Yes - you should see a Faces game from Segasa

The main playfield on Elektra.

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I want a Elektra sooo bad

I have. I have played the game twice at Pinburgh unfortunately.

Enjoyed playing GOTG at FPF, but if you already have a Metallica, steer clear. Interesting that the premium model did not make it over. I assume it broke down. Reminds me of when GB premium was missing from the show floor for a day at SFGE at its introduction.

JPOTC was set loud on Saturday, but fine on Friday. Tons of callouts by Gibbs that helped sell the theme. The spinning wheel in the center is fun and does not cause drains since the rings are moving in opposite directions, it makes the ball zig-zag and continue in the same direction. The one SDTM I had was headed that way before it rolled over the spinning map. The ball went down the right inlanes frequently and I got in the groove of hitting it up the left ramp which feeds the left flipper and combo up the right ramp to the mini PF, rinse, repeat. The ramp shots were pretty wide. The screen in the apron was nice, but barely had time to look at it, since the game played fast with the steep ramps.

Also - Jpotc was set up in a sort of demo mode from IAAPA for non pinheads. You could not select a character, as soon as you touched a flipper, the ball auto launched with the character shown.

Incorrect.

Probably set that way to test errors in the code. Perfect way to get people to play all characters for QA feedback.

I was walking about filming everything. Yes the rules say don't video, but can't see how they can stop it, everyone was videoing and taking pictures!

i need more videos with more music and callouts noticeable!

Neal W... WTF?
None of this was true. I do not want to talk bad about a particular game but I can tell you there were no problems with GOTG.

JJP was having problems not a big deal because they are far away from going into production.

Need to be honest and unbiased in your opinions.

here is my video from IAAPA of POTC

GOTG played perfectly as did POTC, MMR and AFMR!

I thought that was for the headphones?

Why'd you buy it if launch games with proto code is something you're aware of and bothered by? Pros aren't limited. You could have waited.

Thanks for video guys, and please continue to provide feedback after playing the new titles this weekend!

Patience isn’t a Pinside virtue..

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Patience is the only way to "new pinball"....although in my case that's led to ZERO new pinball...which has made me much happier lol.

I said the premium was absent from FPF. = fact

I said that 'I assumed that was because it broke', and the next post stated that was not the case. = I made a guess and the next poster corrected me.

Was there something else I got wrong?

Nothing wrong with speculating as long as not presented as a fact. Alternative speculation is that they sent it back home to be used for the deadflip stream.

Yes wrong on assuming Premium GOTG was broken. Then made the comment if you have Metallica don't buy GOTG. ALL OF THAT IS WRONG.

Then you were praising JJPOTC for the rest of the post. JJPOTC had tons of problems. Cosmetically and Mechanicaly. I like JJP I'm in for alot of the LE's and the collectors but they had a ok Tuesday and then went way down hill from there. Today at Free play the game had to be fixed 5 times alone before they turned it off for good.

GOTG is light on code but other then that it is ready to ship. Customers will start getting there games next week. Your post was not a good depiction of the performance from both games. Seemed very one sided. Again I love JJP products and I'm sure the game will be kicking ass when it is time to ship. Great concept awesome innovation and beautiful cabinet. I'm not getting cold feet on my purchases. But we need to speak the truth to all others who were not there. Perhaps you had a different experience then alot of others did. I was not there when you were playing so not saying you are a liar. I guess the accusation of GOTG Premium was broken bothered me.

JJPPOTC worked fine Tuesday and Wednesday, you could pick characters, all mechs worked, no auto launch....
On Thursday it started auto launch, missing balls, switches not working and some mechs not working.

Don't forget TNA. I had no idea it was at FPF until I saw photos of it Saturday night in the TNA thread after the show. When I found it in the back corner on Sunday, the guy I was playing with said the exact same thing. Found it Sunday, because of the Pinside thread. Was it there the whole time??

I guess that it points out that with the volume turned down, I looks like such an 80s pin that it might get passed by. (can't believe I walked past it several times with the color change inserts and GI!!)

Played several 4 player games with a group and had fun chatting with others who were excited to play it as well. With 4 players battling for the lead, those dedicated digital displays are awesome. The outlanes were brutal when the ball was out of control, and I found the upper flipper very hard to master, or even nudge the ball over to. The game has a lot of 'one more play' appeal.

Understood. I didn't notice POTC down or turned off while I was present, aside from the problem with it detecting ball drains, which was annoying. Seemed like the flipper auto launch was just a setting that was turned on. Sounds like jjp will get some good info on weak points.

GOTG having a similar layout to the #7 rated pin is not a bad thing, but I feel home collectors do have to consider what pins compliment each other and which are too similar to put side by side. Don't get me wrong, GOTG pro was fun and challenging to play, and seems like the best Stern yet with their new TV screen display. I'm looking forward to trying it with callouts added.

WHAAAAAAAAAAT?

BS ALERT!!!!!

Come on man...That's not even remotely believable.

I played both of these pins when I was at IAAPA. Didn't really care for either of them, but I am not really into either theme.

Theme makes or breaks it for me, but JJP Pirates was pretty decent(wouldn't buy one, but would play it if I had the chance).

Let’s be nice to each other now

You only say that on Sunday Nights........

My FT has a flipper auto launch on/off setting. No idea if jjp has something like that for novice players.

You can call BS, but others in line made the EXACT same comment.

You are right. Who cares. Glad you could play the games. I'm sure everything will work by the time it is ready for delivery.

In System Settings, ability to set Auto Launch time, and ability to turn off.

LTG : )

Flipper launch is not a new thing in pinball. Many games have that feature, including Sterns, JJPs, and B/Ws. I'm baffled that someone with as much pinball exposure as ASOA would be so confused by that option. Also, there's a basic misunderstanding about the history of prototype vs. production machines with that guy. I guess if you shout loud enough people might think you know what you're talking about though, right? A distributor really should know better.

Anyway...

Did IAAPA or Free Play Florida release awards yet? Any awards raked in by Guardians, TNA, or Pirates?

Tried to be nice but I'm not going to sit back and not defend myself.
JJPOTC was not good at all Game was going haywire all the time not registering any shots getting stuck everywhere. Game had to be shut down for good because techs did not want to keep trying to fix it. It was deemed not fixable. It is still in a engineers state should not even had been on the floor due to this many problems. I know what auto plunge is. But it would auto plunge continusily until you turned off the game. What feature is that? Haywire mode? come on guys the game had tons of problems even in test the whole row of switches would show active for no reason. Balls got stuck everywhere. Optodes and switches not working. I was there so were many others we did not want to say this on Pinside but come on man. Defend them is fine I like JJP products but discredit me and my company. I will not sit back and do nothing. I was trying not to bash. But here you go the truth about JJPOTC @ IAAPA and FPF. Get your facts straight.

Played fine Tuesday at IAAPA
Wednesday intermittent problems
Thursday lots of problems
Friday lots of problems
Saturday Lots of problems
Sunday lots of problems and the game was turned off for good as of 3:30pm

ALL FACTS!!!!!!!

What else would you want pictures, videos, testimonials? I have them all. Listen it is what it is the game went to the shows and did not perform. I appreciate JJP sending us a work in progress title so we can see the game in real time. I'm sure all will be fixed before it is time to ship. But putting down people who are only telling the truth. Not Cool! I do admit I'm not the most knowledgeable person in pinball but I do know what I saw on countless occasions. and I do know what I was told by people that were in charge of working on the game. (Attempting fixes in front of me and everyone else) This is not the land of make believe this is real events. Actual fact. I'm still in on ALL of my orders of JJPOTC and even my own personal Collectors edition. No one should think any different of the game. Lots can change in the 5 or 6 months until it ships.

Trust me we all said the exact same thing they were working flawlessly at the reveal. and now this. Must have been a big mess up somewhere. Also we had no idea why only one standard was sent? This was very strange as well. Again not just me hundreds can say the exact same thing that I'm saying right now. Do not take my word for it. I think JJP is kicking themselves for not sending more then 1 standard. Perhaps it was only this one that had the issue. If there was another maybe things would have went differently.

There's two awesome pins coming out soon.....why is everyone so salty?

because sadly, a large percentage of the salty ones are distributors for only 1 of the games and they think by talking constant smack on the hype machine of Pinside that they will be able to sway public opinion and turn more sales of the game they are hawking.

Perfect point is being made in this thread where 1 guy that is a Stern seller/reseller has taken up the charge.

99% of my business is Amusement Operations I do not sell Stern or JJP products I'm a consumers of their products. I have all 3 JJP games in my personal collection. I'm currently in on 10 JJPOTC LE and 1 Collectors edition for myself. I have no hidden agenda here. I love stern and JJP and lets not forget about CGC. They are all fantastic companies and I proudly own and operate each of those Manufactures products. I have no bad feelings toward any of these companies. I love pinball and I'm fortunate enough to be in this hobby on both sides personal use and operations.

JJPOTC is a great game hit it out of the park. Proud to buy them and operate them. It just had a bad week. No big deal. I'm not a liar and I do not pick sides. Seems like the JJP cheerleaders are a little defensive about these real facts though. Please do not attempt to bad mouth me or my knowledge in this industry. I will defend my reputation and my business even if it sheds some light on some unpopular topics. I apologize if my comments has offended anyone and I do not want to discredit all of the hard work the good people at JJP are doing. I appreciate the great contribution they have done to the pinball industry.

I personally don't think you've said anything offensive, but that's just me. Although you are not a distributor, I think it would be helpful if actual distributors of pinball machines were required (honor system) to be marked in some manner so they could be identified in their postings. I personally don't know who is who. It's not that I think distributors are full of misinformation but there is a point to be made that there is a tendency to defend one's brand and pounce on the competitor.

I can Also confirm the above from personal experience.
Code Running was .11P
( in case anyone was wondering)

I too own all 3 JJP LE pins with POTC LE on order.

JJP will iron out the kinks as they always do, so there is nothing to really worry about.
I was happy to be able to play the game in any form at both Iaapa and Freeplay FL

(FWIW, The ball Autolaunch was 100% some sort of switch issue.)

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The balls "autolaunching" sounds like ball trough opto issues. Had the same thing happen on my Dialed in. Swapped in some brand new opto boards and it works fine.

Funny thing was, in trying to troubleshoot the issue, we also borrowed some known working boards from a Hobbit (same board), and they also failed in DI. Back into Hobbit, and they were working again. The tech and I wondered if it was a voltage management issue that was affecting some boards and not others.

Didn't read the whole thread but wanted to comment on game issues.
I saw no issues at Free Play Florida that made JJPOTC unplayable and didn't see it turned off.
GOTG was turned off at one point because ball was getting stuck in Groot's mouth. This was due to game being set up in a rush with back legs on front so angle was incorrect.

Read the whole thread.

I guess we were in some alternate universe where only me and 100 of my closest friends had the same experience. That's strange.

I have read the whole thread. I wasn't there so can't say one way or the other, and am not picking sides (I am merely quoting you as the last post in this string) but in the end does what happened at the shows really matter at this point? I personally am more interested in how the pins work and wear when they are actually shipped out and in homes and other locations, and if there are any problems how quickly the manufacturers address the issue. All this back and forth on what was or wasn't broken is exhausting to read (and I can only imagine exhausting to post). At some point we just have to agree to disagree and move on.

Agree...timing is everything......I played Both games, for a around a dozen games, Friday and Saturday with no issues......

Underside of game is a thing of Beauty !!
Glad to see Subways continuing to be in JJP games.
It will be interesting to see how they integrate the Camera on this one.

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At least they got all the control boards out of the base of the cabinet and into the head where they belong. Definitely a lot of unique node boards in this game, but does make for cleaner wiring. Why a camera? Sheesh, am I the only one that doesn't want cameras facing the player in my games? That would be the first thing I disable (or point permanently at a picture of a middle finger).

You can do some pretty cool things with a camera on a pinball machine if the code is there is there to pull it off. Thankfully JJP has some of the best programmers in pinball.

A cool idea in my opinion for camera use would be to create a wanted poster based on player pictures and then somehow tie them into multiplayer games (example, have to catch the other "pirate", the player). High scores could even have a players wanted poster next to it.

Not trying to be a dick but the very prominent "Jersey Jack" plaque has to come off when i get my pin