I was able to play a few stern's this weekend for the first time. SM, POTC, WOF, RBION to name a few and for sure SM, POTC and RBION felt and looked a little different as I was playing AFM, MM CFBL and AF. But I still found POTC and SM pretty good, SM more so. If they were the right price used I would snap them up. But as everyone says, glad they are around to keep up the business as no one else is. I too hope TF is another move in the upswing direction