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Ideas for how to help boost location pinball?

By Whysnow

7 years ago


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    #14 7 years ago

    We have two locations that host monthly tournaments. I pulled the 2016 figures (as much as are out thus far at least; I had 12 points of data for Location 1 and 10 points for Location 2) on both. It may be interesting/useful.

    Location 1: $5 entry + coin drop. Payout to top 3 finishers. Waives $5 fee for first-time attendees. 10 machine bank. Average attendance of 19.75 players per month (low of 13 and a high of 24). The average attendance of non-rated players is 1.67 "newbies" per month.

    Location 2: $5 entry + coin drop. Payout to top half of the field. 7 machine bank. Average attendance of 20 players per month (low of 10 and a high of 31). The average attendance of non-rated players is 3.5 "newbies" per month.

    Cost barrier is very similar. Coin drop average is higher at Location 1 (most machines at $0.75/play) than Location 2 (most machines at $0.50/play) but cost per tournament is still pretty similar at both locations. Location 1 is a bar but it allows kids to come in and play. Location 2 is a restaurant (pizza joint). The two locations are about 20 minutes apart. Location 1's tournament has a reputation for being where the better players consistently attend.

    Anyway, looking over this, the average monthly attendance is very similar for both places. What's more telling is how many of those people are relatively new to competitive pinball. There's a significantly better pull on newbies for Location 2. And I think it's for a mix of reasons:

    1) When I word-of-mouth to someone, I recommend Location 2 more than Location 1 for a first tournament, because I think they'll find it less intimidating. From speaking to others I don't think I'm alone in doing that.
    2) Location 2's payout model means even not-so-great players have a chance of at least winning their entry fee back. I know I was pretty thrilled the first time I won back my entry fee, and I've done at least that well there multiple times. I've never won money at Location 1 by comparison.
    3) Location 2 is located in the same strip mall as another location with pins (bank of 7). So, if you wash out of the tourney and want to keep playing you can make the 30-second walk and do so there without waiting on the tournament to finish.

    I think reasons 1 and 2 have the most impact, but no numbers to back that up obviously.

    #32 7 years ago
    Quoted from Whysnow:

    We have only coin drop as entry fee. Curious if you think the $5 entry helps or hurts.

    Neither would be my guess, but if anything I'd lean hurts, because it's a cost and costs are turn-offs. But, it is a low cost. The thrill of winning cash is great, but unless you do something (such as our Location 2 and the top-half payouts) there's just not much chance of new players winning it. I think the regulars come for WPPRs. Oh, both locations do have a small trophy for whoever wins. So they might also come for the trophy, but I think the WPPRs are the main draw for regulars.

    Quoted from Whysnow:

    Any thoughts on how to get more noobies to come and stick it out?

    Encouragement more than anything. My first tournament I went to I was very nervous. I didn't know anybody, I'd not competed in ANY sort of tournament since the 1990s (and never had done so in pinball before), and got destroyed like you'd expect. But people made the effort to talk to me and I came back a couple months later. And it grew on me.

    So I try to talk to the new people, especially when I'm matched up with them. I'll even talk to them while I'm playing my turn, make jokes about all my bad shots, etc. Just my style I suppose. Now, when I actually get someone to come who hasn't before, I'm even more proactive (since they're my recruit). Stressing that the skills will come (I'm not a good player, but I can't deny I'm better than I was before I started competing), and to focus more on learning tricks/rules to the games, figuring out which ones are the most fun to play, and so forth.

    I guess I sort of treat it like just going on location to play for fun, but with the tournament to provide a sort of structure to the activity. Like a guided tour of sorts.

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