vote for LOTR requires remastered sound.

#6 4 years ago
Quoted from epthegeek:

This poll needs a "Neither"

I deliberately left it out because it's not useful information. Don't need an option just so people who don't care have a box to click...

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#7 4 years ago
Quoted from GreyhoundAggie:

Where did you "find out" that a LOTR VE is a likely Stern release soon?

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/anyone-else-hear-that-lotr-was-the-next-vault

Was reading the speculation in that thread. There is a lot of buzzing about it apparently. I'm not saying it's a guarantee, just seems likely.

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#8 4 years ago

No way stern sells one of the best pins ever made for 5k. I'd say 7k

#9 4 years ago

Ahh. Thanks. I would pop on one. I really like LOTR and love the super deep ruleset with long ball times.

#10 4 years ago

What did the IM VE go for? I would imagine a LOTR VE would go for similar

#11 4 years ago
Quoted from YKpinballer:

If a $5k LOTR Vault is released before Hobbit, what will you get?

Some great Pinside reading material

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#12 4 years ago

Why? Lord is a much more popular theme than ironman and better game too. Stern knows this.

#13 4 years ago

Why charge $7K when a decent used game is $4,500. IM was released at $4,800 (street price) when used games were $6,000.

Popularity isn't the only factor in what a game is worth. If anything, LOTR should be cheaper.

Quoted from kaneda:

Why? Lord is a much more popular theme than ironman and better game too. Stern knows this.

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#14 4 years ago

Stern also knows that Pros and Premiums can be made and sold. I bet they would do both if they ever did a VE.

#15 4 years ago

One thing for sure is if Gary Stern decides to rerun LOTR it will be from a demand and potential profit prospective only. This makes it unlikely it will be rerun.

#16 4 years ago

LOTR are selling HUO for 4500. Stern's new price will certainly be higher, so I just don't see it happening. Tron pro would make more sense since HUO goes from 5400 bone stock to 6500 modded to the hilt. At least the NIB price could (possibly) come below the used market. In either case they are still competing against the secondary market.

#17 4 years ago

I don't see how a 3rd run of LOTR is necessary. There's a ton of them out there if you want to buy one. Tron VE makes way more sense. Supply vs demand.

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#18 4 years ago
Quoted from bigdaddy07:

In either case they are still competing against the secondary market

I see it as competing against The Hobbit. I'm guessing Stern would rather people buy Stern machines than JJP. If they release LOTR at 5k, obviously the secondary market value would drop, which they don't care about.

They sold Metallica Pro at a good price when it first came off the line, and that was a brand new pin. Vault editions don't require the development process, so they can keep the price down.

#19 4 years ago

Neither !!!!!!

#20 4 years ago
Quoted from YKpinballer:

I see it as competing against The Hobbit. I'm guessing Stern would rather people buy Stern machines than JJP. If they release LOTR at 5k, obviously the secondary market value would drop, which they don't care about.

I don't think they really care that much about competing against the Hobbit. Besides, I think people that want a Hobbit are going to buy one regardless. The games are completely different aside from the similarity in the theme. I also don't see how they are going to release LOTR today for 5k.

#21 4 years ago

Something else

#22 4 years ago
Quoted from bigdaddy07:

I also don't see how they are going to release LOTR today for 5k

In 2013 pro models were being released at ~$4600 shipped to your door. LOTR is a pin that has already been developed and requires very little tweaking. Am I missing something here?

#23 4 years ago

They will be able to release it at that price or lower because they don't have to pay a designer or R & D costs, I think Metallica pro is a good example of comparison.

#24 4 years ago

Are so many people THAT new to the hobby? because you could get NIB LOTR LEs for around $5k just a few short years ago. And it was already established as a great game. Glad I have my LOTR, so not gonna buy a LOTR Vault too. Will give TH a close look. My sense is both will be great and complement each other nicely in a collection.

#25 4 years ago
Quoted from YKpinballer:

In 2013 pro models were being released at ~$4600 shipped to your door. LOTR is a pin that has already been developed and requires very little tweaking. Am I missing something here?

LOTR is a Whitestar game so it would require more than a little tweaking.

#26 4 years ago
Quoted from YKpinballer:

In 2013 pro models were being released at ~$4600 shipped to your door. LOTR is a pin that has already been developed and requires very little tweaking. Am I missing something here?

I dunno. I personally feel that LOTR is more comparable to premiums today than pros. They would need to strip down some of the toys, wireforms, ect to bring it down to a pro.

#27 4 years ago

A lot of us already have LOTR and look forward to placing TH beside it.

#28 4 years ago

If Stern announced LOTR VE with SAM and upgraded sound, decals (etc.) for $5K my check would be in the mail.

#30 4 years ago
Quoted from YKpinballer:

In 2013 pro models were being released at ~$4600 shipped to your door. LOTR is a pin that has already been developed and requires very little tweaking. Am I missing something here?

Yes. It's a Whitestar game. They're not going to do another run of Whitestar games. The SAM system is practically on its way out. It would have to be re-coded for SAM (or the new system) ...so, that's porting the game to a new system...that's more than "very little tweaking". Also, if it was re-coded for SAM, they'd likely have to remaster all of the audio.

Also, LOTR has far more going on than most Pro models. Releasing a game with "Premium" level features at a price point of their current Pro line won't make their current Pros look very good.

#31 4 years ago

Does Stern even still own the IP license for LOTR? Don't those things normally expire after a set period of time?

While I'd love to have a NIB LOTR, I don't think it would make sense to port it over from Whitestar to SAM. IMO they would have to at least upgrade a new VE to LEDs which means SAM or a in-line driver board (like LEDOCD).

#32 4 years ago

No way a LOTR with all the features will be available for 5k

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#33 4 years ago

Okay I'm really getting tired of this argument. LOTR is not a premium featured pin....it just isn't. Now maybe a VE edition would be.....after all, all you need to do is add some bling and give it the "premium" moniker and tack on $1500.

I owned LOTR for eight years. Great game. But besides more refined code it really doesn't have much on the likes of MET Pro or ST Pro (I own an ST now and my buddies have MET). What.....more wire? A shaky tower?

#34 4 years ago

I can understand the lure of NIB, but you would be better off getting an nice HUO for 4500 that you can sell later (if you choose for 4500). If they release a VE for 5k and collapse the used market, then if you decide to sell, its going to be for like 4k tops and your going to take at least a 1k shot in the ass for the NIB experience. Just saying, if your loaded and 1k doesn't matter, then cool. In my household, 1k is still something.

#35 4 years ago
Quoted from Astropin:

Okay I'm really getting tired of this argument. LOTR is not a premium featured pin....it just isn't. Now maybe a VE edition would be.....after all, all you need to do is add some bling and give it the "premium" moniker and tack on $1500.
I owned LOTR for eight years. Great game. But besides more refined code it really doesn't have much on the likes of MET Pro or ST Pro (I own an ST now and my buddies have MET). What.....more wire? A shaky tower?

true

#36 4 years ago
Quoted from Astropin:

Okay I'm really getting tired of this argument. LOTR is not a premium featured pin....it just isn't. Now maybe a VE edition would be.....after all, all you need to do is add some bling and give it the "premium" moniker and tack on $1500.
I owned LOTR for eight years. Great game. But besides more refined code it really doesn't have much on the likes of MET Pro or ST Pro (I own an ST now and my buddies have MET). What.....more wire? A shaky tower?

Gold ramps, metal sword ramp, gold wireforms, lots of coils for VUKs, locks, kickouts, towers, divertors, etc. Definitely higher BOM than the usual Pro.

#37 4 years ago
Quoted from Rarehero:

Also, if it was re-coded for SAM, they'd likely have to remaster all of the audio.

That's the main reason I love the idea, if they put out a new version of the game with metallic side decals and remastered audio I bet people would all of a sudden discover they had to have it.

#38 4 years ago
Quoted from Astropin:

I owned LOTR for eight years. Great game. But besides more refined code it really doesn't have much on the likes of MET Pro or ST Pro (I own an ST now and my buddies have MET). What.....more wire? A shaky tower?

Are you serious?
Passthrough ring
Magnet
upper playfield
2 metal ramps
wireforms
metal sword ball lock
3 vuks
divertor
2 towers
LED ring board

What does ST pro have?
Vengeance
third flipper.......

#39 4 years ago

I've ported many arcade games over to new hardware for a major redemption manufacture. It takes a couple to 4 days max...and I didn't design the hardware..or have any knowledge of the hardware design before it hit my desk.

I'm pretty sure porting the game over won't be that be of deal if they wanted too...

Quoted from Rarehero:

Yes. It's a Whitestar game. They're not going to do another run of Whitestar games. The SAM system is practically on its way out. It would have to be re-coded for SAM (or the new system) ...so, that's porting the game to a new system...that's more than "very little tweaking". Also, if it was re-coded for SAM, they'd likely have to remaster all of the audio.
Also, LOTR has far more going on than most Pro models. Releasing a game with "Premium" level features at a price point of their current Pro line won't make their current Pros look very good.

#40 4 years ago

I'd be tempted to sell my original and buy a VE, but it depends on the price difference and what they'll bring on top of the original. There's room for improvement, that could justify the price difference.
Of course no one (including noone) knows how the original prices will be affected by VE

#41 4 years ago

There are a lot of reponses that say it won't/can't happen. The question posed is "if it did, what would you do?" It sounds like a lot of the negative responses are because people think it's impossible. Or you don't care, but you had to jump into this thread just to tell everybody how much you don't care. Kind of just hoping people would stay on topic and address the question.

#42 4 years ago

I don't see how people can still say something is "impossible" with everything that's been going on.

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#43 4 years ago
Quoted from TimeBandit:

Just to clarify, my vote for LOTR requires remastered sound.

And a LCD screen!

#44 4 years ago
Quoted from YKpinballer:

There are a lot of reponses that say it won't/can't happen. The question posed is "if it did, what would you do?" It sounds like a lot of the negative responses are because people think it's impossible. Or you don't care, but you had to jump into this thread just to tell everybody how much you don't care. Kind of just hoping people would stay on topic and address the question.

Nah, it's just that VE speculation is never-ending and redundant and annoying. There are proabably 50 other threads exactly like this. If it happens it happens, if it doesn't it doesn't. Good news is, LOTR exists and you can buy/play one if you'd like.

To your original question...I don't think LOTR coming back would have any bearing on Hobbit sales. LOTR's been around since 2003. Hobbit is brand new. I don't think a re-run of LOTR would sway any sales from Hobbit.

#45 4 years ago
Quoted from pinballsmith:

I don't see how people can still say something is "impossible" with everything that's been going on.

The only time "impossible" was said was your post and the OPs last post. The others were just saying unlikely. Big difference.

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#46 4 years ago
Quoted from Rarehero:

To your original question...I don't think LOTR coming back would have any bearing on Hobbit sales. LOTR's been around since 2003. Hobbit is brand new. I don't think a re-run of LOTR would sway any sales from Hobbit

I would love an explanation how this is an answer to my original question

#47 4 years ago
Quoted from YKpinballer:

There are a lot of reponses that say it won't/can't happen. The question posed is "if it did, what would you do?" It sounds like a lot of the negative responses are because people think it's impossible. Or you don't care, but you had to jump into this thread just to tell everybody how much you don't care. Kind of just hoping people would stay on topic and address the question.

people said the same thing about Iron Man, it's most likely people who own the game, there are a lot of said people on here. More than Iron Man. I believe it's a no brainer.

If I was Stern and I wanted to sell as many games as possible at as much profit. I'd take my already developed hits such as PotC, SM, LOTR and remake them. Especially games such as these where used examples are in the $4400- $5500 range. Makes no sense to re-run a game like RBION or some other game with little demand.

Willy Sutton was a famous bank robber, they asked him why he robbed banks? He said "Because that's where the money is."

LOTR, is one of the true games which can sell a good number and I believe it will be remade.

#48 4 years ago

I'm in on LOTR vault if it happens. I can wait a year or until next vault announcement. In the previous thread, they mentioned increased availability of LOTR parts... which I guess was the same thing that happened to IMVE. So I'm hopeful.

Although the new Hobbit does come out tomorrow.....

#49 4 years ago
Quoted from YKpinballer:

I would love an explanation how this is an answer to my original question

You said LOTR could be an alternative to Hobbit. At the end of the day, the game will speak for itself. If you like one better than the other, you'll get that one. If there's no LOTR VE, LOTR still exists...so you can still choose between LOTR and Hobbit.

#50 4 years ago
Quoted from bigdaddy07:

The only time "impossible" was said was your post and the OPs last post. The others were just saying unlikely. Big difference.

Woah!!! Clam down, man. I didn't know I needed a bibliography attached referencing other pinside threads.

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