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IAAPA 2017 Stern Guardians of the Galaxy & JJP Pirates


By mnpinball

2 years ago



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#151 2 years ago
Quoted from waspinat0r:

So from your calculations are we looking at "buy" code or "wait and see" code?

Always wait and play first. Always. Only way to make an informed purchase.

#152 2 years ago

Just confirmed.
No color changing LED’s on Pro model pop caps.

#153 2 years ago
Quoted from Arcade:

Just confirmed.
No color changing LED’s on Pro model pop caps.

Thanks.

Stern should fire whomever is making their pamphlets.

#154 2 years ago
Quoted from Rarehero:

Always wait and play first. Always. Only way to make an informed purchase.

That's fair, but I guess I was just asking about the code altogether, not necessarily for my own buying purposes.

#155 2 years ago
Quoted from KingNine:

If you can’t view the one in our GCPC group here is a link to it saved on my personal page. If not maybe Flynn can get it up on YouTube again for me.
https://www.facebook.com/dmoncla/videos/10214321382970573/

Here it is on youtube

#156 2 years ago

Any noticeable ghosting or cabinet splitting? *Asking for a friend*

#157 2 years ago

Seems like Guardians is getting alot of love. Just curious, for those that are at the show and have played both GOTG and POTC, which game do you like the most?

#158 2 years ago
Quoted from TKDalumni:

Any noticeable ghosting or cabinet splitting? *Asking for a friend*

nope solid!

#159 2 years ago
Quoted from Who-Dey:

Seems like Guardians is getting alot of love. Just curious, for those that are at the show and have played both GOTG and POTC, which game do you like the most?

I'd say its hard to compare, POTC code is very very early. Both have limited call outs and music. POTC feels like some of the features aren't full baked yet.

Both are going to be great machines IMO.

Neil.

#160 2 years ago
Quoted from flynnibus:

Here it is on youtube
» YouTube video

Cool - good to hear Hooked on a Feeling added to the Game. If Fox on the Run makes it in also I'd be a happy camper.

#161 2 years ago
Quoted from Who-Dey:

Seems like Guardians is getting alot of love. Just curious, for those that are at the show and have played both GOTG and POTC, which game do you like the most?

Right now the winner is Guardians for us.
But the code on Pirates is way way early right now.
Even though Guardians is early as well it is more fun at the moment.

#166 2 years ago

GOTG I think will have more of a flow to it than POTC

#167 2 years ago
Quoted from waspinat0r:

That's fair, but I guess I was just asking about the code altogether, not necessarily for my own buying purposes.

From what I see in these videos, it’s definitely a wait and see what happens. I hear 0 call outs. Sound seems weak. RGB integration looks weak. Missing display clips. Choreography is off. Overall this thing looks very very beta. That said, I have this funny feeling this game is going to rock, but I’d definitely give it a few months to cook in the oven and see how it matures.

#168 2 years ago
Quoted from NeilMcRae:

GOTG I think will have more of a flow to it than POTC

Oh No! Youve said the magic word!
Time for the regular "Flow" Debate!
(I hope not)

#169 2 years ago

Pirates and Guardians are going to be very, very different games. People are naturally going to gravitate to one or the other, and in the end, it's going to be what type of game you prefer (fast combos vs. more targeted shooting).

Pirates has everything I want right now. It has tons of unique shots, new ideas, and new takes on existing ideas. It just looks so fresh. But that price...dang.

#170 2 years ago

GOTG premium ordered . January will not come soon enough!

#171 2 years ago

Seeing as this thread is all about GOTG and POTCJJP at IAAPA
here is my HD (720) GOTG PRO footage on a tripod from today...

I may do a POTC JJP video tomorrow, tbd...

#172 2 years ago
Quoted from HighProtein:

Seeing as this thread is all about GOTG and POTCJJP at IAAPA
here is my HD (720) GOTG PRO footage on a tripod from today...
» YouTube video
I may do a POTC JJP video tomorrow, tbd...

Nice video.

Seems like both ramps have a high chance of rejects.

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#173 2 years ago
Quoted from Arcade:

Right now the winner is Guardians for us.
But the code on Pirates is way way early right now.
Even though Guardians is early as well it is more fun at the moment.

That's surprising and not the answer that I was expecting. Do we need to start a new thread called "A dark night for JJP"?

#174 2 years ago
Quoted from Eskaybee:

From what I see in these videos, it’s definitely a wait and see what happens. I hear 0 call outs. Sound seems weak. RGB integration looks weak. Missing display clips. Choreography is off. Overall this thing looks very very beta. That said, I have this funny feeling this game is going to rock, but I’d definitely give it a few months to cook in the oven and see how it matures.

Another problem with buying an unfinished game is that the initial poor code state may ruin your ownership experience which no code updates will remedy.

Rob

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#175 2 years ago
Quoted from Rob_G:

Another problem with buying an unfinished game is that the initial poor code state may ruin your ownership experience which no code updates will remedy.
Rob

welcome to my star wars experience but then again i'm an idiot

NO ONE UPVOTE THIS OK

edit: dammit you're upvoting it

#176 2 years ago
Quoted from HighProtein:

Seeing as this thread is all about GOTG and POTCJJP at IAAPA
here is my HD (720) GOTG PRO footage on a tripod from today...
» YouTube video
I may do a POTC JJP video tomorrow, tbd...

I'd love to see a JPOTC video of this same angle. Thanks for posting. We trust you're not bogarting the machine with these 30 min videos?

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#177 2 years ago
Quoted from Rob_G:

Another problem with buying an unfinished game is that the initial poor code state may ruin your ownership experience which no code updates will remedy.
Rob

But JJP never has poor code?

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#178 2 years ago
Quoted from John_I:

But JJP never has poor code?

That’s what I’ve always been told. Now I am really confused.

#179 2 years ago
Quoted from John_I:

But JJP never has poor code?

Have they ever shipped a game with poor code?

#180 2 years ago
Quoted from epthegeek:

It's a standard part that fits in the mech. Pinballlife has them.
Details: https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/metallica-owners-thread/page/46#post-2277072

Thanks much for posting this ! 1st time heard about it & ordered!

#181 2 years ago
Quoted from Whysnow:

Have they ever shipped a game with poor code?

Shipping the first couple a year or more behind schedule may have helped get the software further along...

#182 2 years ago

Besides Stern, JJP and CGC, Valley-Dynamo is also present at IAAPA presenting 4 pitch and bat games in their booth (designed by the team of Dennis Nordman): 2 x All-Star Baseball and 2 x Zombie League All-Stars. Fun games!

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#183 2 years ago
Quoted from HighProtein:

Seeing as this thread is all about GOTG and POTCJJP at IAAPA
here is my HD (720) GOTG PRO footage on a tripod from today...
» YouTube video
I may do a POTC JJP video tomorrow, tbd...

Thanks for the video and the game really does look good. But, what the hell happened that Stern can't make a GI lamp socket work anymore?? The random flickering general illumination bulbs on their new games blows (note the right inlane on this game).

#184 2 years ago
Quoted from unigroove:

Besides Stern, JJP and CGC, Valley-Dynamo is also present at IAAPA presenting 4 pitch and bat games in their booth (designed by the team of Dennis Nordman): 2 x All-Star Baseball and 2 x Zombie League All-Stars. Fun games!

I've yet to check it out yet,
I should do a video of it.

#185 2 years ago
Quoted from pinghetto:

Thanks for the video and the game really does look good. But, what the hell happened that Stern can't make a GI lamp socket work anymore?? The random flickering general illumination bulbs on their new games blows (note the right inlane on this game).

Probably cheaped out and used wedge sockets again.....

#186 2 years ago
Quoted from NeilMcRae:

» YouTube video

Ghostbusters scream, lol

#187 2 years ago
Quoted from HighProtein:

Seeing as this thread is all about GOTG and POTCJJP at IAAPA
here is my HD (720) GOTG PRO footage on a tripod from today...
» YouTube video
I may do a POTC JJP video tomorrow, tbd...

Plays so much like met pro imo.... except the ramps have lots of rejections unlike met. I think the premium will be the way to go ...at least for me bc i own met pro. I hope the code ends up really good on the premium with the 3 color gi and rgb inserts...that will really set it apart from the pro and met....

#188 2 years ago
Quoted from bigd1979:

except the ramps have lots of rejections unlike met.

Yeah, I'd like to hear more about the ramp rejects from some of the people who played the game. Many shots which looked good from the viewing angle of the video still came back. It didn't look like it, but I wonder if the flipper strength was dialed back a bit on the floor games.

#189 2 years ago
Quoted from HighProtein:

Seeing as this thread is all about GOTG and POTCJJP at IAAPA
here is my HD (720) GOTG PRO footage on a tripod from today...
» YouTube video
I may do a POTC JJP video tomorrow, tbd...

YES PLEASE.

#190 2 years ago
Quoted from taz:

Yeah, I'd like to hear more about the ramp rejects from some of the people who played the game. Many shots which looked good from the viewing angle of the video still came back. It didn't look like it, but I wonder if the flipper strength was dialed back a bit on the floor games.

Which also begs the question, can the ramps be backhanded? I assume the orbits can be, but it won't be as fun without spinners on the pro.

Rob

#191 2 years ago

I didn’t think the ramps rejected bad at all. Both fed to a flipper most of the time. The post rejects are another thing lol.

I also agree with my brother “Arcade”. I was not nearly as impressed with JPOTC as I was hoping to be. Right now if I had the extra cash to get a JJP game I would get Dialed In. Maybe that will change after the code gets better.

#192 2 years ago
Quoted from NeilMcRae:

GOTG I think will have more of a flow to it than POTC

From the vids (thanks) seems to flow just like IM or MET.
Guardians as theme rocks, just wondering if it will differentiate itself enough.
Too early, but damn cherry bomb song is already stuck in my head!

#193 2 years ago
Quoted from Who-Dey:

Seems like Guardians is getting alot of love. Just curious, for those that are at the show and have played both GOTG and POTC, which game do you like the most?

Played both today- GOTG was way better & truly is a great looking game - obviously need more time to make a determination on the full game play once all rules implemented.

JJP POTC was still their prototype, but in my OWN HUMBLE OPINION was not as impressive as much as the hype that seemed to surround it on the reveal. Maybe that will get better upon production? Bit of a downer as I was looking forward to it!

Dialed in still looked and played great - it's a personal favorite of mine I hope to own one day.

#194 2 years ago
Quoted from KingNine:

I didn’t think the ramps rejected bad at all. Both fed to a flipper most of the time. The post rejects are another thing lol.
I also agree with my brother “Arcade”. I was not nearly as impressed with JPOTC as I was hoping to be. Right now if I had the extra cash to get a JJP game I would get Dialed In. Maybe that will change after the code gets better.

Quoted from thefoxxman:

Played both today- GOTG was way better & truly is a great looking game - obviously need more time to make a determination on the full game play once all rules implemented.
JJP POTC was still their prototype, but in my OWN HUMBLE OPINION was not as impressive as much as the hype that seemed to surround it on the reveal. Maybe that will get better upon production? Bit of a downer as I was looking forward to it!
Dialed in still looked and played great - it's a personal favorite of mine I hope to own one day.

Hard to beat the gameplay and fun factor of di... that's for sure. Crazy how many love the game now . I have a deposit on potcle but still not sure about the crazy rules and upper playfield.

#195 2 years ago

Let’s not not forget these games are going to ship pretty much 6 months apart, by which Stern will probably have had another game out.

Neil

#196 2 years ago
Quoted from NeilMcRae:

Let’s not not forget these games are going to ship pretty much 6 months apart, by which Stern will probably have had another game out.
Neil

And? ..... look how much more there is to potc on the playfield and code wise when done.....not even in the same boat. Not that means anything but sterm can pump out cookie cutterisk pins with standard code much easier than a newer/smaller company with much more complicated pins. I love all pinball but theres not much variation between stern pins anymore and once u own a few they all kinda feel the same over the past 3-4 years.

#197 2 years ago
Quoted from thefoxxman:

Played both today- GOTG was way better & truly is a great looking game - obviously need more time to make a determination on the full game play once all rules implemented.
JJP POTC was still their prototype, but in my OWN HUMBLE OPINION was not as impressive as much as the hype that seemed to surround it on the reveal. Maybe that will get better upon production? Bit of a downer as I was looking forward to it!
Dialed in still looked and played great - it's a personal favorite of mine I hope to own one day.

I wish JJP would stick to narrow body - it is hardly a shock their only narrow body seems to be their best pin.

As for GOTG , agree code is so early so it will be a long wait to see how this game pans out, although the code is very similar to AS.

I wonder now if Stern are only going to use Lyman on their SLE games? Kind of a USP to collectors? So, Elvira 3 more than likely will be the SLE game as seems Lyman has been working on the code.

#198 2 years ago
Quoted from bigd1979:

And? ..... look how much more there is to potc on the playfield and code wise when done.....not even in the same boat. Not that means anything but sterm can pump out cookie cutterisk pins with standard code much easier than a newer/smaller company with much more complicated pins. I love all pinball but theres not much variation between stern pins anymore and once u own a few they all kinda feel the same over the past 3-4 years.

Agreed. That was my impression of these videos on GOTG. Looks good, but shoots just like every other stern I've owned - how long will that last in a small collection? My personal dilemma is im working in a $10k budget for pinball next year and with the limited space I have, JPOTC is at the top of the list. I had DI on the list but don't like the linear nature that the rules are moving toward since this past update. But, if I stretch that budget by $1k more, I can get 2 stern pros like GOTG + SW. Hard to beat that - even though owning a stern right now isn't as appealing for reasons said; cookie cutter all too familiar tables.

People say it's a good time to be in the hobby now, but with all these NIB titles to choose from with NIB prices at an all time high, it actually kinda sucks in a weird way. I thought when supply outweighed demand, prices were supposed to stabailize and/or fall, not continue to get higher each release lol. $9500 JPOTC is a tough pill to swallow. But, I do trust in Keefer to bring a better, more last ability ruleset to the table than Lonnie/Stern.

I'm overstimulated with all the options honestly LOL. I just wished I lived 2 hours closer to Ayce Gogi, then I wouldn't have too worry about buying pinball's or even budgeting for one. Jealous for people who live close to high quality pinball locations, no need to own these high dollar machines if so to be honest.

#199 2 years ago
Quoted from waspinat0r:

Nice video.
Seems like both ramps have a high chance of rejects.

Moderate

#200 2 years ago
Quoted from taz:

Yeah, I'd like to hear more about the ramp rejects from some of the people who played the game. Many shots which looked good from the viewing angle of the video still came back. It didn't look like it, but I wonder if the flipper strength was dialed back a bit on the floor games.

An X factor is all Stern games at this show have all back leg levelers very low and close to the leg bottoms.

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